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Old 21-09-21, 11:20 AM   #11
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The biggest problem is the total Inability to look beyond the very short term. That applies to the industry as well as the deniers. The industry won’t invest in long term stuff like storage and the politicians won’t force them to. Meanwhile the deniers think it’s ok to just carry on burning coal until we destroy the environment. It’s not going to end well is it
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Old 21-09-21, 11:49 AM   #12
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The biggest problem is the total Inability to look beyond the very short term. That applies to the industry as well as the deniers. The industry won’t invest in long term stuff like storage and the politicians won’t force them to. Meanwhile the deniers think it’s ok to just carry on burning coal until we destroy the environment. It’s not going to end well is it
Exactly.

Assuming the problem is with no wind blowing, surely someone could have predicted that and built in some redundancy. Why are we so reliant on the interconnectors from Europe? It makes sense for emergencies but not to be needed regularly. Why did we close the "Rough" gas storage facility (under North Sea).

The Conservatives have been in power for 11 years and still don't seem able to run the country, instead we stagger from crisis to crisis. I don't want to hear "well, Labour would be worse", Labour are not in power, the Tories are.

What would make sense is for the party in power to talk to the opposition and come up with a coherent plan looking 10/15 years ahead which they agree on and can't change without both sides agreeing if there's a change in government. What we get instead is jobs for Conservative friends and off-the-books meetings between ministers and Party donors.

(I'm starting to rant again, sorry)
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Old 21-09-21, 02:35 PM   #13
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The biggest problem is the total Inability to look beyond the very short term. That applies to the industry as well as the deniers. The industry won’t invest in long term stuff like storage and the politicians won’t force them to. Meanwhile the deniers think it’s ok to just carry on burning coal until we destroy the environment. It’s not going to end well is it
Yay, coal! Lovely, let's bring back asbstos and thalidomide while we're at it, maybe put all that tasty lead back in petrol. Hey, we could even see if we could get rickets re-introduced.
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Old 21-09-21, 02:40 PM   #14
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Hey, we could even see if we could get rickets re-introduced.
They've already done that. https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/ent...b0bf16620310a8

I don't suppose the pandemic has improved this situation.

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Old 21-09-21, 04:16 PM   #15
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Exactly.

Assuming the problem is with no wind blowing, surely someone could have predicted that and built in some redundancy. Why are we so reliant on the interconnectors from Europe? It makes sense for emergencies but not to be needed regularly. Why did we close the "Rough" gas storage facility (under North Sea).

The Conservatives have been in power for 11 years and still don't seem able to run the country, instead we stagger from crisis to crisis. I don't want to hear "well, Labour would be worse", Labour are not in power, the Tories are.

What would make sense is for the party in power to talk to the opposition and come up with a coherent plan looking 10/15 years ahead which they agree on and can't change without both sides agreeing if there's a change in government. What we get instead is jobs for Conservative friends and off-the-books meetings between ministers and Party donors.

(I'm starting to rant again, sorry)
Most of the Tory crisis to crisis have been of their own doing, and lining their own pockets (that of friends).

This energy policy is another one string in the bow for them. And its the public who will inevitably pick up the bill again. More companies will follow suit inevitably and you'll be stuck with limited options again, and high costs.
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Old 21-09-21, 05:48 PM   #16
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Think ahead? That will be the day. True democracies just don't do it. A totalitarian regime might, but then they have there own vices (corruption)
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Old 22-09-21, 10:24 AM   #17
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if the public give the politicians free reign then they will do as they please. so its not the governments fault.

if the public want to blame anybody they should be blaming the advisers and civil servants. political parties come and go but civil servants are still there messing things up and we dont get to vote for who is in charge and making a mess.

also blame the queen for not telling the prime minister to do things better for her subjects.
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Think Ahead.....

So the UK has spent billions on 'Saving The Planet', reducing our CO2 and GHG emissions is such a marvellous way, crippling our electricity production and making us wholly dependant on International Gas imports.

And we have achieved... about a global 0.1 to 0.2% reduction in GHG production.

If we went carbon zero overnight that would result in less than a global 1% reduction..........

But no we keep flogging the 'Reduce emissions' and will end up like a 3rd world country with blackouts and brownouts rife outside the major cities to come.

Who to blame?

The NIMBY brigade who both protest that filling valleys with water for Hydro or building Nuclear is bad (and that out of sight offshore wind is a great idea - till the wind is too soft or too strong) or the environmentalists that block hydro and tidal as it may affect an orchid or a newt.

Billions spent for a global 0.2% (Best case) reduction in CO2 and GHG in UK (and most of that is made up of the drop in the carbon calculation of electricity due to 'renewables in the grid).

Want cheap(er) power and reduced bills? - Re-open the coal mines, and build 20 big coal PowerStation's next door to the mines.

As long as 50+% of the UK's power generation is based on imported gas we are all stuffed.
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Want cheap(er) power and reduced bills? - Re-open the coal mines, and build 20 big coal PowerStation's next door to the mines.
Going back to the 1960s isn't a good idea. CO2 isn't the only issue, people seem to have forgotten when the Drax power station was coal fired (largest in Europe) and the Trent Valley power stations were merrily burning there way through tons of coal, the lakes in Sweden were slowly approaching the acidity of vinegar from the sulphur from our coal burning. Anyone recall acid rain?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...s-1428309.html

This is a better idea:

https://www.rolls-royce.com/innovati...eactors.aspx#/

Still got the NIMBY problem though.
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Think Ahead.....

So the UK has spent billions on 'Saving The Planet', reducing our CO2 and GHG emissions is such a marvellous way, crippling our electricity production and making us wholly dependant on International Gas imports.

And we have achieved... about a global 0.1 to 0.2% reduction in GHG production.

If we went carbon zero overnight that would result in less than a global 1% reduction..........

But no we keep flogging the 'Reduce emissions' and will end up like a 3rd world country with blackouts and brownouts rife outside the major cities to come.

Who to blame?

The NIMBY brigade who both protest that filling valleys with water for Hydro or building Nuclear is bad (and that out of sight offshore wind is a great idea - till the wind is too soft or too strong) or the environmentalists that block hydro and tidal as it may affect an orchid or a newt.

Billions spent for a global 0.2% (Best case) reduction in CO2 and GHG in UK (and most of that is made up of the drop in the carbon calculation of electricity due to 'renewables in the grid).

Want cheap(er) power and reduced bills? - Re-open the coal mines, and build 20 big coal PowerStation's next door to the mines.

As long as 50+% of the UK's power generation is based on imported gas we are all stuffed.

Great post, virtue signalling is now officially the largest UK export, and is the preserve of rich developed countries where people have been brought up in comfort, with plenty of food, plenty of electricity, jobs etc. People in poorer developing countries have different things to worry about, like having no electricity, no food and no job, they are not going to say no to Chinese built coal fired power stations to give people a better living standards and grow their economies while the west spend £billions on useless fans on sticks .... Just hear the squeals from the zero carbon sheep the first time the grid shuts down on freezing cold but wind less winter days. My mate used to say ' greenies, I hope they freeze to death in the dark' but the trouble is they will take us with them.
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