Public Sector Pay Cuts

[Messie]

I really don't understand this 'them and us' attitude. It's a symbiotic relationship - we all, to a greater or lesser extent, depend on each other.
A whole bunch of hard working people, private and public workers, do a damn fine job, which may be at risk in these difficult times.

I fail to see how arguing one lot against the other is helpful to anyone

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

Think I will listen to my supt thanks.

Nae need for that!!

All bosses are putting the wind up everybody. I've heard numerous rumours about the contributions going up, yet nobody has managed to produce a shred of evidence that they are. In that light, your Super has as much evidence of that as Bugs Bunny! If nobody challenges the situation then they'll get away with it...

[timwilky]

Originally Posted by Messie

I really don't understand this 'them and us' attitude. It's a symbiotic relationship - we all, to a greater or lesser extent, depend on each other.
A whole bunch of hard working people, private and public workers, do a damn fine job, which may be at risk in these difficult times.

I fail to see how arguing one lot against the other is helpful to anyone

there is no relationship, We work for our living, public sector take from us. Yes you are going to argue that you pay tax too. So what, you still get to keep the vast majority of our money.

Yes, I know most people do a damm fine job. But Messie, ask yourself how many teachers have been sacked for incompetence? The public sector allows the shirkers to hide amongst the workers.

I would question every position created in the public service over the past 15 years, why does that job exist? and what happens if nobody was to do it.

A good example in my book is would anyone miss the road safety partnerships most districts seem to run? Except the people who are payed by them.

[Biker Biggles]

Divide and rule.Its classic methodology for our leaders and "betters".Reading through this I do recognise the wasters described sitting in cushy made up jobs doing little badly and getting paid for it,but from my experience these tend to be managerial or supervisory jobs.There is a whole class of desk drivers in Britain who live in this cuccoon some of them very well paid,but my expereience of public sector shopfloor workers is very different.Contrary to the propaganda public sector pay at the lower end of the scale is very low,often around the minimum wage,and as such is no better and often worse than the private sector.These people do not have jobs for life,and are subject to a regime of performance management just like anywhere else,and can be got rid of if deemed incapable.Incapable managers however do seem to be protected by their peers and its these who get moved into made up jobs and looked after.
But who is going to bear the brunt of any cuts?It will be the low paid footsoldiers of course just like it always is.

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by timwilky

there is no relationship, We work for our living, public sector take from us. Yes you are going to argue that you pay tax too. So what, you still get to keep the vast majority of our money.

Yes, I know most people do a damm fine job. But Messie, ask yourself how many teachers have been sacked for incompetence? The public sector allows the shirkers to hide amongst the workers.

I would question every position created in the public service over the past 15 years, why does that job exist? and what happens if nobody was to do it.

A good example in my book is would anyone miss the road safety partnerships most districts seem to run? Except the people who are payed by them.

So who educated you and your kin Tim, public sector workers

Yes, there are losts of non jobs that should be abolished.

Yes, there are incompetent teachers, but there's lots of incompetent people in jobs on both sides of the fence.

Top of the list - Bankers

Nelson you need to watch those fed reps mate, their only looking after there own backs-on a supers wage with none of the hassel- best job in the police, why you think that there's a big clamber for there positions when they come up?.Don't listen to them there full of $hite

Originally Posted by husky03

Nelson you need to watch those fed reps mate, their only looking after there own backs-on a supers wage with none of the hassel- best job in the police, why you think that there's a big clamber for there positions when they come up?.Don't listen to them there full of $hite

+1.

I really don't see what benefit my Supt would have in telling us pension contributions were going up. At the end of the day said it was discussed at the last Supt's Association meeting as they were all opposing it but were pretty much told, tough.

Originally Posted by Nelson

Nae need for that!!

All bosses are putting the wind up everybody. I've heard numerous rumours about the contributions going up, yet nobody has managed to produce a shred of evidence that they are. In that light, your Super has as much evidence of that as Bugs Bunny! If nobody challenges the situation then they'll get away with it...

This a lot of things going about the moment, the only one I know is true is that shifts are going to change to what well...everything else well it changes on a daily basis so nothing is for sure. Yes I have heard the above one too, its an old one been around for years.

I think no matter what happens were are all going shafted...

Originally Posted by husky03

Nelson you need to watch those fed reps mate, their only looking after there own backs-on a supers wage with none of the hassel- best job in the police, why you think that there's a big clamber for there positions when they come up?.Don't listen to them there full of $hite

The ones actually working for the Fed in their ivory towers get duly ignored, but I do have a genuine belief that the shift working PC fed rep at our station truly does have our interests at heart, and I can see no benefit to him hiding things from us.

I'd suggest your Super has told you this in advance, in order to soften the blow for when something does actually happen.

Best way to look at it is-your gonna get pumped,pumped hard, pumped deep,its gonna be sore, your not gonna like it,but if its your calling you'll put up with it.

Then in a few years they'll tell you things are changing for the better and it'll all start again