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View Poll Results: More subs or more players?
Increase subs - they have been warned. 7 50.00%
Increase players - continue with current issues. 1 7.14%
Both - makes sense, but will hieghten current issues 3 21.43%
Kiethd - sport - why? 3 21.43%
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Old 25-03-10, 03:47 PM   #1
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Organs - I'd like your opinion on something.

I am the treasurer of a sports club. The club is at the point financially where the above decision (or a mixture there of) needs to be made. There are a few reasons for this, but ultimately we have had a number of people leave (all for personal reasons) in the past 2-3 months and thus our monthly income has dropped to a point where the club is going to struggle to meet its requirements.

Question is simple. If you were a player paying £20/month subs and are half way through the season, would you entertain a price increase? Or would you expect the committee to source solutions that mean current costs are maintained? It should be noted we are already quite a bit cheaper than most other clubs and we did warn the players we may have to increase subs this season.

We normally run a membership of 30 for a squad size of 15. Team selection is handled via a points system, i.e. the more you contribute/train etc the more points you get and thus the more eligible you are. This brings with it a whole different ream of issues, but does seem to work.

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Old 25-03-10, 03:57 PM   #2
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I'd have thought it'd depend on the sport to some degree. If it's an expensive sport, the people participating presumably are able to swallow an increase in subs.
An increase in numbers would allow you to have a bigger team selection, but from what you've said, it's not a meritocracy.

If it's ice hockey (as per your avatar) why don't you just have a big fight?
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Old 25-03-10, 03:57 PM   #3
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Default Re: Increase Subs vs Increase Numbers

Simples, increase the Subs. In my view, if the club is run well and people enjoy playing, they won't mind paying an extra say £2 per person per month etc. This is especially true if you are already significantly cheaper than others.

Plus, those playing for the club should have some sense of pride and therefore be happy to contribute to the success of the club.

We have had similar issues in our new hockey club (started this season). If they have needed more money, they have had to ask and we have paid. If they refuse to pay, then simply explain that the club is unlikely to suceed past a given point in time. I feel your pain though, have had to deal with stuff like this at previous clubs and whilst running the Uni Hockey team.
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Old 25-03-10, 03:58 PM   #4
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If it's ice hockey (as per your avatar) why don't you just have a big fight?
It is and it has been known to happen
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Old 25-03-10, 04:03 PM   #5
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As it is Ice Hockey, I would say deffo increase the subs. Its not generally classed as a cheap sport and most people expect to pay quite a lot for rink time etc. I played when I was younger at Swindon and that was chuffing expensive as I'm sure you are aware.
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Old 25-03-10, 04:03 PM   #6
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Simples, increase the Subs. In my view, if the club is run well and people enjoy playing, they won't mind paying an extra say £2 per person per month etc. This is especially true if you are already significantly cheaper than others.

Plus, those playing for the club should have some sense of pride and therefore be happy to contribute to the success of the club.

We have had similar issues in our new hockey club (started this season). If they have needed more money, they have had to ask and we have paid. If they refuse to pay, then simply explain that the club is unlikely to suceed past a given point in time. I feel your pain though, have had to deal with stuff like this at previous clubs and whilst running the Uni Hockey team.
That was my first reaction as well. However canvassing the opinion of a few on the squad - it's quite up in the air.

We have a small issue with training attendance currently. We're only getting about 3/4's each week (20).

So I thought I'd broaden the opinion spectrum, before making a proposal to the committee.

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Old 25-03-10, 04:56 PM   #7
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Have you given them the choice? They can pay more and have less people or visa-versa
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Old 25-03-10, 06:16 PM   #8
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1) Is the club successful? If yes, people will pay the extra to stay.
2) Does the club need new blood to be successful? Your current stars would welcome a new influx of talent, and it will also motivate some to try harder.
3) Will they go for a p!ss up/social night? Have you thought of a sportsman's dinner/pie and peas night with comedian? By throwing this open to friends and family of all you could treble the door takings(Team members + partners+ friends+partners), have a great night, get more people intersted. And more importantly, if costed and promoted properly reduce the subs increase. It will also show the Team that the committee are taking positive steps to limit the increase, and promote/grow the club.
4) What about sponsorship?

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Sponsorship is hard to come by at the moment. But you could raise funds with an event like a quiz.

For example: Each member has to get together a team of 4 including themself. £20 per team, or maybe £40 per team if you include food. Id they have more than 3 friends or family then additional teams can be paid for increasing numbers and funds.

Drinks at a decent price but a little over cost so you make something on those.

Cheap food - but something everyone likes such as pie and mash or pizza.

A raffle too. Ask local companies if they would consider donating a prize and in return they are featured on the reverse of the quiz sheet in advertising/posters in the room etc.

So for example call Hampshire CCC, see if they can bung you 4 tickets for a cricket match and in return you'll put out their fixture list on every table if they send you some.

Will the local pub do dinner for 2 up to the value of £xx.00 if you put posters up to advertise them.

Explain it is to keep a local sport in business.
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Old 25-03-10, 06:32 PM   #10
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If you increase subs then you risk losing more players and then either not being able to field a team or having to select a weaker team. In either situation you risk your better players leaving.

Without players your team will wither and die on the vine.

I vote get more players. Who knows, you might even strengthen your team as a result.
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