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Can this thread be returned to its orginal topic please I think thats enough now

Originally Posted by philipMac

And by the way, lets chill a little with the personal attacks on Daimo.
We are above that sort of she'hite here.

Quite right, I apologise for the personal attack when really I should have made it more generalised and aimed at those who think its ok to openly deal on the street. Just my opinion and no-one else needs agree.

Okay so maybe I was a bit riled there. But let me tell you this. When the original drug dealer lived on our street there was nothing but trouble. Fights almost every w/end, my bike got pushed over and tyres slashed as they could not nick it. Almost every person on our street was affected. My girlfriend had her car driven into by teh dealer himself as he was wasted. This cost us £500 in excess but he was not charged with a thing (failing by police there so seperate issue). Neighbours had their cars/vans broken into, all night parties the works. And the guy had a 3 month old baby. Nice. Ever since that dealer moved it's been nice and quiet. Coincidence? I think not. I have no prob with a bit of weed in your own home, whatever. BUt don't expect to come down my street and do what you want and get away with it. I also take the same view on people who scream down our residential road at 40-50 mph in a car or on a bike. I'm sure you would feel the same if it was your street.

No mate. I completely agree.
Having any ignorant people on your street is a massive pain.

And, I dont like dudes all the time trying to sell me gear, an I got well stroppy with some lad a while back. (I start thinking I must look like a junky )

Originally Posted by philipMac

But, I think that it not terribley harmful. Yes, I have seen people a bit strung out after using lots of it. But, far fewer than Drink or smokes.

And, I think that to compare it to other drugs, ie Drink, and tobacco is completely reasonable. I think that it is considerabley less harmful than these guys.

But you also have to take into account the volume of the drug required to have an adverse reaction.

It is quite feasible for a small volume of cannabis to induce a paranoia that would take far more alcohol and a hell of a lot of cigarettes to induce the same result. Which makes it a fundamental misconception that it is less harmful.

Biker Biggles, I assume you were aiming the intolerance comment at me as much as anyone. Taking drugs is something I fundamentally disagree with. I do not want stoned teenagers hanging out where I live. I do not want the scumbags that peddle the drugs anywhere near my home.

The people who supply soft drugs do not usually confine themselves to those only. You are deluded if you think these people will not deal hard drugs to school children. These people will generally sell anything to anyone. If intolerance means pushing these people out and away from that activity then I for one am glad to be intolerant.

Drugs money funds other criminal activities too. For those who can't see that beyond your next spliff and think this is about intolerance you are very misguided. I do not want to live in an area where there are needles about, burglaries are rife as addicts try to fund their addiction.

Others say legalise it. But we all know alcohol, tobacco, cannabis and every other drug has long term health implications. In fact it's been conveniently forgotten so far in this thread that tobacco is becoming increasingly outlawed for these reasons rather than accepted. To legalise something now, with the knowledge of the health impacts would open the government up to lawsuits from those who become addicted. While you think that may not apply to you, you forget there are people out there that will be and will suffer for it.

At the end of the day, the law is the law. Drugs and possession is a criminal offence. I have never hidden the fact I work for Customs, so why are you so surprised when I take exception to the fact someone happily brags about being in possession of substances which my department is actively attempting to prohibit the importation of?

Lynw...With respect most people can "step out" of what their ocupation is during their relaxation time,if they did not the world would be full of ever more stressed out people and a greater world of intolerance due to a "by the book" culture.

Discretion,tolerance and consideration of others are my key words in this discussion.

*All of the above might be completely ignored by all intelligent persons.*

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Even I'm shocked by some of the intolerant attitudes shown on this thread.It underlines the reasons why I would like to emigrate to somewhere with a slightly more laid back atmosphere.

Jamaica..well laid back and weed grows wild..like going out on a sunday afternoon on a PYO strawberry jaunt...only more chilled

Coming back to the original point, I'd report it straight away.

This may have been weed, but if these guys are driving round delivering weed they are definitely driving round delivering harder stuff as well. They won't care whether it's kids, and won't be fussed where the money's coming from, as long as it keeps coming. The money paying for the harder stuff will mainly be coming from crime. Mostly petty theft but no theft's petty to the victims.

If no one reports drug dealing on the streets it'll get more and more blatant. It'll also bring in gangs who'll be more organised and much more violent.

Take a stand before they take the ****.

Originally Posted by lynw

But you also have to take into account the volume of the drug required to have an adverse reaction.

It is quite feasible for a small volume of cannabis to induce a paranoia that would take far more alcohol and a hell of a lot of cigarettes to induce the same result. Which makes it a fundamental misconception that it is less harmful.

hmm. Ok, so, I hear what you are saying. But, I would sugest that these instances of very strong reactions are more generally associated with nasty additives, or resulting from wierd growing conditions. By and large, this doesnt happen. If alcohol was made in similar conditions, I think you see similar outcomes.

I think that it is fine to restrict smoking tobaco to your house. I think weed should be under the same restrictions. It should also undergo quality control. And be taxed.

I am not sugesting it is not harmful. It is. But, if you want to do it, grand, off you go, smoke whatever you like, away from me. Your choice. Dont force me to smoke it. Dont force the people you work with to smoke it. But, its your choice.
You want to drink, your choice. You increase the likely hood of cancer .
But, now you cannot drive for a few hours. My choice. It has an impact on me now.

Oh yeah, and the dealer guys. Scumbags probably. Dont like them. Dont want them around. But, these people are generated from the law. If you have that law, you have dealers. If you dont, you dont.

Originally Posted by philipMac

Oh yeah, and the dealer guys. Scumbags probably. Dont like them. Dont want them around. But, these people are generated from the law. If you have that law, you have dealers. If you dont, you dont.

This reminds me of a fast show (or was it Harry Enfield? can't remember. anyway...) sketch with Dutch police sitting in a car.

"Hello! Here in Holland we're had trouble with burglary, so to solve this crime spree we've decided to make burglary legal."