Smokin!

I'm reading about rights and freedom of choice. Seriously, do they really outweigh people's health? Surely, the decision to make our society healthier is more important.

But you have the choice of going to a bar. If they're all smokey I don't really have that choice.

Stop smoking and use the money you've saved for a decent chain for your bike. That's your problem solved too

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Originally Posted by Jelster

Stop smoking and use the money you've saved for a decent chain for your bike. That's your problem solved too

The strongest arguement for the ban that I've read so far.

Originally Posted by philipMac

When I go to bars, I am worried that my bike will be stolen. So I bring it in with me. I am also worried about starting her. So I leave her running in the bar.

Then they brought in the no-running motor bike ban into effect.

Ooh. I was so angry. I saw it as a violation of my human rights to run my sv in my local pub!

I doubt the land lord would stand for that, it's his private property, his decision to make. This is something that people seem to be forgetting. Whether a pub allows smoking or not shouldnt be anyone elses business but the land lords. If smoking is so horrible, then surely making their pub non smoking is something land lords would go for by their own accord as it would make them more profitable?

Now we just need to get smokers to stop standing at the entrance to the office, bus stops so there is no need to walk through haze to get through

But seriously - I do think its great we can go to a cafe or restaurant and not have to worry about someone elses ignorance spoiling it. The only people to blaim for this law is smokers themselves - if they showed some respect when smoking in these areas maybe they would have got a better deal.

That would only work for the old style privately owned pubs. Also even the privately owned ones are still a place of work so fall under all the leagal obligations as anywhere else.

The bit I will miss most is having a smoke after a nice meal with a glass of brandy.

Originally Posted by Gmonsta

But seriously - I do think its great we can go to a cafe or restaurant and not have to worry about someone elses ignorance spoiling it. The only people to blaim for this law is smokers themselves - if they showed some respect when smoking in these areas maybe they would have got a better deal.

Nicely put.

Originally Posted by philipMac

Also, the argument that ciggies pay the govt money; not true. Health costs of attending to smokers out wieghs the the tax revenues.

Utter crap, as previously stated the revenue from taxation on tobacco products in the uk totals £50 billion, cost to NHS to treat smoking related illness £28 billion, i make that a surpluss of £22 billion, these are figures quoted by a serving MP.

Originally Posted by Jelster

Leigh, that's complete crap....

I don't go to pubs & bars BECAUSE I don't want to be covered in smoke. This way smokers can still go, but not to smoke. There, problem solved....

Why should I be subjected to somebody smoking next to me when I'm eating? My only choice is to sit there or leave, fantastic evening that turned out to be.

Smoking is as much anti social as it is a "social" pastime....

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As mentioned above, most restaurants are non smoking now so thats not a reason at all. If not, they are split into smoking and non smoking sections. If you were THAT concerned about it, you would ask to be as far away from the smoking section as possible? Thats just using commen sense?

I eat in pubs still that are smoking, but are not smokey?

"Smoking is as much anti social as it is a "social" pastime.... "

Totally agree, but now its gone from smoking/non smoking places to Non smoking places period. This is unfair on smokers is it not as they do not have the rights of a non smoker?

Sorry mate, your in a wheelchair. You can come in, but you have to use the stairs????

That person is in a wheelchair, they don't have a choice. Just an example, no offence meant to anyone disabled.

Whenever I hear smokers going on about their 'rights', I'm always reminded of this story which was posted on the net by someone from the US:

I think the war between the smokers and non-smokers is heating up a bit. I went into a restaurant for lunch the other day and, as is my practice, requested a table in the "no smoking" section. They seated me, and I went about the business of ordering and eating my food.

Somewhere between the clam chowder and a club sandwich, I caught the smell of nearby burning tobacco. Upon looking around, I noticed the man in the booth next to me smoking a freshly lit cigarette.

Overcoming my natural reticence regarding confrontation, I spoke to the man. "Excuse me, sir, but, when you came in, did you ask to be seated in the no-smoking section?"

"Yes, I don't like the smell of smoke when I am eating any more than anyone else."

I asked, "Then why are you smoking that cigarette?"

"I've finished eating."

Silly me, it was obvious to the most casual observer.

I called the server over and made her aware of the situation. She pointed out to the man that he was smoking in a No Smoking section (I suspect this was not a startling revelation) and went away with his assurance that he was just leaving.

Of course he didn't leave until he had finished that cigarette and lit another. But at least he did finally go.

Apparently he had noticed the motorcycle helmet and jacket I was wearing when I came in, because in a minute or so, I noticed him eyeing the Harley parked by the front door. He took out a small notebook, wrote something on a leaf from it, tore off the note, and placed it between the seat and gas tank.

His next action took me completely off guard. He looked straight in the window at me, then put his foot against the gas tank and shoved the motorcycle over on its side. He then spun around and ran smack into a very large, bearded fellow who apparently owned the Harley.

That which ensued netted him at least one broken bone and hopefully a little jail time. After the police had come and gone, I helped the bearded gentleman right his bike, and noticed the note the man had left. I unfolded it and read: "This will teach you to mess with smoker's rights."

I laughed and handed the note to the cigar-chewing biker. I then went around to the other side of the building, got on my BMW, and went back to work.