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Old 05-03-11, 09:35 AM   #51
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Default Re: Overtaking Double White Lines in Standstill Traffic?

Well, it is, since there are two options there.
I'd defend myself using the "not moving" definition presented there.

The other one, not intended to be moved, is where you're talking about steam engines designed to run equipment rather than vehicles.
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Old 05-03-11, 09:36 AM   #52
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Well, it is, since there are two options there.
I'd defend myself using the "not moving" definition presented there.

The other one, not intended to be moved, is where you're talking about steam engines designed to run equipment rather than vehicles.
Good luck with that one
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Old 05-03-11, 09:39 AM   #53
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Well the primary defence is obviously not getting caught. Second is to be nice to the copper and hope he lets you off with a b*llocking, third is to hope CPS think it's too much of a PITA... last of all is to try and explain the English language to a beak lol.

I would hope that any court would be reasonable enough to see stationary (standing still...) plus safe conditions equals no case to answer.
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Old 05-03-11, 09:46 AM   #54
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I would hope that any court would be reasonable enough to see stationary (standing still...) plus safe conditions equals no case to answer.
Remember I spent a full day in court for being very observant, having quick reactions, and saving the lives of a bunch of kids and an OAP crossing patrol!

What if prosecutor came at you with the "if necessary" argument? How would you explain that filtering to the front of the queue was absolutely necessary?
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Old 05-03-11, 09:49 AM   #55
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necessary

adjective

1 needed to be done , achieved, or present; essential:

2 determined, existing, or happening by natural laws or predestination; inevitable:

noun

the basic requirements of life , such as food and warmth.
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Old 05-03-11, 05:33 PM   #56
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Default Re: Overtaking Double White Lines in Standstill Traffic?

I know Red Herring in the last thread this was discussed said that the Criminal Protection Service wouldn't run a trial for a SWL offence.

However, they run trials for not wearing a seatbelt around here, mobile phone trials are common, so I can't see why they would decide not to run another endorsable trail.

The decider on whether you get a ticket or not is the Cop who stops you. If you get a ticket, you can still elect a trial (accepting a fixed penalty at the roadside doesn't mean you have accepted the points) and explain dictionary definitions to the beak, but if you were filtering, I doubt you'd win.

I'll have a look into some case law next week if there is any and get back to you all.

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Old 05-03-11, 09:33 PM   #57
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I think the criminal protection service would be right to protect criminals like me for filtering on SWLs.

Not my fault that some silly c**t painted a load of road for no apparent reason! especially in places easily wide enough to take 2 lanes of traffic plus 2 or 3 bikes!

An unjust law is no law at all, if you do it safely, and not wheelying over a blind crest, then morally the law can mind it's own business. It's the same as any other filtering, you're just going about your business not bothering anyone. The SWLs should act as a strong advisory to slow it right down and take care, but I'd say they have no business telling you what risks to take.

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2 determined, existing, or happening by natural laws or predestination; inevitable:
Perfectly natural for a motorbike to filter.

I'd say that as passing stationary traffic is pretty much the complete journey when riding a motorcycle that the necessity of passing traffic is the same as the necessity of the whole journey.
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Old 05-03-11, 11:14 PM   #58
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Perfectly natural for a motorbike to filter.

I'd say that as passing stationary traffic is pretty much the complete journey when riding a motorcycle that the necessity of passing traffic is the same as the necessity of the whole journey.
Was waiting to see what the answer would b , good luck with that one in front of a beak too
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Old 06-03-11, 09:15 AM   #59
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Whats the point of having a bike if when yo ucome across this sort of situation , you sit with the rest of the traffic?? pointless.
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Old 06-03-11, 01:32 PM   #60
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I don't much enjoy being sat at the back of a row of cars in a NSL on a stretch of road that might have SWLs.
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