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Balky001 · 28-06-06, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by northwind

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Originally Posted by Balky001

I think the best examples are speedway riders, full lock right to go left. Once you visualise that (without the sliding!) counter steering makes more sense

Do you ride on the road like a speedway rider?

No, they don't get their knees down unless they have come off!

28-06-06, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by northwind

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Originally Posted by skidmarx

I don't think that the word 'rubbish' is helpful or warranted when applied to others posts.

Yeah, I'd agree with that. You suck, Flaming Squirrel

Yeah that's true, sorry, my bad

28-06-06, 04:26 PM

What worries me over the confusion of countersteering in some riders - espescially new riders - is that without a coherant explaination of the differences in steering a bike above and below about 15 mph surely the potenial for highspeed highsides is increased.

Which, let's face it, is never a good thing.

Yet again, education at early stages of training is the key - but in the interests of simplicity, economy, whatever, this isn't done - and I wonder how many accidents it could have prevented or lessened the impact of.

Typical scenario - travelling down a clear road and something (be it hidden junction, wayward child, stupidity etc) requires a rapid change of direction for the bike. The first thing a hell of a lot of riders do (if not grabbing a handful of brake) is to yank the handle bars in the direction they want to go to avoid collision.
At low speeds this will work - medium and perhaps you'll fishtail it to a standstill with you heart in your mouth - higher = chances are the front wheel is going to dig in and you have, I believe, a highside.

Perhaps better early training, clearer training and more simple clarification on the mysteries of actively countersteering will help override that panic response to turn the bars the 'right' way - leading to an conditioned reflex to turn them the 'wrong' way for a faster, cleaner safer aversion technique.

Disabuse the myths and start treating it as simply how you ride a motorbike. No different to how you twist the throttle or pull in the clutch. It's a simple mechanism of riding.

Just like turning into a skid is a simple mechanism of driving.

Or maybe I'm just feeling a philosophically crappy today! Who knows?

28-06-06, 04:37 PM

I suppose it comes back to basics. Should a CBT instructor explain counter steering? It is a given that we all do it. So how do we get around those first teetering moments around the cones? :P

Or in the afternoon when you are let loose to play with the cars and manhole covers. No one shows you, No one explains how to turn the motorcycle

28-06-06, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Balky001

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Originally Posted by Jelster

Ride down a straight road (with no traffic) along the centre line. Gently "jab" the right bar away from you and the bike immeadiately turns to the left and then back upright.

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Jelster, if you push the right bar forward, it will lean to the right. Are you saying that although you are leaning to the right the bike goes left?

Ah ha, you spotted the error.... You can see I was busy today can't you....

It should read.....

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Originally Posted by Jelster

Ride down a straight road (with no traffic) along the centre line. Gently "jab" the right bar away from you and the bike immeadiately turns to the right and then back upright.

Well spotted, go to the top of the class.......

But it is a good excercise for anyone who has never "conciously" counter steered before....

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28-06-06, 07:06 PM

Jelster thank heavens you popped back in here. I could not believe what you had first written.

Stu · 29-06-06, 01:17 AM

I think it should be considered for the CBT, because I managed to learn it just from reading this thread.

21QUEST · 29-06-06, 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by stu369

I think it should be considered for the CBT, because I managed to learn it just from reading this thread.

I'll have to disagree. It has been pointed out that you do it anyway so no point in over complicating things at that point.

Cheers
Ben

Balky001 · 29-06-06, 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by 21QUEST

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Originally Posted by stu369

I think it should be considered for the CBT, because I managed to learn it just from reading this thread.

I'll have to disagree. It has been pointed out that you do it anyway so no point in over complicating things at that point.

Cheers
Ben

Maybe not CBT, but our DAS instructor (who also did our CBT) was pretty thorough on the theory of counter steering. He also let us filter too so he was a pretty cool guy all together

29-06-06, 11:58 AM

dunno if the original poster is still watching

but i wanted to learn to corner better too, as my riding is all commuting to work and that means straight lines only

i went out with a group of guys i know for a ride round some coutnry roads, and i've done a bit more twisty riding since, and my approach was to segregate the things i needed to learn into bits and only move onto the next once i'd incorporated the previous bit into my natural riding.

i started by sorting out my lines - moving on the road to see the furthest round the corner, and moving in as i go through it. after that i started to lean and try to move my body about a bit - and this is where i am now - still trying to incorporate that moving my body into my natural riding. after that i'm going to try actively countersteering.

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28-06-06, 04:26 PM	#73
K Guest Posts: n/a	What worries me over the confusion of countersteering in some riders - espescially new riders - is that without a coherant explaination of the differences in steering a bike above and below about 15 mph surely the potenial for highspeed highsides is increased. Which, let's face it, is never a good thing. Yet again, education at early stages of training is the key - but in the interests of simplicity, economy, whatever, this isn't done - and I wonder how many accidents it could have prevented or lessened the impact of. Typical scenario - travelling down a clear road and something (be it hidden junction, wayward child, stupidity etc) requires a rapid change of direction for the bike. The first thing a hell of a lot of riders do (if not grabbing a handful of brake) is to yank the handle bars in the direction they want to go to avoid collision. At low speeds this will work - medium and perhaps you'll fishtail it to a standstill with you heart in your mouth - higher = chances are the front wheel is going to dig in and you have, I believe, a highside. Perhaps better early training, clearer training and more simple clarification on the mysteries of actively countersteering will help override that panic response to turn the bars the 'right' way - leading to an conditioned reflex to turn them the 'wrong' way for a faster, cleaner safer aversion technique. Disabuse the myths and start treating it as simply how you ride a motorbike. No different to how you twist the throttle or pull in the clutch. It's a simple mechanism of riding. Just like turning into a skid is a simple mechanism of driving. Or maybe I'm just feeling a philosophically crappy today! Who knows?

28-06-06, 04:37 PM	#74
wheelnut Guest Posts: n/a	I suppose it comes back to basics. Should a CBT instructor explain counter steering? It is a given that we all do it. So how do we get around those first teetering moments around the cones? :P Or in the afternoon when you are let loose to play with the cars and manhole covers. No one shows you, No one explains how to turn the motorcycle

28-06-06, 07:06 PM	#76
Peter Henry Guest Posts: n/a	Jelster thank heavens you popped back in here. I could not believe what you had first written.

29-06-06, 01:17 AM	#77
Stu Trinity Mega Poster Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Guildford Posts: 8,027	I think it should be considered for the CBT, because I managed to learn it just from reading this thread.

29-06-06, 11:58 AM	#80
muffles Guest Posts: n/a	dunno if the original poster is still watching but i wanted to learn to corner better too, as my riding is all commuting to work and that means straight lines only i went out with a group of guys i know for a ride round some coutnry roads, and i've done a bit more twisty riding since, and my approach was to segregate the things i needed to learn into bits and only move onto the next once i'd incorporated the previous bit into my natural riding. i started by sorting out my lines - moving on the road to see the furthest round the corner, and moving in as i go through it. after that i started to lean and try to move my body about a bit - and this is where i am now - still trying to incorporate that moving my body into my natural riding. after that i'm going to try actively countersteering.