9/11 what really happened?

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Yeah I'm sure that would be true for most people. But I think in the back of most peoples minds they'd be hoping to be released, and that would stop them from doing anything that might jepordise that i.e. taking on the hijackers.

absolutely

@keithd

and you wouldn't do something about it ?

jeez.


I can't remember from which planes it was, but they played recorded 911 calls & calls they made to friends & family.

Originally Posted by PatrickUK

@keithd

and you wouldn't do something about it ?

jeez.


I can't remember from which planes it was, but they played recorded 911 calls & calls they made to friends & family.

no i didn't say i'd not do anything about it. i agreed with jordan in his statement that by tackling the hijackers it could jeopardise the entire plane and the people on board.

to be honest patrick i don't know what i'd do. i've no problem admitting that, after all we're all playing a hypothetical game here aren't we? i'd love to tell you i'd take them all on chuck norris style, but i just don't know.

if you do know exactly how you'd react then fair play to ya.

oh yeah the famous last desperate phone calls to victims loved one's,now of course we are completely satisfied that they are indeed genuine.

Originally Posted by PatrickUK

@keithd

and you wouldn't do something about it ?

jeez.


I can't remember from which planes it was, but they played recorded 911 calls & calls they made to friends & family.

Well it's kind of important which plane it was from, because if it was the 4th plane that never hit it's target then they DID take on the hijackers.

totally agree - it's hypothetical

My view is just - they all knew that they're hijacked & going to die.

The hijackers where hugely outnumbered - at least on one of the planes that is confirmed.

So there is no need for chuck norris action.

@Peter Henry


Yes these calls where genuine as they played them straight after the 2nd plane hit the tower. it was on all news channels

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Well it's kind of important which plane it was from, because if it was the 4th plane that never hit it's target then they DID take on the hijackers.

I believe it was the fourth plane. Certainly its from these calls that have allowed film makers to reconstruct what they believe happened prior to its crash.

Would be interested to know if any did come from the other planes involved.

Originally Posted by PatrickUK

Seen all the conspiracy videos.

What I don't understand is:

Supposedly these where commercial airlines/flights. So there were loads of people on that plane. Therefore the terrorists where hugely outnumbered.

Now regardless of what weapon exactly they had - 1 person can't fight off 20 people at a time. Not even if he has a Handgun. (Beretta they have maximum 22 rounds)

When you are in a life death situation your basic instincts kick in - the urge to live.

People knew that the plane has been hijacked - WHY DID NOBODY ON THE PLANE DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT????

Thats a very good point Patrick.

To answer this, first consider these points.

Firstly, in the 9/11 comission report, it is stated that (can't find the exact statement, be greateful if somebody is able to help me out with this?) the US administration could not be excpected to forsee the use of commercial airlines as missiles into buildings.

This is obviously not true if you are to believe these reports of intelligence as early as 1995:


http://archives.cnn.com/2001/US/09/1...g.philippines/

http://www.rense.com/general25/hij.htm

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september1...718312,00.html


So if we are looking for a reason that their was no response from the passengers on the hijacked planes, maybe that was because there were no passengers? Technically this is very possible (although the people involved in 9/11 commission play down the advanced technology available) - Google search 'Global Hawk' for information or even 'Global Hawk 9/11' for conspiracy theory type related info.

Whooooooaaaa, that seems very far fetched though, ya great big left win loonie Akbar. Point taken..... but only about as far fetched as the idea that a group of guys with about 250 flying hours between them could fly three commercial airliners into pretty tiny targets.

But would the US government seriously risk their own reputation and the lives of thousnads of US citiznes just for a measly few barrells of oil? (ok, well a whole lot more oil than that + strategic positioning in the Middle East + oppurtunity to test their new doctrine on Preventative war + great boost towards their domination of world order)

Hmmm, theirs a poser..... maybe a look at these links or your own Google search on 'Operation Northwood' will help.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/Northwoods.html

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

oh yeah the famous last desperate phone calls to victims loved one's,now of course we are completely satisfied that they are indeed genuine.

Completely satisfied. But only just one of the hundreds of gaping holes in the 9/11 commissions findings/official story.

Originally Posted by akbarhussain

Supposedly these where commercial airlines/flights. So there were loads of people on that plane. Therefore the terrorists where hugely outnumbered.

But armed. Which changes things somewhat, as people tend to be less brave when up against someone with a gun. Hence the immense criticism following 9/11 for the very distinct lack of security applied to internal flights.

Now regardless of what weapon exactly they had - 1 person can't fight off 20 people at a time. Not even if he has a Handgun. (Beretta they have maximum 22 rounds)

But again youre presuming that peoples urge to live would overcome their immense fear. The point with the fourth plane indicates that attempting to overpower the terrorists was not successful. You are also forgetting theres not actually room on most planes for 20 people to actually go for one person. Its not really the same when only 3 or 4 can go up against someone armed.

but only about as far fetched as the idea that a group of guys with about 250 flying hours between them could fly three commercial airliners into pretty tiny targets.

But the point is they didnt need to learn take off and landing only how to fly the plane to a set of co-ordinates. I suspect its not that hard to learn in 250 hours between them how to steer a plane already in the air to a set of new co-ordinates.

End of the day we will never know the truth. I just see bureaucratic incompetence and a wish to cover that up coupled with a blame culture between the CIA/FBI and administration rather than a deliberate involvement that the conspiracy theorists see.

Though, imho, those who say the planes werent boarded are getting into the realms of science fiction. So the CIA kidnapped 3 planes worth of people at the airport, transported them to the WTC so they would die anyway and not remain alive to escape and speak out in the future?

Or they have murdered them all [kind of defeats the point since the likelihood of death from impact into the building was pretty high] somewhere else and there are hidden graves somewhere of over 500 people?

How do you "hide" these inconvenient passengers that boarded the planes?