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Old 12-12-08, 06:22 PM   #71
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But anyway, hippiness aside. If it were your kid, your wife, your sister ... YOU would be down the pub buying a gun.
Thought of another one... As stated, thankfully I'm not in that position, but unfortunately there are a hell of a lot of people out there who are. Victims, direct or indirect of this sort of crime - now, there's far far more of these people than there are dead rapists. So whilst undoubtedly most of these people feel like going down the pub and buying a gun the fact of the matter is that the massively vast majority of them don't.

Except the particular bunch involved in todays act (and I'm very much guessing here, but we haven't got any idea as yet if these people were victims or just a mindless riled mob with no connection to their victim other than reading about a "paedo on their patch").

So, horrible thought, but going on the evidence of previous victims, the odds are heavily stacked that I WOULDN'T be down the pub buying a gun. Not claiming that I wouldn't want to by any stretch.
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Old 12-12-08, 06:28 PM   #72
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It's one thing to think about it, it's another thing entirely to actually plan and do something like that up close and personal to another human being. Anyone capable of that level of cruelty is a real threat to society. And yep, the exact same thing can be said for the rapist - the rapist is no better than the torturing murderous mob and the torturing murderous mob is no better than the rapist.
You're only half right IMO there MiniMatt. YC on the other hand, I fully agree with unreservedly, having been in a similar position to one he details.

I did type out a full explanation, but thought better of it TBH.
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Old 12-12-08, 07:17 PM   #73
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I find myself repeating the same argument over and over again. If the punishment for rape is death then it is not in a rapist's interest to leave their victims alive. If the punishment for rape is death then unfortunately this will not prevent rape (the punishment for murder in much of the US is death but murders still happen - far more than they do here coincidentally). What you are suggesting as an improvement to criminal justice is for every rape victim to be murdered.
I don't think anyone is listening to your sage advice.

May I offer you a wall to bang your head against?

Seems people are far more interested in revenge than justice, or even maintaining a civilised society.
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Old 12-12-08, 07:23 PM   #74
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If you look at how many of our inner city gangs operate you will find a blueprint for how it goes when you debunk the civilised process of law and order.Tempting though it may be(superficially) to go down that route a short consultation with ones brain cells soon shows the folly of it.Thats assuming "one" has any brain cells.
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Old 12-12-08, 07:38 PM   #75
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The perpetrators deserve a Knighthood for this, its what the courts should be doing in the first place.
I suppose that these people deserve a knighthood too:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/au...ection.society

No, what they actually deserve is to be locked up for a long time. Which is what is likely to happen to them once they're caught.
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Old 13-12-08, 04:45 PM   #76
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'a bunch of flowers was laid by a 15-year-old called Lucy. She said: 'I used to go round his caravan instead of going to school. He never laid a finger on me. He told me to go back to school.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...te-attack.html
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Old 13-12-08, 09:15 PM   #77
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100% is not right. No-one should take the law into their own hands.
This is why we have courts, jurys and prisons so that the person is found guilty and sentenced appropiately.
Ha ha ha ha ha ha!!

Do you have any idea how many things I may/or may not have gotten away with in my 30 years?? I wasn't a very nice person 10 years ago and would've thrown someone off a bridge for looking at me the wrong way.

I happen to be a well adjusted human being now (well, reasonably!!) but the law, police or legal system did f all to protect the people I inflicted myself upon.

The police have also never managed to catch anybody who has stolen from me, I however have caught up with EVERY one of them!

I'm not saying that vigilantism is right or wrong, just that the law and legal system as well as the prison system can't deal with the society we live in!

I'm not gonna voice my opinion of what should be done to Pedophiles as this is a U rated forum and I may also sicken a few of you as my views can be a bit extreme sometimes!

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Old 13-12-08, 09:33 PM   #78
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No and this is a proven fact. Like alcoholics, sex offenders are that way for life. They are wired up wrong in the head - shrinks like to think they can change them - but for them to change they need to realise what they did is wrong. Sex offenders see nothing wrong with what they did, so to them they did no wrong.

They may appear to be rehabilitated because they know what the shrinks want to hear in order for them to be released.
Yet again Mike speaks the truth.
I could see qwack after qwack ,and they could do their worst...but Id still be a hetrosexual
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