Smokin!

Originally Posted by northwind

Yup, I'm inclined to agree with that... But i don'tthink it's as clear-cut as either side would suggest. If you take away the need to think, then people will stop thinking it's true- but in this case, it's simply the case that a large number of people aren't acting reasonably, and so a laissez faire approach (which has been tried for years) just isn't working. I'd prefer if peope would always act reasonmably and responsibility, but the fact is there's always someone who doesn't.

Yeah probably true.

I'm just dismayed that yet again the government has resorted to an all out ban. A ban should be a very last resort when everything else has been tried and fails. Alas, they are so utterly witless they're throwing our liberty away once more to cover up for their own incompetance.

One in the eye for the smoking few, who think it's their god given "right" to smoke when and where they want with their "F#@k everybody else" attitude.

What MORE rights do non smokers have over smokers? Is a smoker a weirdo, a killer, a rapist etc? No, smokers have just as many rights as non smokers. FACT.

The one's whom smoke where they've been asked not to.

Disrespectfull. No time for them.

The one's who think it's the cool thing to do when socialising. There is nothing cool about having breath smelling like s#@t!

Says who? I dont think the users on here are between 10-18. I dont smoke, but if you read my previous comments, it explains. And ever heard of Chewing gum?

The one's who insist on lighting up in between courses in a restaurant, therefore removing any taste of their meal (although, I've heard smokers can't taste much).
I don't personnally know anyone who does this, everyone I know waits till after the meal?

The one's who, rather than blow their smoke in face of the person they're talking to, turn their head and blow it in your face instead.

In which case, say something. If your prepared to let someone blow smoke in your face and take it, then its your problem. If you are un-happy, say something.

The ones who forget there is a cancer-stick in their hand and wave it around like a magic wand, trying to turn you into cinders (Unlike Cinders, I've started off wearing nice clothes and ended up with holes in them).
Ummmm, well, only when rat arsed.... I've been known

But then how many drunks do you see fighting?

The ones who smoke around children and have the cheek to bleat about their rights.
No time for these people.

The ones who believe that smoking doesn't cause cancer.

Well, tobacoo has been round for hundreds of years? But now its only becoming an issue..

About 10 years ago, California passed a law stating it was illegal to smoke in public, even in your back garden. A work mate of mine flew into a rage, on reading about it in the paper. He then turned on every non-smoker he could find and ranted about his rights and the rights of other smokers. When I questioned him about the health implications, he retorted "I don't care about anyone else .... but I wouldn't smoke around my grand-children, nor my wife, who is also a heavy smoker". So, some human life is more important than others?

I saw people smoking there only last year?
And yes, to some people human life is more important. Would you consider that scumbag imergrant whos claiming your taxes more or less important TO YOU than your own children? Its all respective. No matter what you think, to everyone, they will have their own ways and rights and you cannot change that.

Taking away someones right to smoke should not be allowed. Why should some suits who don't have any clue to the real world be allowed to decided what I can or cannot do.......

tbh, the actual Ban doesn't bother me too much as im not a drinker, but im angry that my right has been taken away by some suits. But its ok for these people to have affairs, sleep with prostitues etc....

But THEY know whats best for ME????? Thats almost laughable....

[Stingo]

Because we live in a democracy where majority rules.

These are the same suits who presumably who have outlawed child pornography, uphold the law that murder is punishable by a lengthy prison sentence and so on. We all have to do things that we don't like, buying a TV licence or paying Road Tax etc but we have to get on with it because mostly, no amount of moaning is going to change things.

Perhaps with smokers smoking less, they may now be able to afford larger cars/bikes and therefore they will contribute more to the taxman by other cunningly hidden avenues.

Originally Posted by Stingo

Perhaps with smokers smoking less, they may now be able to afford larger cars/bikes and therefore they will contribute more to the taxman by other cunningly hidden avenues.

And create more pollution that is also bad for your health

[timwilky]

2 years ago I was in a local "Posh" restaurant to celebrate my wifes birthday. There was a party of 4 on an adjacent table eating their starters when we sat down. As our starters arrived a woman lit up, using a side plate as an ashtray. I asked her to please either stop or move out of the dining area. They laughed told me to feck off and she continued. They then ate their main courses and she lit up again as our main course arrived. At which point I got up and told her that she had ruined my meal and our night out.

One of the guys with her then threatened me outside. No problem. I then had to contend with my wife crying. A bullying prat, and a restaurant manager demanding I pay for food that was unedible and I had sent back as it was tainted.

Because a minority of smokers are anti social with their habits, the majority of them are tared with the same brush. When I started this thread I stated that I was an ex smoker. When I did smoke. I would never be as inconsiderate enough as to do it in a restaurant or in the company of non smokers. I have been on aircraft where passengers have attempted to smoke in the toilets.

As I initially said. I view the proposed legislation as unenforceable. It will end up as at the landlord discretion which is perhaps how it should have been in the first place. Lets face it, if 80% of your customers smoke, of course your going to let them.

Oh I agree in that sense that people may have more money in their pocket, but again, thats another excuse to raise taxes..... Economy....

Im not moaning (may seem it), but as said, it seems the internet is the only REAL place where topics can be discussed without consiquences.

Thing is, its not like other things, such as sayyyy, speeding or smoking majerana (?sp). These things, if you really want to, you can still do and get away with.

You simply cannot smoke in the pubs anymore, and that right being taken away is unfair. As you say, no amount of moaning or debating will change that....

Its more the fact the government are just allowed to do it........ Its like having big brother but for real. As if all the cameras etc everywhere isn't enough.

[Stingo]

Originally Posted by sharriso74

And create more pollution that is also bad for your health

There always has to be a downside!!

Electric motorbike anyone?? Windpowered perhaps...

Originally Posted by Stingo

There always has to be a downside!!

Electric motorbike anyone?? Windpowered perhaps...

After what I had to eat lastnight defo wind power this morning

Originally Posted by timwilky

2 years ago I was in a local "Posh" restaurant to celebrate my wifes birthday. There was a party of 4 on an adjacent table eating their starters when we sat down. As our starters arrived a woman lit up, using a side plate as an ashtray. I asked her to please either stop or move out of the dining area. They laughed told me to feck off and she continued. They then ate their main courses and she lit up again as our main course arrived. At which point I got up and told her that she had ruined my meal and our night out.

One of the guys with her then threatened me outside. No problem. I then had to contend with my wife crying. A bullying prat, and a restaurant manager demanding I pay for food that was unedible and I had sent back as it was tainted.

I'd have proceeded to "open a can of whoop ass" on them then, or simply grabbed the fags and stubbed them out on her top or something lol.

But thats my age mentality coming through

Originally Posted by Daimo

Says who? I dont think the users on here are between 10-18. I dont smoke, but if you read my previous comments, it explains. And ever heard of Chewing gum?

Firstly, I did say "the smoking few" and secondly, my comments weren't directed at anyone on the forum.

Originally Posted by Daimo

The one's who, rather than blow their smoke in face of the person they're talking to, turn their head and blow it in your face instead.

In which case, say something. If your prepared to let someone blow smoke in your face and take it, then its your problem. If you are un-happy, say something

Eh? It's not about letting someone do it, or telling them no to. I shouldn't have to say something! It's the fact, that some people have the lack of respect to do it in the first place.