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[Wideboy]

people getting sacked?

isn't it a prosecutable offence, i mean they are being stereotyped and discriminated against because of their shall we say "believe", which is illegal isn't it?

and have the BNP actually been prosecuted as being a "racist party" because as far as i can recall they have only been labelled one by the media?

i dont support any political party's so couldn't give a monkey's wrench but it seems completely off the plot to me

[Biker Biggles]

Beliefs---One issue
Conduct----Another issue.
The problem is confusing the two and that is dangerous in a democracy.

[Wideboy]

is the list 100% genuine

its like being arrested and taken to court for a crime you didn't commit say murder or rape, you can be 100% innocent and cleared by the court but you as a person will always have that with you and be remember for it

Originally Posted by Wideboy

people getting sacked?

isn't it a prosecutable offence, i mean they are being stereotyped and discriminated against because of their shall we say "believe", which is illegal isn't it?

and have the BNP actually been prosecuted as being a "racist party" because as far as i can recal they have only been labled one by the media?

i dont support any political party's so couldnt give a monkey's wrench but it seems completely off the plot to me

Their publicly stated aim in their publicly available constitution states that they are "committed to reversing the tide of non-white immigration" - white immigration fine, black immigration bad. I'm struggling to find any word that'll fit here other than "racist". But is it a crime? As far as I'm aware the closest applicable law would try to class this as "incitement to racial hatred" - and I'm guessing their wording has received just enough spin to avoid this charge whilst still remaining perfectly understandable to their supporters.

How do you search it?

[yorkie_chris]

Ctrl+F

Originally Posted by Biker Biggles

Beliefs---One issue
Conduct----Another issue.
The problem is confusing the two and that is dangerous in a democracy.

I agree entirely, but as I've said, some positions are simply too important to risk people being unable to divorce their beliefs from their conduct - a feat that's incredibly difficult to do, and a feat which we all fail to achieve far more than we like to think.

Originally Posted by Lissa

Well I haven't spotted anyone from Rugby on the list, but then I did get fed up and stop looking after about 15 seconds

Click on list. Press [CTRL + F]. Type in Rugby. Hit enter. It will find every one for you.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

and I'm guessing their wording has received just enough spin to avoid this charge whilst still remaining perfectly understandable to their supporters.

And by doing that have removed themselves as a serious political force. A large proportion of BNP voters around here are uneducated, unemployed bigots. A point which the BBC took full advantage of in their last bout of propaganda/undercover documentary.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Usual $hite:

Left, fine. Right, criminal.

We're heading for a communist state. Nominally democratic, but instead of only having one choice to vote for, there are 3 that are all the same.

On the face of it, yes I'd agree. However, we're in the age of populist politics. Yes we have no choice because they're all the same, but they're all the same because they all, broadly speaking, have their fingers on the pulse and understand what people want to hear in order to get their vote. So in some regards, politics is now more democratic than it's ever been.

The fact that we're sleepwalking into a nightmarish totalitarian state isn't due to a lack of democracy, it's cos the electorate don't seem bothered. Yet.

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

Iif you want to go down a line of "our political masters through the ages, regardless of whether they wear blue ribbons or red ribbons, seek to enslave the masses" - well, then that's a train I'd probably be tempted to jump on.

Yeah, for once I wasn't having a pop at Labour. The above tends to sum up my general views on politicians. However, I think trusting politicians not to swipe our liberty is as naive as leaving a wolf in the same room as some chickens and expecting to find them uneaten. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance, as Jefferson said. Maintaining liberty is the responsibility of the general public. Not only is the public failing in its duty, it's being willfully coerced.

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

On this issue though, personally, I have no problem with the concept of requiring some posts to be politically neutral. I agree with the concept that people can divorce their personal beliefs from the actions I really can, although human nature means we're all weaker in this regard than we like to admit. As such, for positions of significant importance, like policing the nation, I don't have a problem with saying "this job is simply too important for us to risk you being unable to divorce your belief that we should "reverse the tide of non-white immigration" from the job's role of enforcing the law to a multicultural populace".

How do you ensure that those in such posts are neurtal though? Hope that those holding such posts who secretly support the BNP do the decent thing and sign up, so that they can get fired?

There seems to be this concept that it's possible for individuals to be neutral. It's simply not possible, everyone will ALWAYS have their prejudices. The only way you can judge peoples ability to do a job is whether they act professionally at work, not by querying their political views.