£42,000 a year benefits

[Messie]

I am happy to pay money back into the system. It's paid out enough for me in the past, from benefits, to education all the way up to university, to amazing health care. And all this for my family too.

I see it as one of the responsibilities of living in a free,advanced and civilised society.

Originally Posted by ranathari

I don't have a problem with my money funding people on benefits and I probably pay more tax than most people here because I'm only one bracket below the highest tax level.

The welfare system is akin to insurance - we pay into it in the knowledge that others will receive our money as a bet against the possibility that we may end up relying on it in the future. What's more, it's a symbol of our humanity and compassion as a nation that we are willing to care for our weakest and poorest members. I'm proud to be part of a compassionate society that believes in that notion and I'm ashamed that some of you resort to blind Daily Mail esque "our money" ranting to hide your naked "f*ck you, got mine" mentality.

The reason people rant is because they see these people in the article have things that they can not afford themselves. For instance, whilst I am (fortunately) not on the breadline, if I had several kids I may be. And I certainly wouldn't be able to afford new big screen tv's, SKY, a nintendo wii, a DS for each of them, etc. These people are getting all of that FOR FREE.

Conversely,you, by the sounds of it, are in a financial situation where you don't want for much so it's actually you who has the 'I'm all right jack' mentality. You can afford these things that the benefits family get but a lot of people can't without sacrificing something else.

[L3nny]

The thing I object to is that both me and my girlfriend have what most people would class as reasonably paid jobs (about the national average). We live in a council house but we bought it and pay a mortgage.

The mortgage we pay is about 4 times what we would pay if we were renting from the council.

If we were to hae a child and one of us had to give up work to care for it we would not be able to pay the mortgage and would lose our house.

In other words we cannot afford to have children of our own but are paying a huge chunk of our income on taxes which are being used to pay for the upbringing of other people's children.

I know I will have a house which is paid for in 20 years time (provided interest rates stay as they are and we can continue paying the mortgage) but how is it fair that we who work are in a worse situation than someone who doesn't.

Another thing that winds me up is we are currently going without luxuries because we need to save up in order to get double glazing fitted and do some essential repairs in the bathroom. All the council houses in the street have had new windows and doors, new bathrooms and new kitchens fitted all for free.

I am all for people on welfare having to live in an acceptable basic conditions but many (if not all) live way above what most would consider a basic level.

Oh and while I am at it, I rent my garage off the council, if I were a council tennant I would pay half what I am paying, now if you can afford a car or bike good enough to need to be garaged you hardly need any help do you.

Originally Posted by carty

These people are getting all of that FOR FREE.

Yes, I see them queuing round the corner from the dole office on Tuesday mornings waiting for their free tellys etc to be handed out . I think you'll find it's more about what people choose to spend their money on (whether eanred or given thorugh benefits). You have a holiday, they don't. You spend your money and free time on books improvign your mind, they while away hours pi$$ing it away at the pub. They buy cheap mince at the supermarket, you buy a posh chicken.

Originally Posted by L3nny

The thing I object to is that both me and my girlfriend have what most people would class as reasonably paid jobs (about the national average). We live in a council house but we bought it and pay a mortgage. etc...

Great, and youll have a valuable asset, that you've used your earnings to pay for, that you can pass on to your kids.

Show some perspective here, people!

Post deleted. Can't read properly!!

Which brings us back to the ridiculous price of property... If the average house wasn't 10 times the average wage people wouldn't spend all their money on ridiculous mortgages. Or Private rent.

Edit: At leat at london leves anyway

And she adds: 'I've always wanted a big family - no one can tell me how many kids I can have whether I'm working or not.

No but they could make her pay for them, they won't though.
£42000 a year no doupt that is after tax, me and the mrs don't even earn that befor tax, and we both work at least 40hrs a week, that's it i'm giving up work and having loadsa sprogs, will even be able to afford a merc as well, ****s.

[Dave20046]

I say put 'em all down.
...filthy gingers

Originally Posted by carty

The reason people rant is because they see these people in the article have things that they can not afford themselves. For instance, whilst I am (fortunately) not on the breadline, if I had several kids I may be. And I certainly wouldn't be able to afford new big screen tv's, SKY, a nintendo wii, a DS for each of them, etc. These people are getting all of that FOR FREE.

Conversely,you, by the sounds of it, are in a financial situation where you don't want for much so it's actually you who has the 'I'm all right jack' mentality. You can afford these things that the benefits family get but a lot of people can't without sacrificing something else.

Exactly, well said

[Dave20046]

Originally Posted by bluefishman

And she adds: 'I've always wanted a big family - no one can tell me how many kids I can have whether I'm working or not.

No but they could make her pay for them, they won't though.
£42000 a year no doupt that is after tax, me and the mrs don't even earn that befor tax, and we both work at least 40hrs a week, that's it i'm giving up work and having loadsa sprogs, will even be able to afford a merc as well, ****s.

It gets even more depressing when you have to deal with the families that this affects, it's mostly not the kids fault they're the ones stuck in the middle, going without and misbehaving because the foul parents don't give two ****s about them or anyone else. When kids come to school with shoes they've found and their parents refuse to come and collect them when they're ill it's bad enough but when you know full well that their parents went out of their way to get each child screened for disabilities just to fatten up their paycheque it's even worse.