We are 'Lunatics'

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by BillyC

Their riding was agressive, but that's not unusual, most of us including me, have ridden like that at some point.

One mans aggressive is another mans defensive....

When on the bike I am responsible for my own safety.

If that means doing something safe but legally iffy then I will do it.

Which puts me in a dilemma most mornings on my way to work.

Up past the Oval there is a bus lane that if you use you risk a £100 fine.

Or there is the option to queue and take forever to get from Oval Station to Vauxhall Station while adding to the congestion.

Or you can filter on the oncoming traffic lane, which is OK 50% of the time because the pedestrian crossing half way round (but not in sight) is at red 50% of the time with a VERY long time at red.

The sooner they green light us for all bus-lanes the better

And introduce CBT for cyclists

[BillyC]

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

BillyC, did you get an "out of office autoreply" from good ole' Brunstrom too?

Out saving us from ourselves, no doubt.

Yes, or rather from Fiona McCall (Marketing Manager) - a role that is clearly wasted on a Police Force, especially Brunstrom's.

[Luckypants]

They got a marketing manager!!!! Is that what my council tax goes on? Are they marketing North Wales as a good place to come and steal?

[Stu]

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

One mans aggressive is another mans defensive....

When on the bike I am responsible for my own safety.

If that means doing something safe but legally iffy then I will do it.

Which puts me in a dilemma most mornings on my way to work.

Up past the Oval there is a bus lane that if you use you risk a £100 fine.

Or there is the option to queue and take forever to get from Oval Station to Vauxhall Station while adding to the congestion.

Or you can filter on the oncoming traffic lane, which is OK 50% of the time because the pedestrian crossing half way round (but not in sight) is at red 50% of the time with a VERY long time at red.

The sooner they green light us for all bus-lanes the better

And introduce CBT for cyclists

Not looking good for Bus lanes - ask Rizla

I'm the same sometimes filter between empty bus lane and stationery traffic. Which can mean a long ride down a white paint line (not adviseable) and travelling too close to cars than is logical.

Watched the video.
Same as everyone else. Hard shoulder manovoure was a bit dodge. Otherwise... meh, I dont drive like that (much ), they didnt look to be going insanely faster than the surrounding traffic.

That's the best they can come up with for dangerous driving??? Weak.

Yes, yes, all very well, but the serious point is that neither had "correct" number plates

Can you imagine that?

I would like to hear Brunstrom's views on police officers who drive on public roads at 159mph, so I've left a message to that effect.

As re the riders, did I spot jeans and trainers?

[northwind]

Hmm... I thought they were too close for almost the entire video, especially for that srt of riding. The verge overtakes are asking for trouble, since that's where debris lives, and an awful lot of the undertakes were too close to the cars- when you're undertaking, you want to be well over to the left, since you never know when a fast-lane sitter will suddenly decide to cut left, and they'll neve rlook or indicate. There's an undertake on a big red bus very early on that I thought was pretty ludicrous, since they do it at the exact point it would have pulled back across.

Can't really defend it... But if that's the best example of terrible riding they could find, then that speaks pretty well for british bikers. Can't say the same for the 4-wheelers in the video.

Speeding
Dodgy overtakes
Overtaking on the hard shoulder
Wheelies
Speeding some more...

12-15 months ban is a fair punishment for getting caught riding the way they did. I would take it as a fair cop if I was caught riding like that.

[Balky001]

The undertake on the hard sholder was very dodgy (but dangerous?), the rest was OK. Why do cars insist in sitting in the outside lane forcing people to undertake (or have their speed dictated by them).

I think the real question here is, 'Is Brunstrom really Jeremy Clarkson doing his day job?' I know Clarkson bangs on about speed cameras and all that to appear anarchic and 'cool' but given some officialdom, he would be Brunstrom! And they both have very similar views on bikes.

Does Brunstrom contradict himself when he says a lot of bikers ride dangerously but then said the majority (note, not vast majority!) are law abiding? He comes across as a little man with little ideas and a very narrow mind. Bet his family hate him - he has to run his home like Britta's Empire!

I bet if any of us were filmed in secret then there be instances where we would cringe.