Another reason for All The Gear All The Time

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Davido

They deserve everything they got. Look at the guy on the nina's first attempt. N00B.

Yes but everybody has to learn sometimes

You don't have to learn at all. But if you've got a ninja, you have no excuse!

Look at the comments on the link, he gets pretty defensive when someone point out that he should have worn gear. I'll admit I don't wear all mine 100% of the time, but if I'm going out to play silly buggers, then I'll make sure the whole kit is out.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Davido

he gets pretty defensive when someone point out that he should have worn gear.

I've not met many people who take critiscm well. Most people when faced with strangers from the internet who they have never met having a pop at them tend to go on the defensive.

He's probably feeling stupid enough ( and rightly so IMHO ) without having it rammed down his face by strangers he's never met.

I still stand by what I said earlier. He chose not wear gear. He might be a muppet but I'll stick up for his right to choose to be one.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

He might be a muppet but I'll stick up for his right to choose to be one.

That's what I should have said in the beginning.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by BigApe

That's what I should have said in the beginning.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Personal choice.

Do you really want Government Legislation into what we can or cannot wear. Price of everyting will go through the roof. No more race rep lids. No nothing.

Standard Colours standard designs. Thats all we'll be allowed to have.

Personal choice allows me to wear and purchase the best gear I can afford. Therefore I exercise my right to do so at my own cost.

I dont want the Government telling me what I can and can't do its bad enough already.

I agree with your sentiments in theory Fizz.

However I'd rather people spent a little bit on proper gear than me forking out my taxes for their hospital treatment.

ie. No harm in a law to the effect of gear (boots, gloves, suit/jacket&jeans) must pass ec standards. As is the case with helmets. Anyone found not wearing proper gear can goand pay for private care.

Being off public roads makes no difference, you'd still go to get treatment and it still costs us.

I'm saying all this because I caught my mate on Tuesday riding about town in a t-shirt and his reply was "I've only got that on coz i don't want a bee or stonechip in the chest."

Originally Posted by haggis

I agree with your sentiments in theory Fizz.

However I'd rather people spent a little bit on proper gear than me forking out my taxes for their hospital treatment.

ie. No harm in a law to the effect of gear (boots, gloves, suit/jacket&jeans) must pass ec standards. As is the case with helmets. Anyone found not wearing proper gear can goand pay for private care.

Being off public roads makes no difference, you'd still go to get treatment and it still costs us.

I'm saying all this because I caught my mate on Tuesday riding about town in a t-shirt and his reply was "I've only got that on coz i don't want a bee or stonechip in the chest."

Oh dear, the other threads hadnt got to open this can of worms.

The ultimate extension of this argument is for non-bikers who are the majority to say we object to paying our taxes to care for ALL bikers who come off their bikes and get injured. And given they are the majority of tax payers we would lose this one. So by saying people who dont wear gear should pay for their medical treatment is the same as a non-biker saying we all should because we make a choice to do something that has an inherent risk. It would extend to smoking, to drinking, to absolutely everything that has any risk once you start.

Also bear in mind some of the shorts/t shirt brigade may be on the upper tax bracket and actually paid more tax than you in the first place.

Ive discussed before how futile setting standards for all gear is. Especially in regard to how it would be enforced - because it is ultimately unenforceable. And the fact is forcing a standard would price out starters with little money or people who are just about able to afford a bike.

Originally Posted by lynw

Oh dear, the other threads hadnt got to open this can of worms.

The ultimate extension of this argument is for non-bikers who are the majority to say we object to paying our taxes to care for ALL bikers who come off their bikes and get injured. And given they are the majority of tax payers we would lose this one. So by saying people who dont wear gear should pay for their medical treatment is the same as a non-biker saying we all should because we make a choice to do something that has an inherent risk. It would extend to smoking, to drinking, to absolutely everything that has any risk once you start.

Also bear in mind some of the shorts/t shirt brigade may be on the upper tax bracket and actually paid more tax than you in the first place.

You know what Lyn. We missed you when you went on walkabout for a while.

I think once again the gent in question being American,will have his own personal insurance to cover his treatment.

Haggis..I understand where your coming from but it is a very dangerous line to follow. Hell the progression of that is to see motorcycles banned completely as,(without stats to verify) I would imagine motorcyclists whether suited and booted or not, register very high on the charts for those receiving A and E and even more involved treatment. At some considerable cost to the NH service.

Originally Posted by falc

Ouch, what an idiot, deserved what he got

dont think he deserved it, he took a chance and well, unlucky! we all know the consequenses of riding without gear but you dont deserve that sort of pain unless you're a kiddie fiddler or a nasty piece of ****. this attitude ****es me off, who desrerves to be hurt because theyre not wearing the right gear? i always ride wearing full gear but i dont judge others as we're all big and ugly enough to realise the consequences of our actions and live with that decision. the ONLY person to suffer is the person who makes that choice!