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Old 12-12-08, 03:14 PM   #51
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Uhuh. Right, so other than believing everything you read in The Sun, what are you basing this idea of lenient sentencing on?

F**k all, I'm guessing.
You want examples? OK. 30 seconds in google brings this, this, this and these examples taken from the CPS themselves:

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At the Old Bailey, a defendant was convicted of causing death by dangerous driving and ordered to do community service. The CPS referred the case to the Attorney General, who referred it to the Court of Appeal. The sentence was increased to a prison sentence of three and a half years.

A defendant at the Crown Court in Newcastle was found guilty of two serious sexual assaults and was sentenced to five years. The CPS referred the case to the Attorney, who referred it to the Court of Appeal. The sentence was increased to eight years imprisonment.
Not a hint of The Sun in sight.
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Old 12-12-08, 03:21 PM   #52
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You want examples? OK. 30 seconds in google brings this, this, this and these examples taken from the CPS themselves:



Not a hint of The Sun in sight.
See if you can find something that indicates there's an systematic problem with lenient sentences. Otherwise, I'm not interested in sensationalist media articles.
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Old 12-12-08, 03:23 PM   #53
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Sex attackers - ugh

But being the woolly liberal that I am on social issues, I'm entirely with MiniMatt
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Old 12-12-08, 03:23 PM   #54
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Rather than let the public hand out possibility miss informed justice, how about a justice system that reflects what the public (with an IQ over 130 anyway otherwise it will be whatever the Sun decides) wish. That way you will not have the public attacking men (usually) who are on some obituary list and all they have done is taken pictures of there kid at a school footy match.

Or have a system that kills anyone who has ever committed any crime. 1 strike and your out. The world would have a much smaller population so the environment would benefit and the oil would last longer.........I'm not sure everyone will agree with me on this one.
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Old 12-12-08, 03:30 PM   #55
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Rather than let the public hand out possibility miss informed justice, how about a justice system that reflects what the public (with an IQ over 130 anyway otherwise it will be whatever the Sun decides) wish. That way you will not have the public attacking men (usually) who are on some obituary list and all they have done is taken pictures of there kid at a school footy match.
We have a justice system that's been refined over hundreds of years and for the most part works well. There is no point changing it for something that won't work any better, or indeed worse, just because what we have now isn't perfect, because a perfect justice system is impossible to achieve.
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Old 12-12-08, 03:40 PM   #56
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Old 12-12-08, 03:43 PM   #57
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This is true for sure, but maybe they should have a mandatory sentence of life without release if you rape or molest.
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Old 12-12-08, 03:44 PM   #58
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We have a justice system that's been refined over hundreds of years and for the most part works well. There is no point changing it for something that won't work any better, or indeed worse, just because what we have now isn't perfect, because a perfect justice system is impossible to achieve.
Are you then saying that because it works well mostly, we should not touch it and try and make it better? That's what is sounds like you are saying. Don't change anything in case we make it worse. Bit of a daft thing to think assuming that is what you are saying.
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Old 12-12-08, 03:53 PM   #59
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Are you then saying that because it works well mostly, we should not touch it and try and make it better? That's what is sounds like you are saying. Don't change anything in case we make it worse. Bit of a daft thing to think assuming that is what you are saying.
Nope. I'm saying it HAS been touched and it HAS been improved. Perhaps small improvements can still be made, but making sweeping changes would be foolish.
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Old 12-12-08, 05:04 PM   #60
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1 down 1000's to go

but its a start
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