Bike accident....first on the sence............what do i do?

Out with the wife and kids today, in the car on the way to Princetown (Dartmoor). On the way up to the moors i notice 5/6 bike ahead not going fast as the car was consistently 150-200m behind them. Get on to the moors and around the next bend i see most of them running across the moor to one of there mates who missed the corner and went a bit motor cross on his R6, we stop the car

On my way down to the biker i turned his bike off just in case a stray spark found a stray fuel leak, get to the biker, hes conscious on his side complaining hes having problems breathing and his mates are all around him talking on phones asking if hes alright, tell each other not to remove his lid.

The wife runs down with a blanket (bless her) and we cover him, i ask him his name, where he's hurting, i ask him to open his eyes and focus on me for a sec, hold his head still and that's it........

A part from holding his hand and not taking his lid off what else can i do in a situation like that? Should i have rolled him on his back?

What if I'm on a ride one day and one of my mates comes off, i don't know what i should do really........................would my mates know what to do if it was me?

Note to self: Get a silver blanket to put under the rear seat!

The local paramedic was passing so he took over the situation untill the police and ambulance arrived, the guy seemed to be OK but TBH I'm not sure

Take a first aid coarse some do cover RTA situations!!!!

Firstly, you need to make sure they conscious, if so keep them warm and reassure always.
If not conscious you have to make a decision whether he/she is still breathing by looking feeling listening for breath.
To not remove a helmet is probably very wise and in most circumstances goes without saying, but if they aren't breathing and you need to perform CPR, then you can, and with the help of as many people as possible, remove the helmet extremely slowly and gently. I've done a first aid course and we (the students)asked this question. The tutor said only remove if necessary and the best way is if someone pushes their hands up inside the helmet, so the palms of the hand are on the cheeks to keep head as still as possible whilst another person pulls gently. As many hands as possible to hold body and head as still as possible. Remember only if they're unconscious, because they won't be wriggling at all for fear of you damaging anything else....

I'll wait for others comments but remember, if they're not breathing and you leave the helmet on and the Ambulance takes a while to arrive, they'll die from oxygen starvation to the brain anyway without CPR.

Anyway, if you google it I know there are courses you can do in aid of a motorcyclist in an accident and I'm sure there's loads of stuff you can read etc....

OK crash Scene...
Look at the accident...is it dangerous or not? Is the rider safer where he is?Are you safe to treat him? Don't move him but if he's in greater danger where he is then you can move him but don't if he is in a safe area.

Next...look at what the rider look like? Any visible bleeding or obvious broken stuff. Check if the rider is awake and reacting to you. If he is talking to you then he is breathing and has a heart beat. Keep him talking as he can clear his own airway when awake. If he is awake, give him no food or water, don't remove the helmet and don't move him. But keep him talking and a blanket is a nice touch.
If there are visible bleeds than either direct or indirect pressure on the wound.

If he is unconscious, check his airway is clear, check for breathing and check for a heart beat. If he has them then constant monitoring and keep him warm.

Make sure there is an ambulance on the way.

If he is not breathing and help is not near then stuff like CPR will have to do. Make sure his airway is clear and commence. A good course will teach you this. You can move him now or take his helmet off as he will die(maybe) so an action to save his life is ok. Having a flip lid is very useful.

If there are a group of you, you can log roll him onto his back. Removing the helmet is not a good idea as it is supporting the neck and also creating pressure on any head wounds. Removal of the helmet takes practice as the helmet has to be removed without jerking the head and once off the head has to be supported, usually by someones knees.

Yeah...

The 'First Bike On Scene' course that the ambulance service runs is a great one to go on, just depends if there's one near you.

I went on the course last month and learned a hell of a lot. Thankfully haven't had to use any of it yet, but you never know

We were given some handouts at the course, I will dig them out and try and scan them to post on here, might be useful...

Found the handouts and scanned them, I will email them to John admin and see if he can post them on the main site.

[rictus01]

All good advice, but do get some training.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.

it's the most unselfish skill you'll ever learn.

I don't think I'd ever want to be in that position if the injured party was a loved one, would you

Cheers Mark.

Been present a a fair few car accident, mostley on the A34 and don't forget about yourself.

If you have been forced to stop on high speed carrigeway, particaully ones that wind such as the A34 you can be placing yourself/passengers in great danger of a high speed rear end shunt.

One accident on a blind bend on the A34 there were people running all over the carriageway trying to move cars, oncomming cars emegency stopping as were the trucks. Fortunalty no one was hurt but any cars comming round the corner at 100mph+ which is fairly common would have had a huge accident - could have been a lot worse.

Other than that first aid seems a good idea, did mine years ago and definaley need refreshing now

Rules for accident scene
1) secure the scene --vehicle down the road with flashers on . another rider standing roadside waving cars down.
2)ensure your own safety. -ya can't help anyone if you've bee hurt
3) scene assesment -is it safe to leave the injured person where they are ? Ifr so leave them there if they need immidiate moveing to ensure survival do so.
4) contact ambulance service. Get someone else to do this--make sure they know the exact location.
Dunno about over there but here the nearest medic is usually only 30 minutes maximum away.

Ya notice I havent mentioned any injury assessment. Thats a whole other thing.

Originally Posted by rictus01

All good advice, but do get some training.

I thought I was