Two men removed from Monarch Flight

Originally Posted by Jools'SV Now

The two men in question have been interviewed on the news.

Thanks for pointing that out.. Fair play to them that they arent ****ed off - I would be seriously annoyed with the small mindedness of the people on that flight.

Originally Posted by BBC News

"The minute they got on [the plane] they started going under the seats and messing.

yeah cos no-ones ever read the safety instructions and looked for the inflatable vest under the seat have they? Or played around trying to adjust the seat.

Originally Posted by BBC News

She said: "They queued up for a good 40 or 50 minutes and then wandered off. They kept coming back, standing very, very close to people, intimidating them.

FFS the woman has never queued at Stansted then. If you were in an hour long queue wouldnt you wander off with boredom if someone else was there to hold your place?

Originally Posted by BBC News

"When people began to take notice - and one young girl was really upset, crying - they just sat there laughing."

hmmmm maybe they thought she was crying over something else and oblivious to what people were thinking they were two mates enjoying a joke?

Fantastic. Can I lay odds the woman who said this stuff is blonde?

Damn, can we have the visordown dozey smiley installed. None of the ones available convey the level of doziness of the people on this flight.

Why dont we just implement an apartheid system now? Whites only flights, muslim only flights.

White is a race. Islam is a religion.

We run the risk of alienating more young muslims by the hysterical reactions and the treatment they receive - if anyone is pushing them towards fundamentalism and becoming the threat British people are terrified of it is the British people themselves. We reap what we sow - we treat people like this, so why should we be surprised when they become influenced by hate clerics.

That's right it's everyone elses fault. Mine included. How dare we be worried that people living in our own countries might want to kill us. How dare we value our lives over political correctness. If I'm ever on a plane and see someone who I think is suspicious, I'll sit back and ignore them and if they end up flying the plane straight into a building, well I'll die with a smile on my face knowing I didn't alienate any young Muslims.

Ulster wrote:

How dare we be worried that people living in our own countries might want to kill us.

Coming from a place with a back ground as you do,I really expected you to offer a lot more on that particular point mate.

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

Ulster wrote:

Coming from a place with a back ground as you do,I really expected you to offer a lot more on that particular point mate.

I said "worried" Peter, not "scared."

Ulster....Fair comment fella, very fair comment.

Originally Posted by UlsterSV

White is a race. Islam is a religion.

You know full well the point I was making, if you cant do anything but pick holes in how I phrase something, why bother replying? Its not like youre making a constructive contribution by doing so is it?

That's right it's everyone elses fault. Mine included. How dare we be worried that people living in our own countries might want to kill us. How dare we value our lives over political correctness. If I'm ever on a plane and see someone who I think is suspicious, I'll sit back and ignore them and if they end up flying the plane straight into a building, well I'll die with a smile on my face knowing I didn't alienate any young Muslims.

And another constructive post from you. Quite simply, if people over react [which is what is happening] and alienate muslims the problem is going to get worse. It is going to push more into doing these things. How hard is that to understand? Surely the answer is to NOT give them reason to?

Oh and precisely where did I say that we dont have a right to be worried? Where exactly did I say that we shouldnt act if we think something is suspicious?

Do you ever read anything I post without adding imaginary bits in?

My point is the fact people are not acting on suspicious behaviour but treating race [as in asian] and religion [as in muslim] as automatically suspicious. This is nothing more than hysteria which allows people to vent their racist views. I did wonder when youd post defending people holding those views.

You know full well the point I was making

By leaving out other races you were implying the blue eyed devil is the main aggressor/opposer of Islam.

Quite simply, if people over react [which is what is happening] and alienate muslims the problem is going to get worse. It is going to push more into doing these things.

You seem to be working off the basis that certain Muslims feel the way they do because there is some sort of active resistance Britons carry out towards them. That we aren't accomodating enough. Well Lyn the only way you'll accomodate them is if you catch the next boat/ship/plane to as far away as possible and leave Britain to them.

Where exactly did I say that we shouldnt act if we think something is suspicious?

You were quick to condemn the people on that plane who acted when they saw something suspicious.

This is nothing more than hysteria which allows people to vent their racist views.

Fact is the bombers of 7/7 were not white and were Muslim. Obviously not all non white Muslims are bombers, but all the bombers were non white Muslims. Therefore people are entirely entitled to be concerned. But nice try on attempting to label them as racist. Something I've seen you do quite often on here. Keep going and one day you might get the stigma to stick.

Originally Posted by UlsterSV

By leaving out other races you were implying the blue eyed devil is the main aggressor/opposer of Islam.

No I wasnt. FFS, do I have to write a 26 page post to cover every single race/religion to satisfy your pickiness? Youre just being picky over words and ignoring the point I was making that this will sadly lead us to a form of apartheid which will do us no good in the long run.

You seem to be working off the basis that certain Muslims feel the way they do because there is some sort of active resistance Britons carry out towards them. That we aren't accomodating enough. Well Lyn the only way you'll accomodate them is if you catch the next boat/ship/plane to as far away as possible and leave Britain to them.

Your comment above seems to suggest that racism doesnt exist. That they have no reason to feel aggrieved. Yet it does. And hysteria where we turn travelling while being Asian into a suspicious activity is not going to do anything but alienate more muslims and listen to those who argue for fighting back.

Im not saying we arent accomodating enough. What I am saying is this hysteria does more damage than good. That by labelling asian/muslims as terrorists you are going to anger some enough to push them down that road. Im not saying we become more accomodating merely that we dont become less so.

You were quick to condemn the people on that plane who acted when they saw something suspicious.

Funnily enough, being asian, looking at watches in an airport, looking under your seat where a life vest is kept and having a laugh with your mate dont add up to suspicious to me. However to people on the plane it seems being asian is now equating to being suspicious. I believe the motive behind this was unadulterated racism. They were not found with anything on them. Their actions are all reasonably explained if you are rational enough to view them.

Fact is the bombers of 7/7 were not white and were Muslim. Obviously not all non white Muslims are bombers, but all the bombers were non white Muslims. Therefore people are entirely entitled to be concerned. But nice try on attempting to label them as racist. Something I've seen you do quite often on here. Keep going and one day you might get the stigma to stick.

But what this ultimately boils down to is this. Had the same behaviour been demonstrated by white males, no-one would have batted an eyelid. Because it was asian men, its an instant panic, we're all going to die hysteria. That is racism in its simplest form. Because no-ones thinking rationally about this. What is going to happen when one bomber is a white muslim?

Funnily enough, being asian, looking at watches in an airport, looking under your seat where a life vest is kept and having a laugh with your mate dont add up to suspicious to me.

Doesn't matter whether you regard these things as suspicious or not. You weren't on the plane.

I believe the motive behind this was unadulterated racism.

So I take it the shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes was the secret services indulging in a bit of unadulterated anti - Latin American racism?

Their actions are all reasonably explained if you are rational enough to view them.

Yes they are when you're sitting thinking about it in the safety of your own home and have the benifit of hindsight.

Had the same behaviour been demonstrated by white males, no-one would have batted an eyelid.

White males didn't carry out 7/7 so why would people be suspicious of them?

Because it was asian men, its an instant panic, we're all going to die hysteria. That is racism in its simplest form.

It's racism if people are suspicious of Asian men with no cause to be. However Asian men carried out 7/7 therefore Asian men will automatically attract more attention. Same way if white males carried out 7/7 and say, for example, they were all wearing red caps. That red cap would become a form of identification and I am in no doubt that if two white men had gotten on that plane wearing red caps they would have been treated in exactly the same way. Would this mean the people on that plane were prejudiced against white men wearing red caps?

It was Asian men who carried out 7/7 and being Asian has unfortunately become the form of identification. It just doesn't sit comfortably with you because the form of identification is based on race and this is a classic case of over reaction and being overtly pc on your part.

Oh another constructive post from you - Im over reacting and too PC?

No, the people on the plane were over reacting. The people on the London Eye were over reacting.

As for me over reacting and PC? No, Im not. Im simply not a coward, bigot and racist.

And Im done since this we are going round in the same argument we always do.