Another prison suicide

Originally Posted by hovis

prison is like a holiday camp..................... so i have been told, by people who have been

I can vouch for that, I went to Pontins last year

Originally Posted by rubberduckofdeath

Does anyone know that this kid didn't have a history of mental illness?

what genuine problems or just a dumb as f**k pain in the **** trouble maker who would have probaly played on that sort of thing??

[timwilky]

Lets just draw a line under this. This kid was failed by the system. Whilst we can debate till that cows come home as to should he or should he not have been locked up, that is immaterial.

The induction system should have picked up that he was a vulnerable prisoner and likely to commit suicide. At that time he should have been counselled and placed on a suicide watch. Lets leave it till the inquest to establish what was and wasn't done.

Originally Posted by Xan173

I can vouch for that, I went to Pontins last year

poor you..........

Originally Posted by krhall

+1 for me. I think some of you are looking at this from a slightly rose tinted glasses.... He took the easy way out rather than working hard as the majority of society do.

I was just seeing a client and suddenly there's 7 pages...

Someone asked what I do for a living - you were close, I'm a lawyer - civil work only, no criminal. I have no experience of criminal defence, I simply express my views as an independent observer. I'm conservative right on fiscal, economic and political issues, but a bleeding heart fluffy liberal on social matters.

When I posted this I knew it would be controversial but I didn't think it would cause quite such polarisation. Interesting views expressed... I consider it a tragedy that this lad is dead. No angel, I'm sure. But suicide while in the care of the prison system? No rose tinted glasses can disguise a body.

Originally Posted by hovis

poor you..........

Nah, only joking. I'm as likely to be seen at Pontins as I am to be seen in tracksuit bottoms drinking cider on the street at 10:30am.

Very true ED and each of us will have a different stance dependant on our lives/experiences, so as you say this was bound to spark debate and no doubt if we were all sitting down having a pint discussing this it would rage on for hours and no doubt be great fun.

Don't start anyone off on immigration!!!

What does a civil lawyer do exactly? Person against Person type stuff?

Taken from the Liverpool Echo.

St Helens youth offending service said Liam appeared before Liverpool crown court in July, charged with causing affray, and was given a four-month detention and training order.

He served two months in custody and was then freed to complete the rest of his term at home.

But the teenager repeatedly failed to keep his appointments with the local youth offending team and, in line with the national standards set down by the Youth Justice Board, was referred to St Helens youth court.
It ruled he should complete the remainder of his sentence in custody.

Originally Posted by Xan173

I'm as likely to be seen at Pontins as I am to be seen in tracksuit bottoms drinking cider on the street at 10:30am.

real ale man, eh?

[northwind]

I love this thread. It's about a kid who killed himself because he couldn't face prison, but half the posts in it seem to be about how prison's too soft

But despite that, even in this thread, this line stood out

Originally Posted by neio79

The purpose of prison should be to punish and prevent re offending, which does not work!!