WTF is wrong with Society?

"Evil" isn't a particularly politically correct concept. It's so much nicer to explain things away as "had a hard upbringing", "under a lot of stress", "not of sound mind" or "drunk and didn't know what he was doing". I think we would be better off if we sometimes recognised that certain people are evil and we should deal with them accordingly.

gettin2dizzy: Been reading Freakenomics, I see. Good book!

[Messie]

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Purely an over sight I am sure by Messie not to have included me in her list of those with reason.But something I can forgive.

Yes mental illness is a big problem and a sad biproduct of this is oftern the crime we see. I would push for a wide spread frontal lobotomy programme which would prove to be far better value than the wages of those in white coats carrying clip boards who's supposed purpose is to treat/rehabilitate such waste in human form.

I thankyou.

Nope, left you out quite deliberately

Originally Posted by Messie

Nope, left you out quite deliberately

Oops, a touch of the obvious!

Then you have wounded me deeply.











































Nah on relfection,I lie as I dont give a f*ck! Anyone calling me reasonable will be dealt with in a most severe manner. Obnoxious I can live with. Hand grenade throwing poster also has a nice ring to it.

Originally Posted by Ceri JC

"Evil" isn't a particularly politically correct concept. It's so much nicer to explain things away as "had a hard upbringing", "under a lot of stress", "not of sound mind" or "drunk and didn't know what he was doing". I think we would be better off if we sometimes recognised that certain people are evil and we should deal with them accordingly.

I share that view. I don't believe that deep down everyone is good. Neither do I believe that "rights" should be limited to, or automatically granted according to the species of a living thing (eg. HUMAN rights).

But... I don't believe in capital punishment either. Dear old Ghandi said it best "an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind".

I'm confused. Hypothetically, if a way of eridcating mentall illness and evil acts from the human race could be found, would we be right to use it? Perhaps it's better to choose for oneself not to do something you know to be bad, rather than to be physically or mentally restrained by others? Is this life a test or something...

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

Obnoxious I can live with.

How very reasonable of you

[Bluepete]

Interesting read ; http://www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/...-in.3734894.jp

Originally Posted by BluePete

Interesting read ; http://www.wigantoday.net/wigannews/...-in.3734894.jp

Interesting indeed.

You have to wonder though how the effect can be measured in conjunction with the other self-administered drugs that will be taken.

[SoulKiss]

The problem is that we let "petty" crime slide.

Every day without fail when I commute to and from home I see cyclists running red lights.

All it would take is a couple of cops, one operating a video camera and a radio to tell them to stop the cyclist and it easy to nick them.

By letting these slide, its then a case of "severity creep" ie what petty crime is tolerated.

Before you know it you have 14 yo kids robbing Jewellers @ knife point.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

Well New York is an interesting case, there?s no denying that the massive fall in crime happened when Giuliani brought in his zero-tolerance approach. All statistics will match that correlation regardless of how you look at it but as with all these political agendas it?s not quite the case. Looking across the whole country everyone?s crime rates dropped at the same time regardless of police policy. The crime rate plummeted, murder was down 50% in 5 years! Giuliani wasted no time to announce how much he had improved the city, and that drew media attention from all corners of the world but he never explained once why crime rate plummet was national.

The odd thing was there was a certain piece of history responsible for all of this, the details of which were irrefutable.

17 years prior to this abortion was legalised.

With abortion available to all there was a huge reduction in the number of unwanted kids brought up in the poor poor slums of the US. Fast forward to the nineties when these children would be in their peak crime years and the massive reduction of adults from these broken homes meant that crime just wasn?t happening. The numbers match so perfectly it?s a wonder Giuliani even tried to pretend he was responsible.

One particularly startling figure is that New York, Washington, Alaska and California had legalised abortion 2 years prior to the rest of the country and lo and behold ? crime rates had dropped to their knees 2 years earlier.

Ultimately crime is caused by f*ckwits doing f*ckwitted things. Remove the f*ckwits, remove the crime.


But?. On to Giuliani. Why was he praised with the crime drop? Well mass publicity and media coverage mainly, as with American politics it?s a media spin show on a scale that makes Labours own ?spin control? policy look like a jack russell trying to get in to some hardcore german shepherd action. Tying in with the deception of 911 there?s a distinct difference between what we receive through the media and what the people think; 80% of New Yorkers believe 911 to be a cover up at the last count.

But Giuliani?s ?prophecy? is utterly terrifying when you look in to the police state he has created. There?s now 40,000 monitored cctv cameras operating in NYC, permanent surveillance helicopters working 24/7 and even a blimp with ground penetrating radar than see through walls recording full time. The police have been strip searching people (mainly non-whites) for evading ticket offences (70,000 cases pending and rising), have been caught many a time operating strict racial policing policies with severe brutality and have outlawed using video/camera equipment in Manhattan. Yes, it is an offence to take a video of your holiday without a permit from the mayor. Any protests about this have been met with military-esque presence using equipment designed for the US Army for use on the Taliban.

Common sense has been replaced with policy, the police are now no longer allowed any leniency whatsoever and crime comes with a fixed penalty; even being insane isn?t taken in to account in court. Take an example of a girl who filmed a 20second clip in a cinema to entice her brother to go watch the film ? $2500 fine and a year in jail.

New York has a barrier around it and is monitored like a prison, I for one will not be going there any time soon and if zero tolerance (or just plain intolerance) comes here I?ll be off. It?s a disgusting policy worthy of a place in history alongside 20th century national socialism, soviet rule and putting pineapple on pizzas.

If your figures are correct, then we really have no hope. The contraceptives and abortion are available in more plentiful supply then ever before and are free, but why would anyone from the disadvantaged use them when the state will provide for their disadvantaged children to run riot out of the council flats that were given for having them.

I'll go with Pedrosa re vigilante groups...and frankly if i could get my hands on those who abused those defenseless animals I would tear them apart myself.

I've heard of a family in Sicily, whose daughter got raped. the brothers had found the guilty one cut his B0locks off and fed them to him.
another one when a man raped a boy, he was found with cauliflower stem up his rear. the stem (i'm told) has spikes going sideways, so it goes in but won't come out. I recon that is a deterrent and the next culprits will think twice before doing similar things.

Originally Posted by SoulKiss

The problem is that we let "petty" crime slide.

Every day without fail when I commute to and from home I see cyclists running red lights.

All it would take is a couple of cops, one operating a video camera and a radio to tell them to stop the cyclist and it easy to nick them.

By letting these slide, its then a case of "severity creep" ie what petty crime is tolerated.

Before you know it you have 14 yo kids robbing Jewellers @ knife point.

I am in total agreement with you Dave. It's getting away with the small crimes that allow those that do to move on to bigger ones.