Turning, cornering, bends etc

Not sure about that......If YOU just lean one way, the bike will lean the other to maintain the centre of gravity, and anyway the gyroscopic forces keeping the bike upright will overwhelm your attempts to lean the bike by transfering weight. You try leaning the bike without moving the handlebars! you go one way the bike goes the other!

Originally Posted by skidmarx

Not sure about that......If YOU just lean one way, the bike will lean the other to maintain the centre of gravity, and anyway the gyroscopic forces keeping the bike upright will overwhelm your attempts to lean the bike by transfering weight. You try leaning the bike without moving the handlebars! you go one way the bike goes the other!

Rubbish. Try riding no handed - you can steer by moving your weight in the direction you want to go.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Rubbish. Try riding no handed - you can steer by moving your weight in the direction you want to go.

But which way do the bars go when you ride no handed? It's still counter steering.

If you dont like the idea of pushing the left bar to go left, pull the right bar instead :P

[Viney]

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Er, no, if you're going into a left hand bend you push on the left hand bar.

It's called counter steering because you're turning the wheel to point in the opposite direction to that which you're turning.

Ah, thats what i thought, thank you. So you are tyring to make the bike understeer.

[Viney]

Originally Posted by Jelster

The laws of physics say that if you ride a bike in a straight line then move the mass to the left, that bike will natually lean to the left, thus turn to the left. Counter steering just makes it happen more easily.


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HOW?? Bike wants to fall to the left so you make it go straight on?? Im not saying that it doesnt work, and like you Jellyman, i suppose it jaust happens on the bike, but the theory just doesnt hold right in my head. Doing something opposite to what the bike is naturally trying to do just seems plain wierd.

I have tried riding without my hands on the handlebars and turning, it's very hard and leaning one way or the other doesn't really do much, I tend to go straight on.

Originally Posted by Viney

HOW?? Bike wants to fall to the left so you make it go straight on?? Im not saying that it doesnt work, and like you Jellyman, i suppose it jaust happens on the bike, but the theory just doesnt hold right in my head. Doing something opposite to what the bike is naturally trying to do just seems plain wierd.

That's the point though, counter-steering ISNT doing something opposite to what the bike is trying to do

Well said Jordan. The very name would perhaps make one think otherwise though wouldn't it?

Originally Posted by Sid Squid & Fizzwheel

A lot of helpful info

Thanks chaps, this is very useful.

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

Well said Jordan. The very name would perhaps make one think otherwise though wouldn't it?

No!

It's counter intuative, not counter to the laws of physics. Obviously, because it wouldnt work otherwise