Thief dies

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Scroat in this case has saved the owner the trouble and the inconvenience of arrest, imprisonment, loss of earnings etc.

So that makes things a lot easier then. The defects in our current system aren't worth fixing, we're better off with dead thieves.

I could never support that view.

[yorkie_chris]

Why not? I'd far rather a thief kill himself. I don't get locked up that way, and it saves me 15p for a cartridge.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Ed

I don't believe that people are intrinsically 'bad' or whatever label you like to apply.

I do, I've met alot of bad people, people who I'd done nothing to who treated me badly and were down right nasty to me. I dont know why they did it, but they did and TBH they made my life hell....

I dont have alot of sympathy for the theif in this case, sure nobody deserves to die, but Karma has a funny way of dealing with things like this. Being high or off your face is no excuse IMHO.

As a society we need to stop making excuses for people who do stuff like this and we need to deal with the causes and effects properly and have a police force with some teeth who can deal with it properly.

As posted elsewhere, what if the rider had ploughed into another biker and killed them, what if that theif had lost control and ended up in a school playground, motor vehicles are weapons in the wrong hands...

You cant blame the parents either, sometimes people go off the rails, it just happens He broke the law he paid the ultimate price, Cause and effect....

I feel sorry for his family there the ones who are suffering now.

[SoulKiss]

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

I do, I've met alot of bad people, people who I'd done nothing to who treated me badly and were down right nasty to me. I dont know why they did it, but they did and TBH they made my life hell....

I dont have alot of sympathy for the theif in this case, sure nobody deserves to die, but Karma has a funny way of dealing with things like this. Being high or off your face is no excuse IMHO.

As a society we need to stop making excuses for people who do stuff like this and we need to deal with the causes and effects properly and have a police force with some teeth who can deal with it properly.

As posted elsewhere, what if the rider had ploughed into another biker and killed them, what if that theif had lost control and ended up in a school playground, motor vehicles are weapons in the wrong hands...

You cant blame the parents either, sometimes people go off the rails, it just happens He broke the law he paid the ultimate price, Cause and effect....

I feel sorry for his family there the ones who are suffering now.

I don't.

They are the ones that are so deluded that he was a "good boy".

Which means they either didn't care enough to know what he was up to, or they believed that his actions were perfectly acceptable, and justified it as "youthful hi-jinks" or something like that.

LMFAO

Gutted and Owned...

That'll teach him. Just another dole scrounging waster not claiming my taxes.

Nice

Some kids go off the rail, but those brought up half decently wouldn't go down this road. Only a very few kids would go bad if not parented properly (just bad parents are getting more and moreso).

I know if i'd have died from stealing a motorcycle, with a mate, and got killed, my parents wouldn't be sitting there going "such a nice boy" as I clearly wouldn't be the person I am now.

Such a nice boy, that he fealt it would be nice to remove someones motorcycle without care at all for that owner. Or as said, do you really think this bloke would be the kind to stal the bike then sit at 30mph outside a school.... Course not.

More breathable air for me, tough luck and no sympathy. Its just another number.

Worst part of it is the death will be recorded under motorcycle deaths, so his ignorence will yet again make bikers look bad on paper.....

Hope its hot down there

Instant karma, shame they died but you reap what you sow.....

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

If it was your bike stolen, you'd be like "I want to blow that little f##kers teeth out of the back of his head with a 12-bore". Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar, or has never had anything stolen before!

I was personally finding it very difficult to imagine ArtyLady feeling like that

I'm not entirely sure I could wish death on someone for theft. Torture on the other hand would be most agreeable and some sort of confinement for the entirety of their excuses for lives fair enough, but death is a whole different ball game. Who the f##k are we to wish it on anyone! (for the small matter of theft, obviously if we were talking about rape/murder then fire away )

I'm a bit torn tbh. On the other hand there are people dying every day through no fault of their own, matters they have no control over. These gits had control over their lives and chose to throw it away on a whim and unfortunately have got their comeuppance. That's life.

How about the poor sods who had to scrape him up ,and then go and see his parents

To those who say "the bike's only a lump of metal, it can't compare to a human life." This argument gets brought up again and again whenever people talk about the morality of hurting/threatening/killing thieves. It's a false argument. The overriding thing about being robbed isn't the loss of the thing that gets stolen. It's the psychological stress (and in some cases, damage) it exerts on the victim that is the real crime. Yes, this damage isn't the reason why people steal, but that doesn't matter: It is a direct consequence of theft and those doing the stealing are wholely responsible for it.

My garage was broken into, a couple of hundred quid's tools were stolen. Insurance replaced them (I actually got slightly better tools due to the cheapness of buying more comprehensive sets than all the little individual bits I'd acquired over the years). My premium only went up about £50 a year, no real material "loss". From ratboy's moral POV, no one really got hurt, right?

Well, no. I regularly had anxiety dreams about the garage being broken into (still do now occassionally, although it happens less), on more than one occassion I heard a cat/whatever in the garden and had to go out and check it was all okay before I went back to bed. In an attempt to prevent these worries* I spent several times the value of the tools, not to mention huge amounts of my time, improving the security of the garage.

My girlfriend was almost as upset by the theft** as I was. She got worried about staying in the house on her own when I was away. I had to fit a strong lock to our bedroom door so she could sleep easy. Even now over a year later, she still goes overboard about locking all the doors around the house (eg locking the bathroom door when she's alone in the house) as a result.

On a related note, I suppose if you're a civil liberties-type, there's also the
concern that I had to give the police my fingerprints (which will be held forever) and if I hadn't, there's a good chance the insurer wouldn't pay out as I'd not cooperated fully with the police. So ratboy's antics impinge on my own rights and freedoms.

There are also instances where the lump of metal does have emotional ties (perhaps you have a bike your late father left to you?) and it's more akin to the way people feel about a pet than an inanimate object. In these cases the damage done is even greater.

The fact that the lad concerned was a junkie stealing to get a fix and was from a bad family (and I know all this to be true; they caught him) makes me less inclined to want to see him hung for depriving me of a couple of hundred pounds worth of tools, but it makes absolutely zero difference to the stress and worry caused by the theft, which as I've said is the far greater concern for me.

*Yes, there was also a rational concern about a real increase in security, but this was a lesser factor.

** Interesting Freudian insight: I accidentally typo'd "theft" as "attacks", in that sentence. Thinking about why, it's probably because it accurately describes the way I felt about the whole thing.

Originally Posted by ArtyLady

.... I hope no-one near and dear to you ever goes off the rails (lets face it many kids do albeit temporarily)

I just have this to say again - then Im outta here.