Overtaking in the blackwall tunnel.

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=153089

[Speedy]

Originally Posted by Stu

Really? I'm not so sure in fact reading the contributors to date I reckon that (being as generous to you as I can) :-

1. Stuuk1 Agrees
2. thulfi Agrees
3. Red Herring Disagrees
4. Paul1984 Agrees
5. Sid Squid Disagrees
6. Miss_Undaztood Agrees
7. ranathari Agrees
8. Stu Disagrees
9. arenalife Disagrees
10. busasean Disagrees
11. Sosha Non committal
12. Owenski Disagrees
13. punyXpress Non committal
14. Dicky Ticker Disagrees
15. Ed Non committal
16. Daimo Disagrees
17. mustnt grumble Agrees
18. maxinc Agrees
19. Bear Disagrees
20. Speedy Non committal, just high lighting some hyperthetical possibilities.

Agrees 7 Disagrees 9 Non committal 4
My profuse Apologies if I've misinterpreted anyone's vote.

Apology accepted!!

Hmm, so it's stacking up in my favour... 1 more conversion and I reckon I can claim 3,000,000% of the vote and that the OP agrees with me but doesn't know it yet...

Add 1 disagree to that Stu.

I was told and I firmly believe in what a Bikesafe copper told me: "Where there's space, there's danger" i.e. if a car thinks there's a space to move into they will. With this in mind and the fact that the cars in the tunnel are all travelling at a constant 30mph then doesn't it make it the ideal place for a biker to make progress rather then your average London road?

With regard to car drivers being bullied, wtf is that all about? I've never felt bullied by a bike so I'd pull over for them to go through, after all I'm in a big steel box! One could argue that the driver presented the danger rather than the bike.

what are we being claimed to have agreed to?

Originally Posted by Stu

Really? I'm not so sure in fact reading the contributors to date I reckon that (being as generous to you as I can) :-

1. Stuuk1 Agrees
2. thulfi Agrees
3. Red Herring Disagrees
4. Paul1984 Agrees
5. Sid Squid Disagrees
6. Miss_Undaztood Agrees
7. ranathari Agrees
8. Stu Disagrees
9. arenalife Disagrees
10. busasean Disagrees
11. Sosha Non committal
12. Owenski Disagrees
13. punyXpress Non committal
14. Dicky Ticker Disagrees
15. Ed Non committal
16. Daimo Disagrees
17. mustnt grumble Agrees
18. maxinc Agrees
19. Bear Disagrees
20. Speedy Agrees

Originally Posted by thulfi

Wouldn't go the lengths of saying it would be that dangerous on a bike due to acceleration and size, and defo wouldn't wish anyone to come off - even if they are riding like a tw*t.

My initial post I was kind of thinking of all vehicles, but

Originally Posted by Bear

Yeah, but the OP said you deserve to come off. You don't come off a car. You might come off in one if you're lucky and parked at make out point...

- ya you're right.

To say something is always dangerous in the blackwall tunnel is clearly unfounded, ie the overtaking of a car that's slowing down cos it's running out of petrol in the tunnel at 4am.

Weaving in and out is a different matter.

Originally Posted by monkey

Add 1 disagree to that Stu.
I was told and I firmly believe in what a Bikesafe copper told me: "Where there's space, there's danger" i.e. if a car thinks there's a space to move into they will. With this in mind and the fact that the cars in the tunnel are all travelling at a constant 30mph then doesn't it make it the ideal place for a biker to make progress rather then your average London road?

I similar copper at another Bikesafe said something about the safety bubble. And then came the example at the end with the biker's head crushed under a car because he was filtering at 5mph where there wasn't enough room ... made quite an impression on me.

At the end of the day we are alone on our bike and the most important thing is our own judgement. We all live with the consequences of our own choices, they don't have to be the same choices.

As long as you are being considerate to the others and account for the fact that a lot of them are inexperienced drivers / riders with as much right to be on the tarmac as you, then ... what would be life without risk.

As for me, I will stick with the safe rather than sorry. Being on 2 wheels is adventurous enough

Originally Posted by maxinc

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At the end of the day we are alone on our bike and the most important thing is our own judgement. We all live with the consequences of our own choices, they don't have to be the same choices....

Hear hear.

[Stu]

Originally Posted by Bear

Personally bro I reckon Sosha disagrees: she says the white lines are a really narrow filter lane, but I'll go with it being roughly 50:50!

I've never been able to understand Wimen

[Speedy]

Originally Posted by maxinc

As for me, I will stick with the safe rather than sorry.

I agree.

As I said, I'm non-committal with this.

I think, as has been said already, it's down to the individual in every choice we make, overtake, don't overtake....but it's with experience that our judgements and decisions are affected.

I ride with the attitude, "treat everyone as a muppet".
Now I know, that not everyone on the road is a muppet, but with this in mind, for example, I wouldn't overtake someone when there is a junction to the right, the "muppet" in front, MIGHT decide to turn unexpectedly into that junction......causing me much fury, pain and expense.

So, I ride safe, still have my fun and then live to ride another day too.

Course, someone else could cause an incident and we/you could get caught up in it through no fault of our own.

But that goes hand in hand with doing something we all love.

Riding motorbikes.

[punyXpress]

And I disagree!
BTW: Are there repeater speed limit signs, or is the limit that for a dual-carriageway in the absense of them?