idiot biker

Originally Posted by Gmonsta

Sure I agree with the vision being impared but not blocked. My question was is the kid safer there or on the back? Dads arms are around him. He isnt as likely to fall off from that position (subject to dad not crashing). I just see a dad that made a decision to put his kid up the front rather than on the back because he thought that this position was safer for him. I dont think you can say he doesnt care about his kid.

i would recon theres a good chance the kid would be over the bars if he broke quickish, would make a nice soft airbag though

It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if he is between his Dad's arms!! Consider he has to brake suddenly, is the dad really going to be able to grab hold of the kid aswell?!

not a chance he'll be too busy pushing the bars otherwise the'l both be off

Originally Posted by SmudgeK3

not a chance he'll be too busy pushing the bars otherwise the'l both be off

Exactly. Unless he is a Hindu deity, they are f***ed

Originally Posted by Warthog

It doesn't make the slightest bit of difference if he is between his Dad's arms!! Consider he has to brake suddenly, is the dad really going to be able to grab hold of the kid aswell?!

Sure I understand about braking suddenly and I must point out I also think the guy is totally in the wrong as the kid is clearly to young. But is it safer to be on the front or back at that age - even if he could touch the pegs?

Consider you had to carry a young kid on the bike around a carpark for example - where would you put it? front or back? What is more likely the kid falling off going around a corner or from you braking suddenly?

[Bluepete]

See rule 85,

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAn...code/DG_069854

He's in the UK on notoriously busy roads, not a dirt track in some remote part of the world - Kiddy is even more at risk because the rider cannot possibly see where he is going!

Also I dont think it makes any difference whether the kiddy is in his arms or on on his bloomin head - he is too small to be on the bike - he cant see and has not got proper control -therefore putting his kid/himself/other road users at great risk...If he knocked me off and said "sorry I couldnt see cos I had my kid on the tank" I'd be extremely miffed (assuming I survived!)

I just hope for everybody's sake the police stop him and put him straight at the very least!

Originally Posted by BluePete

It's my damn right to impose the LAW.
This is a blatant case of dangerous driving. I CAN and WILL impose my morality on this man. I WILL and DO stop and assist people in need.
Now come back with a response that shows you have a spine.

Preach the word, brother!

I say forward it to CPS; that guy's unfit to be a father.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

The child already has someone to decide what's safe - his (I presume) father. Most people would argue that his father's seriously lacking common sense, and probably rightly so. But if anyone thinks that the government holds the monopoly on common sense then you're naive, and if you think that they know anything about caring for kids, given their record, then you're quite mad.

I see what you're saying about his father being the person of responsibility - and it's true, in law, too. The thing is - for me at least - that the responsibility the father has is not for him to decide whatever he wants (there do seem to be hints at that in this thread).
We all live in a society with other people, so we choose to follow the majority decisions regardless of what we believe individually. Although of course it's not been proven...I'd suggest that the majority view is that the father isn't acting responsibly (as you mention, most would argue he's lacking common sense).

I think that actually agrees with what you said! I just wanted to mention the bit about his father, although having responsibility, doesn't have the right to do whatever he wants...and that's why I think the guy's crossed the line - because the majority would say it's not responsible.

P.s. don't know anything about the government's common sense or policies caring for children

maybe he just doesn't like the boy?