When the brakes are not strong enough, use a bush...

[yorkie_chris]

You're a right patronising ar$e, aren't you.

Originally Posted by kwh

I'm not an SV650 rider or a member of this community, I'm just a passing stranger. But with respect, this thread isn't forceful enough if it hasn't persuaded the original poster to get himself some training as a matter of extreme urgency. Preferably before he rides the bike again.

If there had been say a concrete drainage channel or a bit of farm machinery between him and the hedge where he went straight on in that gentle right hand bend, this would be a condolence thread. And if you go straight on at three right-handers in one ride, and don't hit any pedestrians, high kerbs, walls or road furniture, then you have been extraordinarily lucky.

This is compounded by the fact that the OP clearly doesn't understand why this happened, and is blaming all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the matter and not the actual causes, gross deficiencies in his riding skills. Which means that he is not able to learn from the mistakes on his own and fix them because he doesn't know enough to know that they are mistakes...

See http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...18/MN73840.DTL

...so he is doomed to repeat them. And he will surely die of it sooner rather than later if he does.

It would be nicer for his friends to tell him gently, cajole him, and give him a year or so to get used to the idea that he needs to sort some training, sure, but he won't live that long. I'd have thought that every ride he survives unscathed is a triumph of fortune over probability and there is no way he will survive the summer.



Oh, and to the OP, I'd go and kick the bloke you paid to teach you to ride in the ******** right now, because you won't be able to after he has killed you.



By the way, I'm only posting here at all because I reckon I spotted a stranger on the internet who is living on borrowed time without realising and I thought it would be nice if somebody stopped him killing himself. I have no axe to grind with the OP, don't even know the first thing about him. Except that he's going to die on a motorcycle very soon unless he gets some help.

Talk about looking at things the bad way. As said by others above your second post, people have ridden with him and have said that he is doing fine. From the videos he looks good too.

I don't understand why you are so destined that he will bloody die lol.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by plowsie

I don't understand why you are so destined that he will bloody die lol.

Because he's never made a mistake, so knows best of course

Originally Posted by plowsie

I think you have come along to put it a little bit more in Seggons's face

Yep, well spotted.

No, I'm not a troll.

Yes, I really do think he is going to kill himself soon. No, I'm not alone - there seems to be a consensus out there on the internet that he won't survive very long at all if he carries on riding the way he is.

I don't think he can fix what is wrong with his riding on his own, certainly not before the grim reaper catches up with him, hence coming here shouting the odds about him getting some training right now.

For all I know he's a great bloke in every other respect, and you'd be right if you said that him killing himself or not on a bike is none of my business strictly speaking, but... well... would you say nothing if you thought you saw a stranger about to do something suicidally stupid in front of you?

Anyway, that's me done.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Because he's never made a mistake, so knows best of course

See his blog, he has

[21QUEST]

Originally Posted by kwh

I'm not an SV650 rider or a member of this community, I'm just a passing stranger. But with respect, this thread isn't forceful enough if it hasn't persuaded the original poster to get himself some training as a matter of extreme urgency. Preferably before he rides the bike again.

If there had been say a concrete drainage channel or a bit of farm machinery between him and the hedge where he went straight on in that gentle right hand bend, this would be a condolence thread. And if you go straight on at three right-handers in one ride, and don't hit any pedestrians, high kerbs, walls or road furniture, then you have been extraordinarily lucky.

This is compounded by the fact that the OP clearly doesn't understand why this happened, and is blaming all sorts of things that have nothing to do with the matter and not the actual causes, gross deficiencies in his riding skills. Which means that he is not able to learn from the mistakes on his own and fix them because he doesn't know enough to know that they are mistakes...

See http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...18/MN73840.DTL

...so he is doomed to repeat them. And he will surely die of it sooner rather than later if he does.

It would be nicer for his friends to tell him gently, cajole him, and give him a year or so to get used to the idea that he needs to sort some training, sure, but he won't live that long. I'd have thought that every ride he survives unscathed is a triumph of fortune over probability and there is no way he will survive the summer.



Oh, and to the OP, I'd go and kick the bloke you paid to teach you to ride in the ******** right now, because you won't be able to after he has killed you.



By the way, I'm only posting here at all because I reckon I spotted a stranger on the internet who is living on borrowed time without realising and I thought it would be nice if somebody stopped him killing himself. I have no axe to grind with the OP, don't even know the first thing about him. Except that he's going to die on a motorcycle very soon unless he gets some help.

....and at this point, if I were the OP, I'll be saying/asking all the folks 'spurting', "why do you give a fook if I live long or dies old, mister?". Ending with, "Look mister, I don't give a fook about you opinion but......Ta muchly"


Ben

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by kwh

Yes, I really do think he is going to kill himself soon. No, I'm not alone - there seems to be a consensus out there on the internet that he won't survive very long at all if he carries on riding the way he is.

The first off road trip was caused by trying to catch up with someone riding a lot faster was it not. That says to me stop trying so hard, back off to a speed more in line with your own abilities.

If you want to rag the balls off your bike then build up to that slowly.

I do not agree that he should continue to push that hard, because that always ends in tears. But just easing off a little would be fine.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Because he's never made a mistake, so knows best of course

If only that were true.

I had one day at the start of my riding career over a decade ago where I crashed two different bikes through gross incompetence, one on the road and one on the track. That saved my life because it convinced me that I didn't know WTF I was doing, and that I would kill myself if I didn't get a clue quickly. So I started reading, taking formal and informal training opportunities, doing a course with plod that was the precursor of Bikesafe, etc etc...

Edit: http://www.cix.co.uk/~kwh/page15.htm

(And as you can see, at the time I posted that to CiX I didn't think it was my fault either - fortunately later quiet reflection allowed me to realise that crashing all on your own twice in one day isn't usually anybody's fault but your own...)

I watched the video a few times; I applaude how (whoever the rider was, i forgot now and cant be bothered to go back to find out....student...) the rider LOCKED the front wheel (it tucked, I'm certain) and managed to not come off. Ok, he ended up in a bush, and I would have loved to seen how he got back out, BUT the point remains that he isable to interpret the information being fed to him through his controls to be able to avoid the crash caused by the lock-up.

If only there was a long road leading yp to a statly home that he could have shot up, rather than grass and a bush

Its all experiance, and no matter how many training days and courses you go on, you can't ever see into the future and know before when something like this will happen. You just have to live it, as is where, and learn from mistakes.

Matt

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

You're a right patronising ar$e, aren't you.

who?