Hunting Ban - A good thing or not

[BillyC]

Originally Posted by kevbuck

10,00 foxes a year are killed in london that will double.

I'd have thought this figure was a little low. Unbeknown to the majority of the public, Exterminators are engaged in contracts worth millions of pounds by Cities and Towns all over the country, specifically to remove foxes. Because of the political incorrectness, this is kept very very quiet! Not only because the exterminators themselves, don't want to be identified.

At the end of the day, hunting is cruel. Yes, I'm sorry, it is. But, that's life I'm afraid. Oh how sensitive we've become in our modern lives! Nature is cruel. Foxes are wild animals, and generally they're not cuddly little dogs. They hunt themselves, and the only way in history they've been kept at bay from livestock, is to know that they are hunted themselves - this is basic instinct!

Okay, so hunting is a little old fashioned, but at one time, it was an effective way of keeping foxes away from farms and communities where they would cause damage. I wonder how much the effect of dogs, horses and people leaving their scent over the countryside to deter the fox from invading other's territory, has been overlooked.

continues to stir

Originally Posted by jonboy

Next year the US military want to spend $275bn. This worries me. Fox hunting doesn't.


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I'm with this wise man.

Originally Posted by northwind

According to recent estimates, 9/10 of all foxes killed, are killed on the road... Hunting with hounds is a rubbish way of controlling fox numbers, it's incredibly inefficient. A mate of my dad's used to be head gamekeeper for a big highland estate, ran 2 commercial grouse moors, so he know a bit about fox damage... And he simply wouldn't allow the hunt on land he controlled- he found them disrespectful of property, and very damaging. Once he caught members of the local hunt cutting deer fences the week before a hunt to clear better paths for the chase...

So they shot them for pest control instead, 2 skilled men with rifles, and reckons they killed most with the first shot, almost all with the second. This is not a bleeding hearts animal rights guy, he made his livelihood from bloodsports...

Anyway. I'm basically against killing for fun, is all. There are many bigger problems in the world, but I don't see that that means we should ignore smaller ones.

And anyone who thinks it's a sliding slope to banning biking has lost it, frankly.

I like your comments, a good point made.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by Nutkins

Of course it will!!!

Give them the vote I say! Then once the right honourable Foxy Loxy is in parliment, he will represent the country and farmyard majority. I will then insist that he backs the bill to control animal flatulence as this is a major cause of global warming. Or, I'll go to the papers with incriminating photos of him with Henny Penny in his mouth.

Animals have a blatant disregard for the safety of humans and show no manners concerning their bodily functions. Many a time, whilst taking a pleasant stroll in the country, I've had a horse fart or deficate as I walk past it. Imagine the uproar, if a human was to do the same.

Also, I have seen the 'playful' dog who mounts the unsuspecting human's leg! I thought "see if he likes it", so I mounted that very dog in the same fashion and was promptly reported, and later, arrested for it.

It's alright this "Do-gooders" harping on about animal rights, but there seems to be one rule for them and another for us!

Gotta tell ya this.... i've missed your wit
nothing like off the wall nonsense to get me giggling.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Wrong, quite frankly. Let me explain why. You assume that the government is 'moral' (whatever that means) which is an obsurd suggestion.

No, not true! I make no assumptions on the morality of the government at all.

My point is that I form my opinion on the subject based on my moral view of it and not on other non-related issues.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by Cronos

My point is that I form my opinion on the subject based on my moral view of it and not on other non-related issues.

So you dont believe in the interconnectedness of all things?

Are you judging fox hunting from the side of the hunted or the hunter? And in judging, are you considering the implications for those whose jobs depend on this too?

Not having a go... just curious what makes up you"moral view" of this topic.

Morally its Ok to hunt for food isnt it?

Look at the examples of rabbits and cane toads in Australia which are having a devastating effect over there. People seem to be blaming those animals for the destruction, rather than the humans who introduced them there.

I have never been introduced to a rabbit or a cane toad ?.......
How rude!

But I am told that, cane toads.....if you lick em.... they taste like normal toads.

Sorry, I like foxes...(altogether now) but couldn't eat a whole one ! Boom Boom

Originally Posted by Cronos

No, not true! I make no assumptions on the morality of the government at all.

My point is that I form my opinion on the subject based on my moral view of it and not on other non-related issues.

I understand where you're coming from. You support the governments actions whatever their reasons because the result is something you approve of. What I'm saying is that this is an unwise standpoint. One day the government will deem a minority activity (like riding a bike) in which you participate unacceptable and attempt to ban it. Then everyone like yourself who cares little for the governments motivation but approves of the result will think it's a good idea, and yet another minority activity is outlawed.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

I understand where you're coming from. You support the governments actions whatever their reasons because the result is something you approve of. What I'm saying is that this is an unwise standpoint. One day the government will deem a minority activity (like riding a bike) in which you participate unacceptable and attempt to ban it. Then everyone like yourself who cares little for the governments motivation but approves of the result will think it's a good idea, and yet another minority activity is outlawed.

So you support tearing wild animals apart with dogs for fun because some day biking might be banned

When has any political party ever mentioned banning bikes? It'll never happen.

All thats banned is hunting with dogs. People can still ride horses over other peoples land, dress up in their jackets, enjoy the social aspect of it. They just need to more imaginative and adjust their hobby slightly to accomadate the new laws.

Originally Posted by kevbuck

I keep greyhounds and lurchers as pets these are the best dogs in the world friendly with people and kids but hate rabbits and cats. my wife is scared to death that the dog will kill something and will have to be put down.

Got to agree with you there Kev.
Our greyhound is so laid back, but if there's a cat in our garden its on his patch, and he turns into a killing machine. All of the local cats scarper as soon as they hear the back door open.