Motorbike Warning from MP

What a ****!

Who the hell does he think he is.

In response I would say .. if you want your child to grow up to work at being immoral, irresponsible , a cheat, a swindler and a thief .. then tell him don't go for a life of crime - be an MP The hours are more sociable for starters!

If there was a "like" feature on svforums like facebook i'd defiantly like this comment.

Originally Posted by rick0361

1) It should be compulsory for all car drivers before they can even attempt a car test to have undertaken at least the CBT for motorbikes so that they can gain an appreciation of road sense on two wheels and the world from the two wheeled perspective.
2) All car drivers under the age of 21 should, in the same way as bikers, be restricted to cars which have a certain brake horse power and power to weight ratio. The concept and reality of 17 year old child getting behind the wheel of a powerful car seems somewhat akin to watching an African Child soldier handle an RPG7 Rocket launcher
3) All new drivers should have to display a mandatory sign on the vehicle to indicate to other road users that they are within 12 months of passing a test

More bureaucracy is JUST what we need

To answer:
1. BONKERS idea. Most people aren't cut out for driving a car never mind a bike. What next, everyone to drive a bus? HGV? Jumbo? Come on ...

2. That already operates. It's called insurance. Try running some quotes for a 21yr old on a slow ancient volvo never mind 17yr old in a SEXO STI. Not many 17yr olds have 5k to burn on insurance on a 1k car.

3. New drivers don't cause that many accidents, and putting plates on isn't going to prevent their errors. I don't think any kid would drive with them on anyway. I didn't own a set of Ls for my 125 for 18 months They're optional right?

Truth be told, we manage quite well on our crowded little island all in a stressed rush driving around 1.5 tons of steel faster than we should. We can't whinge about the 'nanny state', take no responsibility ourselves and then whinge when new rules are introduced.

Facts:
People will drive with phones - Hey it's boring and your phone is in reach
People make mistakes - Even our idols Tiger Woods and Ashley Cole
Cars are dangerous - You wouldn't drive your garage at 40mph down the high street
**** happens - Every ... single ... day.

Originally Posted by rick0361

Having recovered from the fit I had when I read the article in the first place I would like to point out what I feel to be the solution and it has probably suggested before.

1) It should be compulsory for all car drivers before they can even attempt a car test to have undertaken at least the CBT for motorbikes so that they can gain an appreciation of road sense on two wheels and the world from the two wheeled perspective.
2) All car drivers under the age of 21 should, in the same way as bikers, be restricted to cars which have a certain brake horse power and power to weight ratio. The concept and reality of 17 year old child getting behind the wheel of a powerful car seems somewhat akin to watching an African Child soldier handle an RPG7 Rocket launcher
3) All new drivers should have to display a mandatory sign on the vehicle to indicate to other road users that they are within 12 months of passing a test

Int his way at least we all gain some respect for the dangers of the roads that we all face daily (Thanks for the pot holes Kirklees) and for the other road users all around us.

I took my bike test late in my life having been interested all my life and it has made me a better, more alert driver to everything on the roads around me.

1. If they can't handle a moped, or learn to handle one, should they be allowed in control of 2 tonnes of metal?

2. Agreed, insurance doesn't control it, loads either drive uninsured or they manage to find the money somewhere. How many 17 year olds do you see in a 1.6 16v Saxo that does 0-80 in under 9 seconds and has 120bhp? How many 20-25 year olds in a Subaru Impreza STI? If a copper could look at a driver and look at a car, and know straight away it was illegal without even needing to see an insurance certificate, there would be very few young people driving powerful cars. Bikes have a 33bhp limit, why can't cars have something similar.

3. Just as Gettin2Dizzy has demonstrated, you will get the idiots who refuse to use them, but that happens now with L plates, you won't change that. Just make it a 6 point offence and make then have to retake the test the first time they get caught. Other countries have a new driver plate and the majority of new drivers display them as they should, why should it be any different here.

[yorkie_chris]

How many accidents are caused by youngsters with too much power?

You're just as sore hitting the side of a nissan micra 998cc that pulled out on you.

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

How many accidents are caused by youngsters with too much power?

You're just as sore hitting the side of a nissan micra 998cc that pulled out on you.

If he'd been in a Lambo he'd have cleared the junction and no accident would have occurred...

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

1. If they can't handle a moped, or learn to handle one, should they be allowed in control of 2 tonnes of metal?

2. Agreed, insurance doesn't control it, loads either drive uninsured or they manage to find the money somewhere. How many 17 year olds do you see in a 1.6 16v Saxo that does 0-80 in under 9 seconds and has 120bhp? How many 20-25 year olds in a Subaru Impreza STI? If a copper could look at a driver and look at a car, and know straight away it was illegal without even needing to see an insurance certificate, there would be very few young people driving powerful cars. Bikes have a 33bhp limit, why can't cars have something similar.

3. Just as Gettin2Dizzy has demonstrated, you will get the idiots who refuse to use them, but that happens now with L plates, you won't change that. Just make it a 6 point offence and make then have to retake the test the first time they get caught. Other countries have a new driver plate and the majority of new drivers display them as they should, why should it be any different here.

Since i done my CBT, i am firmly behind the cbt before car debate, i went to mine thinking i couldnt learn anything new, but i was 100% wrong, i learnt loads and i had been driving 18 years + at the time.
Made me have a better understanding of how and where motorcyclists are vulnerable.

Why shouldnt new car drivers under 25 be restricted the same as bikers, insurance as a deterrent doesnt work, what about the asian kid whose dad bought him a 944 porsche who crashed it and killed somebody, insurance would have been as much as the car, but if you have money it will be irrelevant.

[yorkie_chris]

Or he would have gone through the wall sideways... either way he wouldn't still be doing a million rpm trying to muster enough torque to get across your path and out of the way!

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

How many accidents are caused by youngsters with too much power?

You're just as sore hitting the side of a nissan micra 998cc that pulled out on you.

Its not just about them pulling out, its the racing around the streets with no skill level for the power their car has.
Quite a few under 19's have been killed in the midlands while racing and losing it on bends and hitting trees, i know this can happen with insurance group 1 cars but its more likely in faster cars.

[yorkie_chris]

Sorry but so what, s**t happens. People get killed. It's harsh, but it is natural. I don't really care about the odd under 19 wrapped around a tree, same as I accept the risk of death and injury every time I get on the bike.

I for one am happy accepting the scant chance of being killed by an out of control chavmobile while walking home from the pub when compared to the oppressive governance which even slightly reducing this threat would entail!

Hell we've got laws to deal with this, we DO NOT need more of them!

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

2. Agreed, insurance doesn't control it, loads either drive uninsured or they manage to find the money somewhere. How many 17 year olds do you see in a 1.6 16v Saxo that does 0-80 in under 9 seconds and has 120bhp? How many 20-25 year olds in a Subaru Impreza STI? If a copper could look at a driver and look at a car, and know straight away it was illegal without even needing to see an insurance certificate, there would be very few young people driving powerful cars. Bikes have a 33bhp limit, why can't cars have something similar.

3. Just as Gettin2Dizzy has demonstrated, you will get the idiots who refuse to use them, but that happens now with L plates, you won't change that. Just make it a 6 point offence and make then have to retake the test the first time they get caught. Other countries have a new driver plate and the majority of new drivers display them as they should, why should it be any different here.

I wrote an answer. But it was too long considering how many things you'd massively overlooked.

You live in your bureaucracy-riddled state, and I'll take the airline with no X-ray machine thanks.

Risk...It's a number