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[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Ed

I speak as a human... that bloke might have been high on crack, I don't know. But for certain, he was somebody's son, maybe somebody's dad - again, I don't know.

It makes me sad when others crow over this sort of thing. There are no winners, this is not a football match, somebody is dead. And death - particularly violent death - is not something to celebrate.

Ed I know you're p*ssed, and I'm truly sorry I'm sober on a Friday myself so I can not continue this debate as an equal, so don't take this as a cheap dig

But people are not crowing that there is brains splattered all over the place, they are liking the fact that it seems summary justice was served, karma was satisfied, because people are absolutely pig f***ing sick of seeing scroats like this with a yard long rap sheet getting some slap on the wrist insult to the public and our great nation while otherwise decent and law abiding citizens get more severe sentences for trivial traffic matters.

I'd gladly see nonces, drug dealers, rapists, pikeys etc. get put up against a wall and blown to bits in a cost effective and expedient manner, but I think the majority of folk are better than that, they're just p*ssed at the "justice" system. So when there's a reminder that sometimes the right thing happens (albeit a really poor end to someone's day ), they like it.

This is all far too philosophical for me.

[BanannaMan]

Originally Posted by beabert

Someone threatening another with a knife whilst commiting robbery deserves to be shot.

+1

Originally Posted by Ed

And death - particularly violent death - is not something to celebrate.

No but well deserved justice is.

Being shot isn't particularly violent.
Being terrorized before having your throat cut while being robbed, now that is particularly violent.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

I'd gladly see nonces, drug dealers, rapists, pikeys etc. get put up against a wall and blown to bits in a cost effective and expedient manner, but I think the majority of folk are better than that, they're just p*ssed at the "justice" system. So when there's a reminder that sometimes the right thing happens (albeit a really poor end to someone's day ), they like it.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Meh, wave a knife at me while I've got a shotgun in my hand and I'd blow your head clean off and not let my conscience trouble me about it.

What's problem?

The peoples champion speaks truth and words of wisdom.

Originally Posted by specialone

he'd get a medal in the states

As bloody well he should!




Sometimes when the planets all line up, the hand of justice swings back and some lousy scrote gets whats coming to him.
Sweet ain't it!

[Drew Carey]

Personally I feel that the officer showed considerable inteligence by shooting in the body and fatally.....

Number one, Im pretty sure the officer would have warned attacker.......the attacker must have then lunged or moved at someone causing the officer to take action....

Now remember where they are.....a petrol station......I'm pretty sure the officer wanted to finish this with one shot and not risk the lives of others in the station. One hit to an arm or leg, the perp carries on running, knife / gun hand to hand ensues with bullets going anywhere with a few thousands of litres of flammable substance around.

I think he acted in the best way at that time. i don't condone killing people who do robery etc.......but I do feel in the location / scenario they were in and it was the right thing to do in the public interest.....

My view is ignoring the "liberal" / political arguments above.....its common sense.

If the robber had a knife so someone's throat, then death of that person is imminent, a split second away, if the robber so decided it. I don't even think there should be a warning shouted, the situation should be bought to a close before the robber has a chance to make that decision, the cop should just draw his gun and fire at the first opportunity.

Originally Posted by BBC

BBC NI Home Affairs correspondent Vincent Kearney said there were two conflicting versions of what had happened.
"I understand that witnesses have given them two very different accounts of what happened.


"The first version is that the robber was shot after holding a knife to the throat of a member of staff and ignoring repeated warnings that he would be shot unless he dropped the weapon.


"The other version is that he was shot as he was leaving the shop with the money he had stolen.



"If that account is accurate, the question will be, did he pose a threat to a member of the public or the police officer when he was shot?"

Isn't this really the point. If option 1 is true then I don't have a problem. If option 2 is true then I do.


Either way, the real point I was making is that violent death is not something to celebrate and there was a fair bit of crowing going on. Many have answered this by saying that people are fed up of the justice system being weak.

Originally Posted by BBC

It is understood Mr Ringland had an extensive criminal record. He was on licence for offences of criminal damage, driving while disqualified, making a threat to kill, burglary, theft and assault occasioning actual bodily harm.


The licence was imposed at Belfast Crown Court in March last year when he was also jailed for nine months. He had a total of 17 cases against him in both the Crown and Magistrates Courts dating back at least five years.

And it seems true in this case, the real question is why wasn't this bloke in jail. Often, judges' hands are tied by legislation and judicial guidance that favours leniency. And that is an entirely different issue.

[Nobbylad]

To be clear, I wouldn't celebrate his death, however I wouldn't have any sympathy either.

I think it is just and fair that if someone deliberately threatens the life of another, they should expect to risk/forfeit their own life.

Originally Posted by Nobbylad

I think it is just and fair that if someone deliberately threatens the life of another, they should expect to risk/forfeit their own life.

Would it be just and fair if it was your brother/son/father?

[Nobbylad]

If one of my brothers, my father, my sons, daughters or wife threatened someone by holding a knife to their throat for the sole purpose of robbery and was killed as a result, I would be sad to lose them, however would feel it just and fair. I would also offer my apologies to the individual they had threatened.

It's very simple and I understand the concept you are trying to introduce, but to be honest, it doesn't matter who it is.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Ed I know you're p*ssed, and I'm truly sorry I'm sober on a Friday myself so I can not continue this debate as an equal, so don't take this as a cheap dig

But people are not crowing that there is brains splattered all over the place, they are liking the fact that it seems summary justice was served, karma was satisfied, because people are absolutely pig f***ing sick of seeing scroats like this with a yard long rap sheet getting some slap on the wrist insult to the public and our great nation while otherwise decent and law abiding citizens get more severe sentences for trivial traffic matters.

I'd gladly see nonces, drug dealers, rapists, pikeys etc. get put up against a wall and blown to bits in a cost effective and expedient manner, but I think the majority of folk are better than that, they're just p*ssed at the "justice" system. So when there's a reminder that sometimes the right thing happens (albeit a really poor end to someone's day ), they like it.

This is all far too philosophical for me.

yep, that just about sums it up.

[mikerj]

Originally Posted by simesb

Would it be just and fair if it was your brother/son/father?

It would be just and fair no matter who it was. You don't hold a knife to someone's throat simply "by accident"; you are threatening their life in a deliberate and calculated way so you must expect consequences.

His extensive record suggests that he was never likely to be rehabilitated so his death means one less violent criminal to destroy the lives of innocent people. I do feel sorry for his child, both for having such an appalling father and role model and for suffering the pain of losing him

I simply hope the officer followed procedure and didn't shoot this scum whilst he was getting away.