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17 million? Hang on, are they now going to try to tells us 17 million people were exterminated?

Let's not be so naive about these documents. If official documents existed that helped prove the holocaust happened, there is no way in hell they'd have been kept quiet this long. In fact they'd have probably been paraded in the streets as soon as they were found! They would have been used at the Nuremburg show trials for a start. At least then the Allies wouldn't have had to sentence men to death on a pack of lies. Or they would have been used to shut up the holocaust revisionists instead of jailing them like they usually do. And if you think these documents are the genuine untouched real deal, you're even more naive. Funny how the link talks about survivors. Hell of alot of them knocking about. 6 million in 1919 then another 6 million just twenty years later? That's one hell of a rate of reproduction. And they say the Catholics are bad.

With the amount of information available to us now, there's no excuse for us not to question what we're told.

Originally Posted by UlsterSV

With the amount of information available to us now, there's no excuse for us not to question what we're told.

Theres a huge difference between questioning what we're told and dismissing the genocide of millions of people as "propaganda" and lies. To dismiss the holocaust as an "achievement" by the Jews and nothing more than "villification" of the Nazis and propaganda and lies is downright shameful imo.

This stops here on my part given it is simply a waste of energy to continue. We are in a circular argument neither is going to shift position on. There is simply no way I am ever going to accept sympathy for the Nazis and dismissal of the atrocities they committed as nothing but lies and propaganda. And youre not going to accept any evidence as anything other than a government attempt to "villify" the Nazis.

Lyn, Germans don't govern Germany. That right was taken away from them sixty years ago, remember? Remember the big wall too? This is what you can't seem to grasp. Money makes the world go round. And who has all the money? Well I'll let you figure that one out. What you also can't seem to grasp is government agencies aren't as straight forward and honest as you might like them to be. They tend not to record their activities, you know? And they do sometimes act in the best interests of the state rather than the people.

Your arguments are kind of null and void. I've looked at both sides of the argument which allows me to form an informed and balanced opinion on the matter. But you on the other hand refuse to look at the other side of the argument. So how can you possibly hold an informed opinion? It's easy to call everyone else a Nazi or bigot from up there on your high horse. I know, I did the same. I was brought up on the exact same history you were. But it takes something else to climb down from one's high horse and see what all the fuss is about. Honestly, the first time I truly looked into the holocaust was so I could hit the deniers with great arguments and irrefutable evidence to prove them all wrong. Turned out I couldn't.

If you want a wee bit of a debate how about this: how come the six million figure was used first in 1919 and why we never hear about that particular holocaust? And how was a 1943 edition of America's Readers Digest able to say 6 million would die? This was a whole two years before the end of the war.

I'd also like you to quote my pro Nazi comments.

The numbers don't matter, even if only a few hundred were in the camps and exterminated it was a few hundred too many.

Why do the people with the pro nazi opinions bang on about it more than NORMAL people?

I have to say that there are some comments on here which have truly shocked me.

Suffice to say that I prefer the more established view of history.

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