Motorbike Warning from MP

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Sorry but so what, s**t happens. People get killed. It's harsh, but it is natural. I don't really care about the odd under 19 wrapped around a tree, same as I accept the risk of death and injury every time I get on the bike.

I for one am happy accepting the scant chance of being killed by an out of control chavmobile while walking home from the pub when compared to the oppressive governance which even slightly reducing this threat would entail!

Hell we've got laws to deal with this, we DO NOT need more of them!

In that case then remove the restricted license for bikes then, cos its unfair for them and not for cars.
BTW, if it was a member of your family that was killed by a under qualified driver in a fast car, you'd feel different (i havent btw)

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by specialone

In that case then remove the restricted license for bikes then, cos its unfair for them and not for cars.
BTW, if it was a member of your family that was killed by a under qualified driver in a fast car, you'd feel different (i havent btw)

I don't agree with the 33bhp license as it is currently used.

But, there's no such thing as under-qualified. Why should an individuals actions make me change my mind about the system? Sure I'd want the individual stringing up by the knackers but it wouldn't be the systems fault.
That attitude is the "won't somebody please think of the children" whinging "it's all the systems fault" set of ideals which are an endemic rot on society. You wish to remove free will and choice and replace it with an even more invasive system of government.

To take this to an extreme example of why people who've been involved in these issues shouldn't be allowed near the law because they go all "helen lovejoy" about it is that lass whose daughter was murdered by some nutter. So they managed to ban extreme pornos based on this lasses misguided "logic".

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

I don't agree with the 33bhp license as it is currently used.

But, there's no such thing as under-qualified. Why should an individuals actions make me change my mind about the system? Sure I'd want the individual stringing up by the knackers but it wouldn't be the systems fault.
That attitude is the "won't somebody please think of the children" whinging "it's all the systems fault" set of ideals which are an endemic rot on society. You wish to remove free will and choice and replace it with an even more invasive system of government.

To take this to an extreme example of why people who've been involved in these issues shouldn't be allowed near the law because they go all "helen lovejoy" about it is that lass whose daughter was murdered by some nutter. So they managed to ban extreme pornos based on this lasses misguided "logic".

Just because there is already a system in place and you dont want anymore, doesnt mean its the right one.
I hate legislation as much as you, but other 'bad' things are controlled by new laws and this is one i think would benefit.
Kids in fast cars with no regard for the road doesnt help any of us, eventually it will mean even tighter restrictions imposed and MORE legislation, better to try and control it now imo.

In my opinion, the fastest solution to reduce the number of biker fatalities (as a percentage, absolutes are pointless) is to help introduce more youngsters to biking...

1. Offer FREE CBT's to all under 21's
2. Subsidise Test Fees (say half price?) for the same group
3. No road tax on small capacity bikes - reduced VAT on new purchases of small bikes etc.

More kids riding will make bikes a more acceptable mode of transport ("Well, if the government is encouraging it - it must be okay?"). It's cheaper. It's far greener -- the UK will be seen to be introducing new 'commuters' to a more environmentally friendly alternative than another car with one person in it. A lot of them will progress to cars anyway, but when they do they'll have that riding experience to fall back on and we all know riding makes us better drivers.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by specialone

Just because there is already a system in place and you dont want anymore, doesnt mean its the right one.
I hate legislation as much as you, but other 'bad' things are controlled by new laws and this is one i think would benefit.
Kids in fast cars with no regard for the road doesnt help any of us, eventually it will mean even tighter restrictions imposed and MORE legislation, better to try and control it now imo.

A new system would be no better, look at the 33bhp one, it causes more bother than it saves injuries.

What other bad things are controlled by new laws?

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

A new system would be no better, look at the 33bhp one, it causes more bother than it saves injuries.

What other bad things are controlled by new laws?

Speeding, smoking etc etc, when this government dont like something they legislate against it.
Like i said, the existing laws about young drivers dont work either, so we're no better off.
Defo think some change is needed, we'll have to agree to disagree i think.

[yorkie_chris]

Speeding law is not new. Smoking law is a load of bollox, people should be allowed freedom of choice but that's another argument.

The existing laws don't work, the new ones wouldn't work either, so you're left in the same place with more of a PITA for responsible people. Just like the 33bhp law which restricts the bikers who wouldn't wally the throttle anyway, or the gun laws which take guns away from people not inclined to shoot people.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Speeding law is not new. Smoking law is a load of bollox, people should be allowed freedom of choice but that's another argument.

The existing laws don't work, the new ones wouldn't work either, so you're left in the same place with more of a PITA for responsible people. Just like the 33bhp law which restricts the bikers who wouldn't wally the throttle anyway, or the gun laws which take guns away from people not inclined to shoot people.

It was when it came out

The problem with legislating and making laws against "bad" things, is teh fact that young drivers, and young people in general, plus anybody really, get a thrill from doin things they shouldnt, like breaking laws etc, so the more you ban the harder things are gonna be to control and keep under control

[yorkie_chris]

Motorway limit in 1965? Fairly old in the context of this discussion.