Racist Tram Rant

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by metalangel

The 2001 Census shows White British people are still 86.5% of the population.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/census...d-rankings.xls

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demogra...gdom#Ethnicity

Yes, but there are places where white British are in the minority, like the Idle Biker said in his earlier post and I found the same on a trip to Croydonia a couple of weeks ago, White British are the minority.

But in my home town, its more like 99% white British

[MisterTommyH]

Why does someone who is white British have more right to be here than someone who is 5th or 6th generation non-white British?

I think I can sum up the thoughts of most in 2 lines:
There is no problem with people immigrating,
There is a huge problem with those who fail to integrate.

Its as natural for those who move here to seek solice in areas close to people who share their culture as it is for nationals to feel intimidated by areas coloured by foreign cultre.

As bikers its generally assuemed that we dislike the Audi/BMW crowd because there are those of us who have had a negative experiance with this executive driving style they've been known to adopt. However that is judgment made on the actions of a few which then dictate our opinions of the mass.

IMHO this is no different, if you've had several hard experiances with Asian, Polish, Black or Middle Eastern nationality people then you're more than likely to presume that entire nation are of similar vaine. Rightly or wrongly as that assumtion may be you are no more a criminal than someone who no longer eats BBQ food after hugging porcelin for a weekend after having a dodgy one simply put your experiances have lead you to be wary.

Originally Posted by maviczap

Yes, but there are places where white British are in the minority, like the Idle Biker said in his earlier post and I found the same on a trip to Croydonia a couple of weeks ago, White British are the minority.

But in my home town, its more like 99% white British

So? My office is in a predominantly Asian neighbourhood in Cardiff, it's not a big deal. Are you saying it should be spread evenly throughout the country?

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by metalangel

So? My office is in a predominantly Asian neighbourhood in Cardiff, it's not a big deal. Are you saying it should be spread evenly throughout the country?

No, but your viewpoint maybe affected if you are in the minority

[Binky]

Originally Posted by Owenski

I think I can sum up the thoughts of most in 2 lines:
There is no problem with people immigrating,
There is a huge problem with those who fail to integrate.

Its as natural for those who move here to seek solice in areas close to people who share their culture as it is for nationals to feel intimidated by areas coloured by foreign cultre.

As bikers its generally assuemed that we dislike the Audi/BMW crowd because there are those of us who have had a negative experiance with this executive driving style they've been known to adopt. However that is judgment made on the actions of a few which then dictate our opinions of the mass.

IMHO this is no different, if you've had several hard experiances with Asian, Polish, Black or Middle Eastern nationality people then you're more than likely to presume that entire nation are of similar vaine. Rightly or wrongly as that assumtion may be you are no more a criminal than someone who no longer eats BBQ food after hugging porcelin for a weekend after having a dodgy one simply put your experiances have lead you to be wary.

Pretty sure she's been arrested now. Read it somewhere...

Originally Posted by maviczap

No, but your viewpoint maybe affected if you are in the minority

On the one hand, it is a bit unusual the first time you experience being the ethnic minority (for me it ,was going to Barbados). But on the other, those around you may look different but they're still British, right? I don't walk through Canton, see all the folks from India who make the up majority of the population here and think they're all out to take my job and lifestyle away any more than I think the (white) Welsh people five minute's walk away in the city centre are.

What I wasn't sure of from bluefishman's post was the comment about 'picking your fight'. I don't want to read something unpleasant into it.

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by metalangel

On the one hand, it is a bit unusual the first time you experience being the ethnic minority (for me it ,was going to Barbados). But on the other, those around you may look different but they're still British, right? I don't walk through Canton, see all the folks from India who make the up majority of the population here and think they're all out to take my job and lifestyle away any more than I think the (white) Welsh people five minute's walk away in the city centre are.

True

[timwilky]

Strange isn't it. As a football fan and season ticket holder, I certainly do not see the racism on the terraces that existed in the 70s. Gone are the days of crowds monkey chants. Although it is probably more underground in that you can educate people about what is acceptable behavoir. You cannot however educate them about what are acceptable thoughts (thank god).

Racism is the result of ignorance, a fear and dislike of the unknown. Like many I do claim to have black and asian friends. However, these friends are all professionals. they live in normal communities and are as integrated and English as the next. Although, they all hold onto their cultural and religious heritage.

I have worked all over the world and generally felt quite safe. Kids all over have shout "hello mister" in China, Indonesia, etc. Proud to be able to say something in English. Only once in Hong Kong did I feel I was in an area I should not be.

I can understand resentment from the "under classes" who feel disadvantaged as a result of immigration. But without immigration the NHS would be desperately short of doctors. The traditional mill towns of Lancashire are ghetto towns resulting from the import of cheap 50s fodder for the mills brought in from the sub continent and 3 generations of deprivation and ignorance. I hear muttering about eastern Europeans who will no doubt be accused and treated as badly.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Owenski

I think I can sum up the thoughts of most in 2 lines:
There is no problem with people immigrating,
There is a huge problem with those who fail to integrate.

Its as natural for those who move here to seek solice in areas close to people who share their culture as it is for nationals to feel intimidated by areas coloured by foreign cultre.

As bikers its generally assuemed that we dislike the Audi/BMW crowd because there are those of us who have had a negative experiance with this executive driving style they've been known to adopt. However that is judgment made on the actions of a few which then dictate our opinions of the mass.

IMHO this is no different, if you've had several hard experiances with Asian, Polish, Black or Middle Eastern nationality people then you're more than likely to presume that entire nation are of similar vaine. Rightly or wrongly as that assumtion may be you are no more a criminal than someone who no longer eats BBQ food after hugging porcelin for a weekend after having a dodgy one simply put your experiances have lead you to be wary.

I think this, might be a nice illustration............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RS3iB47nQ6E