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Old 30-01-22, 08:17 PM   #21
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No it wouldn't . We already have this for cars and people still speed etc.
It would cut down on the number of people cycling though and cost a huge amount in admin, which would be collected via VED, which drivers would pay for in increased costs. This has been debated many times before and always comes to the same conclusions, generalisations and assumptions.


Some people are inconsiderate dicks however they are travelling.
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Old 30-01-22, 11:20 PM   #22
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i think people forget that cyclists and pedestrians dont have to abide to the highway code. if a cyclist runs a red light and gets injured/killed then tough luck to them. yes we all know that the vehicle driver gets the blame but they shouldn't. now the sticky part is that you can argue if the cyclist has passed a driving test then they have to abide by the highway code as they have to have read it.

if the public want cyclists to abide to the highway code then then everyone should have to pass a cycle proficiency and highway code test when they turn 16.

now the sticky part.. Electric powered Cycles.. they are self propelled so come under the same laws as other vehicles. or do they? if they do then the owner needs a registration number, licence, tax? and insurance. if they dont then they should. then there is the problem of children with EC's.
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Points, yes. Not sure about crushing, not without impounding and charging a release and storage fee first. As with so many things though it can only be administered by a real Rozzer, and we just don't have enough of them on the roads.
So first off we need some police officers who are able to stop a cyclist who rides through a red light, i.e. police bikers. Then we need the willingness to actually do some enforcement, which is ever harder than finding police bikers outside the DPG.
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now the sticky part.. Electric powered Cycles.. they are self propelled so come under the same laws as other vehicles. or do they? if they do then the owner needs a registration number, licence, tax? and insurance. if they dont then they should. then there is the problem of children with EC's.
Electric bikes don't need number plates, insurance, because they are limited to 15mph and its pedal assisted.

Those that exceed this and have a twist grip throttle require insurance & number plates as they are classed as motor vehicles.

Tax they'll pay the same as Tesla owners. No pollution= No Tax
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No it wouldn't . We already have this for cars and people still speed etc.
It would cut down on the number of people cycling though and cost a huge amount in admin, which would be collected via VED, which drivers would pay for in increased costs. This has been debated many times before and always comes to the same conclusions, generalisations and assumptions.


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And already ruled out by the Government as a waste of time & resources

Only Daily Heil & Express readers keep braying for these to be introduced
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So first off we need some police officers who are able to stop a cyclist who rides through a red light, i.e. police bikers. Then we need the willingness to actually do some enforcement, which is ever harder than finding police bikers outside the DPG.
Unfortunately, due to cuts in police numbers, enforcing road traffic offences by all road users are way down the list of priorities of all police forces.

On average 1500 deaths caused by cars/lorries per year in the UK

On average 2 per year caused by cyclists

Start with the major contributor first
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On average 1500 deaths caused by cars/lorries per year in the UK

On average 2 per year caused by cyclists
I assume that the cyclists killed by motor vehicles while doing some thing stupid count as 'caused by cars/lorries'.
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I assume that the cyclists killed by motor vehicles while doing some thing stupid count as 'caused by cars/lorries'.
No, road deaths of pedestrians, cyclists, and other road users
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i think people forget that cyclists and pedestrians dont have to abide to the highway code.
That's not quite true. The code is there to guide everyone on the responsible way to use 'the highway'. It contains expectations for all types of road user, including cyclists and pedestrians. Many of these expectations are backed up by explicit law, yes including some for pedestrians and cyclists. Ignorance of the law is never a defence.

The lack of mandated training or test for some types of road user might create some argumentative wiggle room but that's not enough to overturn being in the wrong, in comparison to the legislation (though, yes, I accept that many try!)
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