goodbye

[timwilky]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7233671.stm

Don't bother trying to come back.

I don't have a problem with race/religion etc. but if you expect me to respect you. respect me first.

This guy is so out of touch with reality he has a justifiable insanity defence. Terrorist, no chance of ever being a real player. patsy for the press/ politicians etc.

[blueto]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7233671.stm

Don't bother trying to come back.

I don't have a problem with race/religion etc. but if you expect me to respect you. respect me first.

This guy is so out of touch with reality he has a justifiable insanity defence. Terrorist, no chance of ever being a real player. patsy for the press/ politicians etc.


hear hear !:)

[Defender]

..........hope this guys leaves as well (not much chance). Perhaps he could go to Saudi Arabia:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7233335.stm

The Archbishop of Canterbury has come under fire after appearing to back the adoption of Sharia law in the UK.

[Kinvig]

..........hope this guys leaves as well (not much chance). Perhaps he could go to Saudi Arabia:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7233335.stm

The Archbishop of Canterbury has come under fire after appearing to back the adoption of Sharia law in the UK.

At then end of the day his viewpoint doesn't really carry much weight. This country doesn't follow christian values (i.e. the 10 commandments) so the only reason why he's saying this has got to be for headlines.

[Mike2165]

At then end of the day his viewpoint doesn't really carry much weight. This country doesn't follow christian values (i.e. the 10 commandments) so the only reason why he's saying this has got to be for headlines.


Agreed, but there's enough racial tension at the moment without someone in his position suggesting a way to make matters worse. What planet does he live on?

[SoulKiss]

Agreed, but there's enough racial tension at the moment without someone in his position suggesting a way to make matters worse. What planet does he live on?

Obviously the planet God (with a capital G)

Isnt't is suspicious that someone with an interest in Religion (hes the MD of one of the biggest Religious Companies, erm, Organisations in this country)

If he can influence things to get provisions made for Muslims, then its a better case in the future for getting special exemptions for Christians.

If what he is suggesting ever happens, I am going to claim that as a Jedi, I am entitled to cut peoples arms off in bar-room brawls........

[Demonz]

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/41305000/jpg/_41305252_hamza203getty.jpg

I doubt he will be happy with that picture leading the story :) Dont you just love the media.

[Welsh_Wizard]

I love that picture of him..

I can imagine him and all his cronies sitting around their temple doleing out scare stories to one another when this was snapped..

"...its was a cold dark night and infidel virgins were sleeping Ar Ar Ar" (cue Count Duckula laugh..)

[Demonz]

I love that picture of him..

I can imagine him and all his cronies sitting around their temple doleing out scare stories to one another when this was snapped..

"...its was a cold dark night and infidel virgins were sleeping Ar Ar Ar" (cue Count Duckula laugh..)

Exactly - he would make a great pirate. I can just see him being shipped off to the states, changing his ways, and becoming a celebrity film star....

[G]

He wont be sent anywhere as the Human Rights brigade will come out in force.

Hell they will probably give him asylum again and provide him with another 6 bedroom house, forgetting that they have already given him one for his massive family to live in rent and tax free, whilst claiming various benefits adding upto £200k a year.

How this man and radicals like him can be allowed into and then to stay in this country is beyond me.

[Ceri JC]

I know one of the Police (paide for by our taxes) who form part of his bodyguard (provided by the state to stop one of the myriad of people who loathe him from offing him). He says that, perhaps unsurprisingly, on a personal level the man is a cnut and the temptation to turn their guns on him themselves is on occassion exceedingly hard to resist. :D

[dizzyblonde]

Ah yes, so Captain Hook has been forced to walk the plank out of the country!!!
Hope the crocodile with the ticking clock keeps him away

[gettin2dizzy]

..........hope this guys leaves as well (not much chance). Perhaps he could go to Saudi Arabia:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7233335.stm

The Archbishop of Canterbury has come under fire after appearing to back the adoption of Sharia law in the UK.

Brilliant idea; our laws aren't brutal and sexist enough- it troubles me every day.

A 37-year-old American businesswoman and married mother of three is seeking justice after she was thrown in jail by Saudi Arabia's religious police for sitting with a male colleague at a Starbucks coffee shop in Riyadh.
Yara, who does not want her last name published for fear of retribution, was bruised and crying when she was freed from a day in prison after she was strip-searched, threatened and forced to sign false confessions by the Kingdom's ?Mutaween? police.

?They took me into a filthy bathroom, full of water and dirt. They made me take off my clothes and squat and they threw my clothes in this slush and made me put them back on,? she said. Eventually she was taken before a judge.
?He said 'You are sinful and you are going to burn in hell'. I told him I was sorry. I was very submissive. I had given up. I felt hopeless,? she said.


and

wo Iranian sisters convicted of adultery face being stoned to death after the supreme court upheld death sentences against them.
The two sisters were found guilty of adultery - a capital crime in Iran - after the husband of one of the pair presented a video showing them in the company of other men while he was away.
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The penal court of Teheran province had already sentenced the sisters, identified only as Zohreh, 27, and Azar, to stoning, the newspaper said.
The Etemad newspaper quoted Jabbar Solati, their lawyer, as saying that the sisters had initially been tried for "illegal relations" and had received 99 lashes. However, they were convicted of "adultery" in a second trial for the same incident.
The pair admitted they were in the video but argued there was no adultery as no scene on the video showed them engaged in a sexual act.



Both just from todays papers...



http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3321637.ece
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/05/wiran205.xml&CMP=ILC-mostviewedbox

[neio79]

good ridance to bad rubbish, have no fear he will be back soon, in one of those secret CIA planes to have some much deserved tourture dished out on these fair shores!!!!

[Devil Biccy]

I hear what people are saying on this and many other sites with regards to radicals in Islam and other religions but please do not taint those of us who follow the basic principles of islam,of co-existing within a multi cultural religious society. Take the opportunity to speak to a western muslim born and brought up in this country and you will most likely find them to be more patriotic to the UK and wanting to live within the laws of the land than want to follow Sharia law.
It states clearly in the Quran that the laws of the land you reside over rule any Sharia law. Sharia law is only to be implemented in times of war and also when no other polotical system exists or the majority of people in that land as muslims. So for Islamists wanting to bring Sharia law into the UK is going against what is written as Law in the Quran!
Personally being a muslim I would say that any muslim wanting Sharia law in the UK should be asked to move to a country where that law is practiced.

[Pedrosa]

Election campaigning is well under way here in Spain and just 2 days ago the version of the tory party anounced plans along these lines:

Any immigrant not seeking gainful and legal employment within a "reasonable time" will be deported.Obviously they can stay if they are self supporting financially and place no other strain on the systems in place.

All immigrants must undergo some language training in order to speak the language of their new homeland.

Any immigrant that breaks the law, whether they have residency documentation or not...will be deported.

N:B:


Before anyone gets on their high moral horse....please remember that I personally am an immigrant in the country where I presently reside.

A time line whisch prevents new immigrants from claiming from the system will be implemented. As to many Spain,(just like the UK is seen as a soft touch.)

As you can imagine this policy has created much criticism in some quarters but large support from others.

I also think that it is not for the host nation to bend over backwards to suit immigrants of any culture. They arrive in a new country and should be prepared to adjust themselves not the other way around.

[G]

They arrive in a new country and should be prepared to adjust themselves not the other way around.


That there is the one and only policy that should be implemented. Sod diversity.

Diversity complicates matters and makes life difficult lol

[Sosha]

Personally being a muslim I would say that any muslim wanting Sharia law in the UK should be asked to move to a country where that law is practiced.

Amen... the Arch bishop of C. is a twit
(though think I'd substitute "can always" for "should be asked")

[Welsh_Wizard]

I am all for diversity and in fairness, very few British born Muslims are in support of Dr Williams comments.

The comments have come from a man that obviously has missed the page in the Qu'ran that Devil Biccy has read which is all the more reason to completely dismiss him (Williams that is..)

I think that the general acceptance of others religions has to come first. When people around the country have a higher base level of understanding, comments from Williams won't be necessary. (Neither will the Church of England either ;) )

[sv-robo]

[-(would,nt want to be accused of being a racist:)

[G]

[-(would,nt want to be accused of being a racist:)


Its not racist to want a psycho hate preacher kicked out of the country.

Half the problem with this country is the fear of people playing the race card when they do try and kick people out of the country who are of a different origin.

[Defender]

Williams was the wrong man for the job in the 1st place. Sack him!

John Sentamu should get the job. He's the brilliant Archbishop of York.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sentamu
In October 2007, Dr Sentamu was awarded the Yorkshireman of the Year title by the Black Sheep Brewery (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sheep_Brewery).

[wyrdness]

Any immigrant that breaks the law, whether they have residency documentation or not...will be deported.

Does that mean that you'll be chucked out if you do anything dodgy?

Does this only apply to non-EU immigrants? I didn't think that they could legally deport EU citizens.

[Biker Biggles]

Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?:salut:

[sv-robo]

Half the problem with this country is the fear of people playing the race card when they do try and kick people out of the country who are of a different origin.
+1
but still[-(...:)

[northwind]

I suppose part of the problem is that the idea of sharia law is so varied in execution... Straight away we think of stonings and executions, hands cut off etc, but I remember reading a section of the Qur'an and some hadith specific to those punishments and it seemed to contradict the way these punishments are sometimes handed down. Just like with a lot of other things, the extreme images and depictions we seem don't always seem to fit the actual words of the faith... Not an exclusively islamic trait, as most popes could demonstrate :smt101

[Pedrosa]

Does that mean that you'll be chucked out if you do anything dodgy?

Does this only apply to non-EU immigrants? I didn't think that they could legally deport EU citizens.

Alas your right it does not apply to me! Yes those coming from non EU countries which does not only involve those with skin colour other than white.

Spain is plagued with scumbags from eastern european countries among others. There are those that play ball but unfortunately many others who have arrived purely to abuse whatever they can.

On the twisted rantings of clerics, as what they promote has no place in the UK,they and all that go along with their views should be asked to leave and seek a country where their cause will be more welcomed. Can you see many of them queing for flights back to the middle east et al?


Written in 1899 by Winston Churchill:

see next post.

[Pedrosa]

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.

The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.

A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.

[northwind]

Churchill had a lot of clever observations. He's not so much remembered for the half-witted ones like that one.

[ThEGr33k]

Is this a joke?

[Biker Biggles]

Hmmm.Im a lot less inclined to bash the bishop;) after actually reading what he said rather than jumping on the media bandwagon.He has posed a few very pertinent questions and suggested some possible solutions or outcomes and been howled down by the usual suspects who dont want to deal with those issues.
I have amazed myself here as I usually have no time for Archbishop W.

[Defender]

Hmmm.Im a lot less inclined to bash the bishop;) after actually reading what he said rather than jumping on the media bandwagon.He has posed a few very pertinent questions and suggested some possible solutions or outcomes and been howled down by the usual suspects who dont want to deal with those issues.
I have amazed myself here as I usually have no time for Archbishop W.

I took time out to read about what he has said in the past and I agree with some of it. Biggles, you're right about jumping on the bandwagon, we should try and obtain more facts before making knee jerk comments. However, we all do it.

Shame he didn't say anything that would get people back into church though!