Another prison suicide

Originally Posted by neio79

However i am sure milton Keynes is a cat C prison where white collar crims go like fraudsters dodgy accountants and alike ones that are not violent. still they should still be thrown into a cess pit and left to rot for their term.

Cat A

http://www.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/pr...,15,2,15,407,0

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Cat A

http://www.hmprisonservice.gov.uk/pr...,15,2,15,407,0

fair enough

You guys seem to be forgetting that prison takes away a person's freedom. IT suite or no IT suite, it still does just that.

I'm also guessing the majority of the 'prison's too soft' posters have never actually spent anytime in prison (and I don't mean an open day), so no-one has had their freedom taken away and can really know what it is like.

To be honest, I don't really care how cushy it may look from the outside, I wouldn't want to give up my freedom at any cost and I think many people here are under-estimating what kind of an impact this can have on a person.

Originally Posted by lukemillar

You guys seem to be forgetting that prison takes away a person's freedom. IT suite or no IT suite, it still does just that.

I'm also guessing the majority of the 'prison's too soft' posters have never actually spent anytime in prison (and I don't mean an open day), so no-one has had their freedom taken away and can really know what it is like.

To be honest, I don't really care how cushy it may look from the outside, I wouldn't want to give up my freedom at any cost and I think many people here are under-estimating what kind of an impact this can have on a person.

No i agree a little bit, lack of freedom is a punishment in itself. But that is meant to be part of the punishment, and why should it be made any eaiser for them to get on with it?? giving them all thers facilitys is just makingthe punishment eaiser for them when my whole point is that prison should be as hard as possible to deter people. If it was a ok experiance then the deterent is not going to stop people from re offending is it?? if hey know the risk is worth it.

Having ben o ntour in Iraq and other places i know what having your freedom taken from you is like. Ok i was there with my mates and we had a lot of facilities( not to disimilaf from a prison then) but we could not just go down town, go on a bike go for a walk in the country, away from friends and family etc, we were restricted in what we could and could not do. Yes its for our own saftey as i hear downtown Basah is not the best night out. But the point is the facilities we had for us made life barable and eaiser to get on with things, while we missed family and friends back home, we dont get visits do we??

so as you can tell i dont really think your post holds any water.

Originally Posted by neio79

so as you can tell i dont really think your post holds any water.

Good for you! We are all entitled to our opinions. I personally don't think your posts hold much water either but each to their own!

Originally Posted by Lozzo

A few years ago I visited HMP Woodhill in Milton Keynes on an open day, before it was officially opened to accept prisoners. My mate's dad was an officer there and showed us around. They had everything, a gym that was better than any I'd seen before or since, educational facilities better than the ones at my daughters' private school, an IT suite that was state of the art in its day, the list goes on. The cells were absolute luxury compared to the barracks dorm I suffered/shared with my colleagues when I first joined the forces.

During the trip we bumped into the newly appointed Governor, Brodie Clark IIRC, and I asked him how I could spend more time there. He advised me to apply for a job with the Home Office as a Prison Officer, he wasn't happy when I said I'd rather be on the other side of the fence because the facilities were better for the inmates.

Prison is too soft

Well they call prisons correction facilities which I think explains the problem. It should be called house of hell or so. You should be fearing prison as people do in Thailand!

Originally Posted by neio79

No i agree a little bit, lack of freedom is a punishment in itself. But that is meant to be part of the punishment, and why should it be made any eaiser for them to get on with it?? giving them all thers facilitys is just makingthe punishment eaiser for them when my whole point is that prison should be as hard as possible to deter people. If it was a ok experiance then the deterent is not going to stop people from re offending is it?? if hey know the risk is worth it.

Having ben o ntour in Iraq and other places i know what having your freedom taken from you is like. Ok i was there with my mates and we had a lot of facilities( not to disimilaf from a prison then) but we could not just go down town, go on a bike go for a walk in the country, away from friends and family etc, we were restricted in what we could and could not do. Yes its for our own saftey as i hear downtown Basah is not the best night out. But the point is the facilities we had for us made life barable and eaiser to get on with things, while we missed family and friends back home, we dont get visits do we??

so as you can tell i dont really think your post holds any water.

If prison is so easy, why aren't suspects falling over themselves to plead guilty?

Nothing you say makes sense with respect to reducing crime at all, all you're talking about is getting revenge on convicts. Might make you feel better, but ultimately crime would rise not fall.

Originally Posted by Dave The Rave

Well they call prisons correction facilities which I think explains the problem. It should be called house of hell or so. You should be fearing prison as people do in Thailand!

Is Thialand a crime free paradise as a result? NO!

No wonder most people think the justice system is crap, they've not got a clue.

Totally with FS on this one, but the real point of the thread is that we should not be locking up 15 year olds save in exceptional circumstances.

Originally Posted by Ed

Totally with FS on this one, but the real point of the thread is that we should not be locking up 15 year olds save in exceptional circumstances.

Yes!! we should lock up any one who breaks the law and shows no respect for it like this kid did.

what would you call exceptional circumstances?? murder rape?? but its ok for him to burgle and rob, steal cars etc because they are not exceptional??

He was well over the age of criminal responsability so lifes a bit*h eh??