Are ghosts real? -Genuine evidence from a sceptic

Unfortunately I saw a ghost.
I mean, I have to say "unfortunately" cause I am a research scientist like.
It was very uneventful, and very not scary.
I just thought it was a guy, maybe robbing stuff.
I was a mechanic in a bike shop, and our workshop was below ground level, on one end it butted out onto the Liffey, and on the other, it ran out into these very old tunnels under Dublin inner city.

We opened up, 8 am, I walked down the stairs, and saw a guy simply leaving the workshop, walking away from the Liffey, towards where the bikes are stored. Not hurrying, not looking at me, just leaving. Through an open door.
So, walk back up the stairs (I was only half way down) I shout back to the lads at the back of the shop, and they drop into the basement from the very end of the shop.
I pick up a hammer, and follow your man. Nothing. He was just gone. I completely didnt believe this, I checked to see if there was any way he could escape, nothing. We had a load of money just sitting in a box down there, nothing was touched. There was no robbery.

It was really odd.
Then the guys all said, oh yeah, its the ghost.
Your turn to get the coffees in.
No one was even slightly perturbed. They had all seen exactly the same thing, none of them had told me about it though.
So... yeah.
There you have it.



I got the coffees in.

edit...
just, if anyone is interested, I dont believe that they are actually dead people though. I dont believe in life after death.
I think what I saw is something to do with a live person. In some way people can communicate in a special way sometimes.
I think this communication can be "a bad feeling" or, that it can sort of imprint something straight into your head, which your brain renders as "seeing".
To clarify, I dont believe that there was anything there that I saw. I believe that what I saw was the result of some other person's thoughts, a person who is alive.

Or something.
This just seems to be the most parsimonious explanation.
Well. Me hallucinating alone would be more parsimonious, but the fact that *everyone* else saw the same thing scuppers that one a bit.

Originally Posted by philipMac

Unfortunately I saw a ghost.
I mean, I have to say "unfortunately" cause I am a research scientist like.
It was very uneventful, and very not scary.
I just thought it was a guy, maybe robbing stuff.
I was a mechanic in a bike shop, and our workshop was below ground level, on one end it butted out onto the Liffey, and on the other, it ran out into these very old tunnels under Dublin inner city.

We opened up, 8 am, I walked down the stairs, and saw a guy simply leaving the workshop, walking away from the Liffey, towards where the bikes are stored. Not hurrying, not looking at me, just leaving. Through an open door.
So, walk back up the stairs (I was only half way down) I shout back to the lads at the back of the shop, and they drop into the basement from the very end of the shop.
I pick up a hammer, and follow your man. Nothing. He was just gone. I completely didnt believe this, I checked to see if there was any way he could escape, nothing. We had a load of money just sitting in a box down there, nothing was touched. There was no robbery.

It was really odd.
Then the guys all said, oh yeah, its the ghost.
Your turn to get the coffees in.
No one was even slightly perturbed. They had all seen exactly the same thing, none of them had told me about it though.
So... yeah.
There you have it.



I got the coffees in.

edit...
just, if anyone is interested, I dont believe that they are actually dead people though. I dont believe in life after death.
I think what I saw is something to do with a live person. In some way people can communicate in a special way sometimes.
I think this communication can be "a bad feeling" or, that it can sort of imprint something straight into your head, which your brain renders as "seeing".
To clarify, I dont believe that there was anything there that I saw. I believe that what I saw was the result of some other person's thoughts, a person who is alive.

Or something.
This just seems to be the most parsimonious explanation.
Well. Me hallucinating alone would be more parsimonious, but the fact that *everyone* else saw the same thing scuppers that one a bit.

Yet another frequently seen, but not frequently enough to be worthy of documenting, "ghost"? Or maybe the lads were playing a trick on you.

any of you that have been to tywyn will know the chip shop/ gift shop on the corner as you drive onto the seafront from the aberdovey end, well my nan worked there for years and years ago it used to be a chippy/cafe with seating inside, she lived in that building in the attic room because she was friendly with the owner and she always told me that she had a sea captain ghost come into that room and talk to her on regular occasions. she was my nan why would she lie? in the summer gone me and cuz went to tywyn and went to this very chippy for lunch and i got talking to the lady's that worked there, i told them of my nan who about 20 years ago used to work and live in the cafe, when i mentioned the attic room they just looked at each other and said "we dont go up there"

Originally Posted by sinbad

Yet another frequently seen, but not frequently enough to be worthy of documenting, "ghost"? Or maybe the lads were playing a trick on you.

I dont know about documentation. None of the lads were bothered, anxious or
anything. It was no more interesting that the gossip that morning.
I wasnt scared, I was just "huh... odd".
They werent trying to scare me, they werent really interested once they knew
it was just "the ghost" and not some thief. There was no wind up, and no one
ever mentioned it before or again. I personally never saw it again.
As soon as they realised it was just the ghost, everyone was relieved actually.
I know about wind ups, we used to do that sort of thing. But, this wasnt a wind up.

I might of brought it up once in conversation, but I think they just sort of
shrugged, nothing to tell really. " Oh yeah. The ghost. I dunno. How do you think the
rugby against Wales will go on Saturday?"

It was completely harmless apparently. It was as exciting as weather to them.

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by sinbad

I think it's also odd that you would form an opinion based on a story of a different plane, obviously a B25 not the MUCH larger 52 (and which I doubt was carrying 10,000 gallons of jet fuel btw, although I stand to be corrected) hitting a different building and then use that as a point of argument, suggesting that non-believers are simply naive. The theory that the WTC was brought down by controlled explosives has been rejected by scientists, principally of the National Institute of Standards and Technology. I believe there is an element of going against the grain which makes conspiracy theories so exciting, and possibly that applies to ghosts as well. I'm not saying believe what you're told and not what you see, I'm just saying believe what you believe because there is evidence to back it, not because there is none to discount it.

Ok, MY MISTAKE!!! lol, It honestly was a typo!!! I didnt for one second mean to imply a B52, i wouldnt have posted the link if i was trying to wind you up or lie now would i?

So, my bad. Sorry, wrists thouroughly slapped.

But i do think you'll find that National Institute of Standards and Technology did also say their explanation only covered the fall of the floors above the impact sites and they had no explanation to offer for the virtual freefall of the floors below that seemed to offer no resistance whether laterally across the floors or upwards thru the intact support colums. But we digress. Do a search for 9/11 or twn towers as we had a really good thread about this a while ago ... if youre interested that is.

Originally Posted by neio79

Wow, maybe because that is what happened and all the evidence is there to support it as well. I have no doubt that he USA is a courupt place and would have loved an excuse to go after Sadam and all the other terror nations., but to murder so many of its own citizens??

I bet you belive that the Pentagon was hit by a cruise missile as well.

But would any of us have believed that the CIA really put LSD into the water supply of an entire town without their knowledge and denied it ll cos they were trying to create a truth serum....until the awful truth cam out many years later and the FBI had to publicly admit it? A few peeps died during that too, ok not 3000 odd but it wasnt designed to create public outrage, just one of their own secret "sit back and see what happens" operations.

I KNOW the Pentagon was hit by something moving very fast that left a small hole on the outside wall BUT i like you have never seen any film of a PLANE or anything more than a blur hitting the building. I am asked to believe it was a plane cos thats what the authorities have told me. Until i see some proof i'm open minded, thats all.

Originally Posted by philipMac

I dont know about documentation. None of the lads were bothered, anxious or
anything. It was no more interesting that the gossip that morning.
....
It was completely harmless apparently. It was as exciting as weather to them.

My situation was exactly like Phils too. Her whole family had never told me about it even tho i'd been there loads of times and when i told them i'd met their ghost they were all "Oh really? Nice for you welcome to the club...thats about as itnteresting as it gets by the way"

I asked a load of question but they'd lived with it for so long that my questions were clearly things they'd been asked hundresd of times before by the many friends who'd stayed over (no she wasnt the local bike, she had 3 older & 1 younger bro who were all party animals and DJs etc so had a really hectic house with plenty of people staying over) and it was just so un-iteresting to them to even talk about it.
No, its never tried to freak any of us out.
No, there have never been rivers of blood flowing down the walls.
No, its never tried to levitate me out the window.
No, its not evil. We not to any of us anyway
Yes it does use the phone and TV cannels to communicate sometimes but thats gets really old really quick.

That was the main jist of their interest.

Hi Spidey.
Long time no see and all that.
You're a moderator now I see?
I say old chap.

How about them ghosts?
Its some mystery eh!

We beat Wales too in the rugger. As far as I remember.
I never take any pleasure in beating Wales though.


Edit... oh yeah. The point of my post.
"Yes it does use the phone and TV cannels to communicate sometimes but thats gets really old really quick."

Yaysus.
Does that mean it says stuff through the TV?
That would be new underpants time for me.
That would be new trousers time for me in fact.

Originally Posted by Spiderman

I KNOW the Pentagon was hit by something moving very fast that left a small hole on the outside wall BUT i like you have never seen any film of a PLANE or anything more than a blur hitting the building. I am asked to believe it was a plane cos thats what the authorities have told me. Until i see some proof i'm open minded, thats all.

.

A missile could not do that much dammage nor could it cause the pattern of destruction.

oh and where is the plane then, you know the one that did not hit the pentagon??

A few years ago I did pliot TV show about ghost hunting, one of many jobs lol!

Anyway we went to film in a pub in Holborn, can't remeber the name of it.....

Well this pub has some old victorain jail/lock up thing in it, it is belived some people were murdered there too or something just as gruesome!

Down in the beer cellar where this old cells, and I was told you stand in there you can feel a presence it makes you want to move go away from it, whcih I though was total ********, ghost don't exist right? The night was little uneventful. The guys though they saw stuff, I think one or 2 things were filmed.

With the filming over I went into the beer cellear to retive the camera gear, being me, I went into the jail and said it was a load of bollacks, what you are going to do me? Well nothing happened, but all of a sudden I felt something pushing all my body hrad to explain it just felt wrong!

It felt like there was something in there with me, it got cold and got more and more werid. I was like f*** this and legged it! Well that was my only encounter.....was it real I don't know but it freaked me out enough. Was it my head may be, will never know.

[Richie]

I still believe that Ghosts are just echos from the past.

The other thing I find weird, is that humans are the only beings to become ghosts (well except family pets naturally). Is it because we're so up ourselves that we only believe humans are worthy of enjoying the life after death trip, or maybe we believe we can't see other animal's ghosts? If it's the latter thank god, there'd be a bloody million insect ghosts all over me - but maybe they are all over me and I can't see them, where's McCormack when you need him? "uurrgh he says bzzzzzzzzzz, does that mean anything to you?" "Yeaaaaah, wow, last week I was almost stung by a bee" "Urrgh it's the bee communicating with you, he says bzzzz sorry, I was juzzzt protecting the hive mate" "Ahhhh thanks Derek!".