Racism in the UK in 2011

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

I understand what you're saying about it not being age specific, but you've used an example of a school in the 60's & 70's, when racism was rife in this country.

Do you still think that racism is a problem in schools and universities today? I don't mean a very small stupid minority that have decided they want to support the BNP, I'm talking about racism to a level where it becomes a problem.

I know for instance that Catholic / Protestant sectarianism is still a problem within schools in some areas, but I was under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that traditional racism against ethnic minority groups, had all but disappeared at that age group.

A lot of the "racist" incidents that are recorded as such aren't even race related anyway.

For example, 'stani kid and white kid have a fight, white kid calls him a black b*stard in the ensuing fisticuffs. A teacher would treat that as racist... but if they were fighting over something else it's nowt to do with race.

I like people of other cultures, especially their chicks even more so if they are chocolate skinned. Am I racist? (Some of them there Indian,Pakistani girls are amazingly gorgeous!)

[yorkie_chris]

So long as they had a shave that morning

Originally Posted by benji106

Never really understood this, more to the point British = Brits, Australians = Ozzies, Scottish = Scots, so surely Pakistani - Paki is just the same. I asked a Pakistani friend and he said its because in the past Paki has been used as a negative term, personally I cant see how it can be insulting its just a shortened version of the full proper term for someone from Pakistan but if they dont want to be called that then fine.

i may be wrong, but i do believe this sort of thing eg. british = brits etc also sprung about the use of the N word during the slave trade as alot of people were snatched from the Niger region of Africa, i may be wrong but sure ive read it somewhere,

but one thing that gets me, is on all job applications and pretty much everything you have to fill in, they say "equal opportunities, please tell us what you would class yourself as:

white british
etc etc etc"

now, if its equal opportunities, why should we have to say, it should be on our own merit, if your not good at a job, you dont get it, regardless of race/colour/creed or religion.

Originally Posted by tom-k6

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but one thing that gets me, is on all job applications and pretty much everything you have to fill in, they say "equal opportunities, please tell us what you would class yourself as:

white british
etc etc etc"

now, if its equal opportunities, why should we have to say, it should be on our own merit, if your not good at a job, you dont get it, regardless of race/colour/creed or religion.

simple don't fill it in. i've kick up fus before because a form had white british, white scot, white welsh and white irish. It was assumed that if you were english you classed your self as british?

i think paki's is just an insulting term here. I know in America it's not, heck even Bush used it in a public speech without realising. Just how afghanistanis are afghan.

The thing is, paki said in an american accent sounds so much more acceptable for some reason than the kid down the estate shouting out paaaki in his cockney accent (especially when it's usually preceded by 'effin). That said, paki shouldn't really be considered a racist term.

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

I like people of other cultures, especially their chicks even more so if they are chocolate skinned. Am I racist? (Some of them there Indian,Pakistani girls are amazingly gorgeous!)

In America, their 'equivalent' so to speak (even though the US is a cultural mixing pot) are the hispanics. If only the British empire was more involved with mexico and brazil than india and it's sub-continent eh?

[hindle8907]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

So long as they had a shave that morning

Im not Racist, the Asians in my local shop are allrite actually, even get tick off them have a bit of banter with the ones that can speak actually English.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

*The real racism is the system, and it's mental. Companies questioned on if they're employing enough minorities etc. You wouldn't see a company getting even asked about it for not employing enough Brits.

The reason being, there would be no reason for the latter in this country. Asking companies to employ a set amount of ethnic minorities is sad in it's own right as it shows the ever present racist bias in employment and career opportunities. The very fact these policies are even implemented highlights this.

see this article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3013280.stm

If it happens in the NHS, I can imagine it happens everywhere. And this is probably true of any country, which is a shame, cos we should be able to see past skin colour and hire the best man/woman for the job. But as long as 'institutionally racist' organisations exist, then policies will be implemented to negate that - the irony is that in order to fill quotas, a company may not necessarily be picking the right person for the job anyway. It's a catch 22.

My views are somewhat a little out there but the ones I will post are as a result of my experiences and those of others that have shared theirs.

In brum city in the 80's , you were careful where you went on a Saturday cos the Rastas used to go round on gangs in the bull ring, they frequently fought with White gangs, so racism from them was obvious.

I have worked with many Asians, on the whole, most have been pretty decent tbh, some have been c**ts, but from my own opinions of the people I've met, ive preferred Indians cos they have been harder workers, more open to change when faced with it, much more peaceful also.

My last company had about 50 Asians at one point or another, loads of fights between Indians and pakistanis, very racist towards each other.

Now being self employed, I work for a lot of different people, but without question the most problems I have had have been with pakistanis.
They don't wanna pay what you quoted, the houses are dirtier to work on, they don't wanna talk to you and never offer a drink.

My brother moved to Scotland 2 years ago u
Into an area with very few other nationalities, he has suffered racism there, which is suprising considering he was a cop for 30 years and didn't take **** from anyone.

An Indian bloke told me a story about a Pakistani moving to his village in India and him changing his name because he knew he would get abuse and spat at had the village knew he was a Pakistani.

In brum, the blacks and Asians don't get on at all, they are very racist towards each other, it kicked off a few years ago about a black girl who was raped by some Asians, riot ensued, innocent black kid stabbed to death by a group of Asians on his way home from the cinema.

On the whole, I will be friendly with anyone, regardless of race, but racism in all forms is present in all corners of the globe, it's human nature.
What does wind me up is immigration, I don't care what race they are from, I want most of them to bugger off home, this country is too small for the amount of people here and we are losing our identity and I feel like a minority at times.

Finally, a good mate of mine when we were kids was of Maltese origin, he looked a bit Asian, when the local shop was took over by Asians he sprayed on the shop shutters ' pakis go home', he got caught and couldn't even explain why he did it, did make me laugh though

Originally Posted by thulfi

The reason being, there would be no reason for the latter in this country. Asking companies to employ a set amount of ethnic minorities is sad in it's own right as it shows the ever present racist bias in employment and career opportunities. The very fact these policies are even implemented highlights this.

see this article
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3013280.stm

If it happens in the NHS, I can imagine it happens everywhere. And this is probably true of any country, which is a shame, cos we should be able to see past skin colour and hire the best man/woman for the job. But as long as 'institutionally racist' organisations exist, then policies will be implemented to negate that - the irony is that in order to fill quotas, a company may not necessarily be picking the right person for the job anyway. It's a catch 22.

What they don't say in this article is the positive discrimination that is going on in the NHS. Certain places are available for black and asians to further their careers, nothing for the whities. Also in regard to the job applications, the NHS get inundated from non EU applicants trying to get a work permit when their qualifications are not valid (tier 2). The additional cost of employing from non EU is huge. I wouldn't mind going to Las Vegas (fully paid) for a job interview if it cost me nothing. Even if I knew I wouldn't get the job.