Ipswich killer caught

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

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I've had a very similar experience to WRCSixtyThree by the sounds. Finding a very good friend dead because of their habbit is never nice. So yes, I have been personally affect by drug users.

I've also had windows broken (and at one point a gun held to my head) by "druggies" (for want of a better term). Why was that? Because a guy had a beef with me & didn't have the cahonas to do things himself, so paid someone who'd happily take the money, and was so sky high they didn't give a crap about reprocussions. Him using drug users to do his dirty work didn't stop the root cause of it all, in fact, it just made me more determined.

Does that mean I think drug users, or prostitutes, or any other part of society should be killed for their role within society. Certainly not!

As for drawing the line (as per WRCSixtyThree's post). I have known a girl that was raped, and my reaction was not entirely legal/right either.

Anyone comes near my kids & I don't think I'd react too differently. But then, that's a direct reaction to a specific event/action. It's not that I consider what I have done (or feel I would do without thinking about it) to be right or legal, but that's very different to going out & conciously (assuming no mental disorders) killing 5 people just because of who they are.

Blue, luckily I've got into the habbit of hitting Preview before Submit. Originally, I had all your post quoted (pre-edit). Above is my response to what you originally wrote, but as you've edited the original post, I won't quote that.

PS. Samnooshka, you do realise that by using that emoticon, you agreed with me, and called me stupid :P Just a thought

As a dad myself and i know many others on this site are I live in constant fear that despite my best efforts to make sure they stay on the straight and narrow, they may one day god forbid get into stuff that is not good for them. If this happens, i would like a chance to get them back to living a "good" life. I do not wish to have them considered available for slaughter by the likes of this bloke.
People make mistakes and find themselves in situations that seem unavoidable, they need our HELP not our condemnation

Hey, I back down from this, I withdraw everything I said..

Sorry if I have upset anyone with specific cases, that was not my intent.

My specific cases that affect me personally are not cause for any ‘blanket’ statement like I have made above.

So again, sorry to everyone.

Originally Posted by Ed

As stated above, this is somebody's mum, sister, daughter. It's not for anyone to say that how they earn a living deserves a savage and brutal death.

You're entitled to your opinion, Blue - but frankly I find it utterly shocking, callous.

All this "someones mum/sister/daughter" stuff really gets on my t1ts

and where are their supposed loving families while their mum, sister, daughter is out shagging anything that moves for £20 to buy her next hit of crack?

They were someones mum, sister, daughter until they chose to do hard drugs and live an illegal existance working the streets.

play with fire........

If some blokes who made their living from dog fighting got mauled to death by the dogs while they were taking them to a fight, all you do-gooders would say it serves them right. you wouldn't give a ****.

You certainly wouldn't be saying "lets make dog fighting safer for the people who want to do it", "oh yes I think there should be a dog fighting arena in my area so it's safer and regulated"

If it was gangs of pimped up drug dealers being murdered, would you feel the same?
can't hear the clamour for legalising and regulating crack and heroin sales.

Mr do gooder from suburbia- "I'd like to see a drug dealing store set up next to my house" or "we ought to help these poor drug dealers"

you hear "mum, daughter, sister" and you go into protective mode
you hear "drug pusher, pimp, prostitute, gang member" and you all go callous - "throw the book at them, got what they deserved"

You're all dancing to the media tune. They say kitten, you go ahhhhhhh, they say drug dealer, you go boooooooooo.

Blue has a point in his "natural selection" argument

the sensible ground I beleive is somewhere in between.

Jools'SV now.......

Just about right imo.

Eloquently put Jools'SV Now.

But I have withdrawn my original statements now as I feel they were warped by my personal/local problems.

Originally Posted by Jools'SV Now

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Everything you've said there was based upon assumption.

As previous posts, I know some drug users, and I know some prostitues. I also know some drug dealers and some "pimps". Do I consider any of them deserving of death? No. What about the people that are doing the same thing, but I don't know them? Nope, not them either. How's about the drug-taking prostitutes that would happily sell a kidney (or worse) to get their next hit? Nope, not them either (and yes, I do know some of those too, but I don't trust them as far as I can throw a landrover!)

Actually, about the only thing you said that I can agree with, is the "play with fire" sentiment.

As I said previously, I have found a very good friend dead, because of their choices in life, because of their habbit. Whilst this was mourned about (quite natural), nothing else really happened, when it could of happened.

Does being a drug-using prostitute mean that if they get killed (for any reason, eg, hit by a bus, serial killer, whatever) that their loss shouldn't be mourned? I do however, agree that mourning is a little restricted by the "play with fire sentiment" (as it has been in the past).

One of the prostitutes I mentionned before, actually has a child, and the child is VERY well looked after. Before any judgemental comments, she fell pregnant because of a one night stand, not because of something "on the job." She's put herself in a position where she can choose her "clients" carefully, and isn't standing on street corners. She's also put a lot of people around her that, should anything happen to her, her child will be looked after by those close to her. So yes, some prostitues are good mums (in fact, the particular person I have in mind is probably a better mother to her child than mine was to me - despite her choices in life).

Blue, if the previous posts are your honest opinion, as others have said, you're entitled to it & IMO respected for at least having one. You will never have an opinion where everyone agrees with it, that doesn't mean you should retract comments because of a disagreement. Yes I thought it was very OTT (given the social circles I've been involved in). That doesn't mean you shouldn't have your opinion.

Originally Posted by Jools'SV Now

They were someones mum, sister, daughter until they chose to do hard drugs and live an illegal existance working the streets.

Surely it's a media projection that all prostitues are doing what they do because of drugs. Also I feel it's a media projection that people always choose to do drugs in the first place.

I'm sure I'm not the only one on the forum that has known some scumbag get a girl hooked on drugs just to get her into being a prostitute for them. You could argue that it was the girls choice to take drugs in the first place, but that isn't always the case.

Originally Posted by Blue_SV650S

Hey, I back down from this, I withdraw everything I said..

If you have an opinion and have voiced it, for **** sake stand by it

If the authorities put as much effort into helping put an end to prostitution as they did catching the killer, this whole sorry affair need never have happened.

Blue_SV650S, I do agree that prostitution should be ended, but through helping those involved, not killing them. Nevertheless, you should have stuck to your guns mate.

Originally Posted by Baph

She's put herself in a position where she can choose her "clients" carefully, and isn't standing on street corners.

Excellent, as she's doing so well, does she need some help with her tax return this year?

As Mr Pink in Resevoir Dogs said "learn to f*cking type"