Racism in the UK in 2011

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

I understand what you're saying about it not being age specific, but you've used an example of a school in the 60's & 70's, when racism was rife in this country.

Do you still think that racism is a problem in schools and universities today? I don't mean a very small stupid minority gang that have decided they want to support the BNP, I'm talking about racism to a level where it becomes a problem.

I know for instance that Catholic / Protestant sectarianism is still a problem within schools in some areas, but I was under the impression, rightly or wrongly, that traditional racism against ethnic minority groups, had all but disappeared at that age group.

I can't say one way ot t'other if its a problem in schools but equally I wouldn't say a "very small minority gang" is acceptable either. Is it acceptable to have a minority ethnic group subjected to racism just because its a minority group being racist?

It was a dysfunctional society in Germany in the 1920's-30's that allowed a minority party to bully their way into power. No, it probably won't happen here but not so long ago the BNP didn't have Councillers, or MEP's.

There is a (small) elephant in the room called the BNP, and ignoring it or allowing it carry on as it does because its only hurting a minority doesn't make it ok.

The racism also exists from those ethnic minority groups towards the wasps. I was working in Bradford not so long back, and was advised by the hotel reception that I was the wrong colour to be going out in the city centre of an evening.

Actually Nhs recruitment 10 or so years ago in brum, went to the Philippines to recruit, they got free nurse accommodation and expenses to move here, when uk nurses were fighting to get better wages cos they couldn't survive, stinks IMO.

Wifes just reminded me about the sign on lamp posts in small Heath in brum, no whites after 7pm.
That place is downtown bagdad, rather eat my own waste than go down there anyway.

Originally Posted by B1k3R

What they don't say in this article is the positive discrimination that is going on in the NHS.

there is a reason why positive discrimination exists in the first place.

Originally Posted by B1k3R

Certain places are available for black and asians to further their careers, nothing for the whities. Also in regard to the job applications, the NHS get inundated from non EU applicants trying to get a work permit when their qualifications are not valid (tier 2).

non eu, foreign workers is another issue. We're talking about people being born here, have passports etc, but the only thing differing is name and colour. If then there is discrimination, that's an issue. UK residents should get priority to UK jobs though, as should others from their respective countries.

Originally Posted by thulfi

there is a reason why positive discrimination exists in the first place.

Please enlighten me.

Originally Posted by thulfi

..............We're talking about people being born here, have passports etc, but the only thing differing is name and colour...................

I thought the OP was about racism not country of birth!

[Bri w]

On the back of an Aussie newspaper a few years back, "we're going Pommie bashing." Racist? Don't be silly.

The same newspaper later in the summer, "we're going Paki bashing." Racist?... Depends how you've been brought up I guess.

Originally Posted by Bri w

I wouldn't say a "very small minority gang" is acceptable either

Of course it's not, they should be stamped out, but just because a gang of 2 or 3 bullies exist and need to be dealt with, that doesn't mean the school as a whole has a wider problem of bullying. In the 60's and 70's schools as a whole did have a problem, ethnic minorities were widely bullied, as was the case with your sister. The question I was asking was on a general level, you will get individual bad eggs wherever you go.

Originally Posted by B1k3R

Please enlighten me.

this

Originally Posted by thulfi

Asking companies to employ a set amount of ethnic minorities is sad in it's own right as it shows the ever present racist bias in employment and career opportunities. The very fact these policies are even implemented highlights this.

somewhere down the line, ethnic minorities realised they were being under represented wotever field/job. This can either be because they are always cra-pper at doing the job than the white man, or it's because on some subconscious pyschological level, someone will employ their racial equivalent when all else is equal. It would be naieve not to think this happens in every country in the world, let alone this one.

Originally Posted by B1k3R

I thought the OP was about racism not country of birth!

I meant in terms of NHS/non eu states you mentioned. I don't believe it is racist to give priority to residents/graduates of this country. It is racist however if the brit born black is better than the brit born white, and the white gets the job. That's the point I was making about country of residence/nationality, etc.

As soon as i saw the title of this thread, i knew it'd quickly take off! I've not read any but the first pages yet, but no doubt it'll explode!

Im not racist, but i call everyone and anything. What really winds me up is how i'm unable to differentiate between someone with black skin and someone with white skin without being labelled racist.

People say im white, but i darn't call someone black!

Racism is the majority just some PC ******** sat at the top making a fuss. Don't get me wrong, racism can be an issue, and it isn't acceptable to treat anyone the way some people do.

Also, would you rather be called by the colour of your skin or labeled as Disabled? I think to label someone as disabled is far more demeaning than many insults used regarding colour of skin.

Thanks Ralph, youve set me off again...

Originally Posted by mcgrimes

Thanks Ralph, youve set me off again...

Anytime mate

Asking companies to employ a set amount of ethnic minorities is sad in it's own right as it shows the ever present racist bias in employment and career opportunities. The very fact these policies are even implemented highlights this.

Dont get me started on 'positive discrimination'.

Positive discrimination is just a form of negative discrimination towards another population.

To hire someone on the basis of the colour of skin is almost 100% wrong.