Bulb energy

[ethariel]

Originally Posted by Seeker

Going back to the 1960s isn't a good idea. CO2 isn't the only issue, people seem to have forgotten when the Drax power station was coal fired (largest in Europe) and the Trent Valley power stations were merrily burning there way through tons of coal, the lakes in Sweden were slowly approaching the acidity of vinegar from the sulphur from our coal burning. Anyone recall acid rain?

However we are a net importer of CO2, returning to Coal Power, we would have an excess of CO2 production and become an exporter.

Advances in technology since the 1960 make the scrubbing of exhaust gasses of Coal use a much more viable prospect and the fact we have 2 to 4 centuries worth of coal (conservative guess) under our feet.

But it all comes down to how long people will put up with the rising energy prices and even then considering you will be looking at 3-10 year builds to bring anything online we are already over the proverbial barrel with our trousers down.

[Bibio]

Originally Posted by ethariel

we have 2 to 4 centuries worth of coal (conservative guess) under our feet.

coal is our future fuel. energy is energy and coal is packed full of it but its extracting that energy cleanly is the problem. you dont have to burn stuff to extract the energy. water is the perfect fuel but its being able to extract the hydrogen and combine it with the oxygen again with a passive catalysis thats the problem. with a closed system you dont even use any water or very little as top ups.

today people laugh at the technology 100 years ago so in another 100 years they will laugh at our fuel/energy/technology. if Moore's law is an example then it might be as little as 40 years.

[redtrummy]

China has just committed to not building any more foreign coal powered stations. If we cannot come up with 'clean energy' we may well have to do without it for certain periods of the day, its not a God given right.

I am old enough to remember the smog's we had to endure as a youngster. Those days are gone, time to move on and find cleaner solutions before its too late.
I have not really seen BoJo and his mob actually do a lot anyway, apart from talking the talk (but not seen much walking the walk.)
Whether a greenie or not, if sea levels keep rising there will be even less land left to flood the valleys, and living in low lying London could become a little precarious. ( But I am ok Jack I live 550ft above sea level.)
I also enjoy breathing clean air and hope to do so for many years to come

[SV650rules]

Is there actually any real evidence of rising sea levels due to MMCC, the bottom of north sea used to be a forest and stone age tools and spear heads found there, so sea levels have been rising for a long time as we are in an interglacial period, also certain places that used to be closer to sea now far above it.

[Seeker]

Returning to the thread topic of collapsing energy firms. It seems the Tories have had another "no one could see this coming moment" like the fall of Kabul.

Only they were warned 18 months ago by OFGEM:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1925601.html

They are just not very good at this running a country thing, are they?

[SV650rules]

This crisis can be traced back to before conservatives, politicians have been dragging their feet on nuclear for many decades, and Labour more opposed to nuclear than Tories. To leave important decisions in the hands of politicians is always a mistake, and always will be until we get some with knowledge of other things besides lining their own pockets. Using vast amounts of gas to generate electricity to the be used for heating was never a good idea, but gas powered generators are the only ones with quick enough response to deal with the obvious glaring deficiencies of wind and solar..

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

This crisis can be traced back to before conservatives

doesn't alter the fact they've had 11 years to come up with an energy plan nor that they warned 18 months ago about the possibility of this current mess.

[redtrummy]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

Is there actually any real evidence of rising sea levels due to MMCC, the bottom of north sea used to be a forest and stone age tools and spear heads found there, so sea levels have been rising for a long time as we are in an interglacial period, also certain places that used to be closer to sea now far above it.

Well the water from the Greenland melting glaciers, plus those in the Alps has to go somewhere (usually downhill.) In Switzerland they have covered a glacier with white reflective sheeting to try and preserve it, thats extreme.

I read an article recently that suggested the Gulf stream is weakening, that in itself is a major concern as the affect on this country , paradoxical causing us to suffer from a colder wetter climate.

Dogger Bank did connect us to Europe and it was after the last ice age that it became the North Sea, but the time scales involved are the problem, these changes took years to come about, not just the last 200 odd years as we are seeing now. (Since the start of the Industrial Revolution.)

You could argue its not MMCC that's the cause, but the bulk of evidence strongly suggests it is.

[Seeker]

Even if the ice (that's sat on rock) wasn't melting sea levels would still rise through thermal expansion as the planet warms up.

[embee]

Well that's confirmed then, Bulb is bust. It appears that it is indeed too big (1.7M customers) for the direct transfer to the big six and it will go into some form of special administration. Basically a fudge.
The model under which the supposed free market competition was set up was clearly built on sand, unable to withstand a real stress test.
Guess who will eventually pick up the tab.