Muhammted

Its terrible news but I often think that we should bring back flogging in this country. Prison is too soft

Am I the only one that thinks if it was the choice between a year in prison or 40 lashes, I'd go for the lashes

Originally Posted by robchester

Its terrible news but I often think that we should bring back flogging in this country. Prison is too soft

Yeah, 'cos back in the day when the authorities maimed and killed in the name of 'justice', crime was so much lower

Originally Posted by furrybean

Am I the only one that thinks if it was the choice between a year in prison or 40 lashes, I'd go for the lashes

thats what i thought........until i read this................

Originally Posted by philipMac

These lashes may not be what you are imagining here.
People regularly die after being lashed, a healthy young man getting say 80 lashes at one time may very well die from shock, or heart failure shortly after the event.

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here is 40 reasons why i wouldnt want to recieve 40 lashes.....let alone subjct a 50 year old woman to it......thats like my mother having to be lashed....i dont think she would survive let alone ever recover.

Appalling. I thought that Allah was sposed to be 'all merciful' but I don't see any mercy here.

As for the photo - bunch of savages *disgust*

If this was really a crime in the name of god, it should be up to god to make the decision on 'judgement day'. This is just cheap kicks for angry men.

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That picture is mob rule, the person doing the lashings should have a copy of the Koran under his arm to make sure he cannot lift his arm high enough to give a severe beating - funny that they forget about that isn't it. This is just an excuse for the ignorant to exert power.

This is why I'm outspoken about religion. Islam - only because it is topical: I'm as interested in Christianity and Judaism however they tend to be very uneducated about their own religion and don't practice every detail so don't appear so radical.

One of the most sickening aspects of this is the complete lack of help offered by British Muslims; most articles I've read (look at the BBC for counter arguments, there are some amazingly) have been British Muslims saying they don't agree with the punishment/ruling. Where are the Muslims in places of power using this influence for benefit? By being quiet this only encourages and supports these views which quickly spread across both the Middle East and the UK. When Muslims next complain about their religion having a bad reputation they've only got themselves to blame.

Just to elaborate / explain what I said earlier, the skin is an organ, and being lashed over and over with a cane, or leather strips (which is what I think they also use) will result in damage to that organ that would be equivalent to 3rd or 4th degree burns.

Third degree burn: The epidemis and dermis are damaged. No blisters appear, but white, brown, or black tissue and thrombosed vessels are visible
Fourth degree burn: Damage extends through deeply charred subcutaneous tissue to muscle and bone

You are going to experience far worse hygiene than you would have had you been burned, (since the burn will actually sterilise the site) any infectious agents will actually be driven inside your muscles, into your blood and body. This can cause septicemia, which means that your body basically mounts an immune response on your blood. You will then go into what's called "shock", and this is a very bad thing. Almost certain death at this point.

You are also going to probably not be taken care of, and thrown in a filthy cell for a few days, almost guaranteeing serious infection.

What your doctor will consider to be very serious / life threatening would be 3rd/4th deg burns over 10% of your body. There is an incredibly high level of mortality with burns over any reasonable amount of skin. Anything above 10% can result in death, *when treated in a hospital*, when you hit around >30% you are looking at a 50/50 chance of dieing.

Now, that's not even considering any other damage the flogging can do, it will probably also cause serious damage to muscle and to other tissues. Flogging can often resemble 4th degree burns interspersed with 3rd degree. A lot of damage will be permanent.
So, basically death is very much an option.

Not a nice way to go.

Of course, a lot these same enlightened countries will put you in a pit and smash you to death with rocks for being gay, or having sex outside marriage.



*Note... One of the reasons I looked at this was my uncle was arrested in Saudi for drug smuggling.
They wanted a white man, with a beard. They found one. It wasn't until his company that sent him out there (Ericson's for the record) stepped in, and suggested that he looked nothing like the man they were after was he released.
He was locked away for about 3 days, he isnt clear.
He never, ever said a word about it to any one. Ever. I think he more or less came to terms with being tortured to death. When he returned to Ireland, he wanted to be alone and see no one, and moved to the UK shortly afterwards. I am not sure if this had anything to do with it, but I think he was seriously changed by those three days.

Suffices to say he is not a huge fan of Sharia law.