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plowsie
14-05-08, 08:54 AM
Didnt post this last night cos I was knackered :lol:

Last night I was out on way to missus's and pulled up at M1 J15 roundabout to head down to my missus's, I hear a bike, next thing a VFR400 has filtered past me infront of me. Fair enough, leave him to it. He pulls off and the road is a long straight one, the idiot tucks in like a GP racer :lol: Then the double whites, nope don't bother him, I made all but one overtakes to watch him and his riding where i crossed a solid white line. That was in standing traffic. When he was waiting to make an overtake, he was no more than 6 feet away from the rear of the cars. His cornering was ****e, he was slowing cars up for cornering, he'd make a stupid risky overtake before a corner and then slow right up. I decided on one bend that I had had enough, saw the bend from a much better angle than he obviously did and went under him on the other side of the road, I hear a horn beep, his arms are flailling in anger motions. Now I made the overtake for 2 reasons, his riding was appalling and I didnt feel safe riding his way! I take the next few bends and take the second turning for the missus's village, halfway up the road pootling now, there he is, a distant spot in my mirror. I decide to pull over at the pub and see where he's off to, turns out he is coming to give me an earful.

Him "what the f*%k was up with that overtake mate?"
Me "nothing mate, how far were you looking up the road to see that it was harmless"
Him "far enough to see it was stupid, you never overtake on the isnside!"
Me "not my ruling, the way I see it mate, your riding was shabby and a danger to yourself and other road users, your overtakes were at a risk before you did them, what if the cars you are following stopped quickly, where would you have been left? Your riding was illegal in several spots, I mean yes we're all saints that ride bikes, but you mate were taking the ****! That was why I made the overtake"
Him "You were going too quick round the corners!"
Me - Just a baffled look, "I'm on a restricted bike mate, I can't go any quicker than you I would say, and you were Mr safe round all of them corners holding cars up weren't you"
Him "I enjoy my riding"
Me "You may enjoy it my friend, but it is at risk to yourself and others, I seriously suggest you go and do some sort of advanced training."

On that note I put my helmet on and the bloke said to me in a sort of crying out for help voice "I can't afford things like that, people tell me practice makes perfect"
Which actually made me think of advice that is given on here sometimes, maybe I was too hard on the guy, too critisisive of him, I was at that point possibly at some point.
"Phone number? Where you live?"
Gave me his details.
"I'll see you tomorrow night at Sixfields stadium, 7 o'clock."
"Thanks mate" was his reply.

Did I react wrongly or was I correct in my advice/slating to him?

Dicky Ticker
14-05-08, 09:01 AM
Constructive criticism and an offer to help-----------------------------your a saint

Alpinestarhero
14-05-08, 09:02 AM
you might have scared him going up the inside, hence why he felt bad. Personally, as long as someonesits behind me enough for me to notice them in my mirrors, I dont mind where they overtake so long as its safe.

You did the right thing for you by getting ahead; i always get ahead and put distance between myself and road users I feel are a bit poo if I can, or i'll drop right back. So long as I don;t get involved in their accident (if they have one).

Matt

Kinvig
14-05-08, 09:03 AM
You're gonna meet up for a ruck???????

SoulKiss
14-05-08, 09:06 AM
too critisisive of him

Wow - and you invent new words too - or did you hear that one on Jeremy Kyle ?????

"too critical" would have been correct.

Not sure I agree with your decision to overtake, and his reaction seems to have been from the fact you made him cack himself as you overtook.

However you recovered it very well by offering to have a chat/give pointers.

Hope you are both happy together on your date :-P

Paul the 6th
14-05-08, 09:08 AM
quality.

plowsie
14-05-08, 09:09 AM
Wow - and you invent new words too - or did you hear that one on Jeremy Kyle ?????

"too critical" would have been correct. Was struggling to find the right word there lol

Not sure I agree with your decision to overtake, and his reaction seems to have been from the fact you made him cack himself as you overtook. I didn't think there was much up with it, it was a piece of road that you could see very nicely up to make a clean overtake, there was no way that he was going to be overtaking as it was clear road infront

However you recovered it very well by offering to have a chat/give pointers.

Hope you are both happy together on your date :-P
Thanks David, would you like a doggy bag?

Alpinestarhero
14-05-08, 09:10 AM
You're gonna meet up for a ruck???????

my money is on jeremy kyle personally

SoulKiss
14-05-08, 09:16 AM
I was referring to the fact that in his world based on his theory of motorcycling, people dont do what you did - its the "unpredictibility" that got to him, not danger

ArtyLady
14-05-08, 09:22 AM
Do you mean you undertook him on a bend? Not sure thats advisable in case he had suddenly panicked (as he did sound to be doing on the bends) and pulled back to the left while you were there.

Sounds like he could do with some help but have you got the skills/qualifications/experience to advise him? (apologies if you have and Ive misinterpreted) Ive had plenty of advanced training but still wouldnt want to take it on myself to try and advise anyone.

Perhaps meet up with him anyway and direct him to a local advanced training group?

Good on you for being concerned though :cool: :D

Grinch
14-05-08, 09:23 AM
I'm a little confused...

plowsie
14-05-08, 09:31 AM
Do you mean you undertook him on a bend? Not sure thats advisable in case he had suddenly panicked (as he did sound to be doing on the bends) and pulled back to the left while you were there. I said I overtook on otherside of road, meaning it was a right hander ;)

Sounds like he could do with some help but have you got the skills/qualifications/experience to advise him? (apologies if you have and Ive misinterpreted) Ive had plenty of advanced training but still wouldnt want to take it on myself to try and advise anyone.

Perhaps meet up with him anyway and direct him to a local advanced training group?

Good on you for being concerned though :cool: :D
Can't do him no harm to come out with me, I know some good roads that he could learn a few bits on.

dirtydog
14-05-08, 09:38 AM
Right so after seeing his unpredictable riding/cornering you thought you'd go for an undertake? Well done! :smt120

Then you have a go at him for his riding being dangerous. Dangerous? That's pretty rich coming from someone who was riding on a completely f****d tyre!

As for offering to help him with his riding, I personally don't think you've got the experience to do it.

DanAbnormal
14-05-08, 09:39 AM
Lol. I'm not sure I wold have undertaken someone to get past (unless it was Stu) but nice of you to offer to help him out. Be careful that you don't fall in love with him, these things can sneak up on you and before you know it your romping around on a lovely glade with your leathers off.

Oh, and BE SAFE.....wink, wink.


:p

petevtwin650
14-05-08, 09:41 AM
Right so after seeing his unpredictable riding/cornering you thought you'd go for an undertake? Well done! :smt120

Then you have a go at him for his riding being dangerous. Dangerous? That's pretty rich coming from someone who was riding on a completely f****d tyre!

As for offering to help him with his riding, I personally don't think you've got the experience to do it.

Thank you DD for expressing my thoughts.

dirtydog
14-05-08, 09:42 AM
No problem Pete ;-)

ArtyLady
14-05-08, 09:42 AM
Can't do him no harm to come out with me, I know some good roads that he could learn a few bits on.

(see plowsies response in red writing in his post quoting mine) I beg your pardon - I misunderstood - apologies! His problem then - he obviously was humilated by his own inadequacies! ;)

plowsie
14-05-08, 09:42 AM
Right so after seeing his unpredictable riding/cornering you thought you'd go for an undertake? Well done! :smt120

Then you have a go at him for his riding being dangerous. Dangerous? That's pretty rich coming from someone who was riding on a completely f****d tyre!

As for offering to help him with his riding, I personally don't think you've got the experience to do it.
I haven't said I will help him have I, I'm not qualified to do so, prob be good for him to watch someone and take pointers from watching them.

ArtyLady
14-05-08, 09:44 AM
see Plowsies post quote from my post - the red writing :cool:

dirtydog
14-05-08, 09:45 AM
the bloke said to me in a sort of crying out for help voice "I can't afford things like that, people tell me practice makes perfect"

"Phone number? Where you live?"
Gave me his details.
"I'll see you tomorrow night at Sixfields stadium, 7 o'clock."
"Thanks mate" was his reply.



So what exactly are you saying here? To me that says he couldn't afford to get advanced training so you offered to help him

DanAbnormal
14-05-08, 09:46 AM
No problem Pete ;-)

Jeez get a room you two! :p

I would be wary of offering to 'train' or teach someone. I think you had good intentions, albeit a little misplaced.

plowsie
14-05-08, 09:49 AM
So what exactly are you saying here? To me that says he couldn't afford to get advanced training so you offered to help him
Yes I turned round to him and said, yeah you can go out front, I'll assess you and tell you where your going wrong, at the end of it I will give you marks out of ten.

No!

I have offered him to follow me round some roads and pic a few bits up.

We are all saints on here though I forgot aren't we, never do anything risky, never overtake other bikes on rides. Never cross that sold white.

SoulKiss
14-05-08, 09:52 AM
Never cross that sold white.

When Baph did the nice copper gave him marks out of 10 - well points rather than marks, and 3 out of 12 as I remember :P

dirtydog
14-05-08, 09:53 AM
Yes I turned round to him and said, yeah you can go out front, I'll assess you and tell you where your going wrong, at the end of it I will give you marks out of ten.

No!

I have offered him to follow me round some roads and pic a few bits up.

We are all saints on here though I forgot aren't we, never do anything risky, never overtake other bikes on rides. Never cross that sold white.


So you're still offering to help him by leading by example? Again I don't think you should be but that's just my opinion.

I have never said or implied that i'm a saint on a bike

petevtwin650
14-05-08, 09:54 AM
We are all saints on here though I forgot aren't we, never do anything risky, never overtake other bikes on rides. Never cross that sold white.

Not a saint. Thank god.

If someone wants a bit of advice and asks, that's one thing, but really Plowsie, what makes you think you know better than him.?

plowsie
14-05-08, 09:55 AM
I have never said or implied that i'm a saint on a bike
Was a more generic part of my post mate, not just aimed at you ;)

plowsie
14-05-08, 09:57 AM
Not a saint. Thank god.

If someone wants a bit of advice and asks, that's one thing, but really Plowsie, what makes you think you know better than him.?
Erm, the fact he couldn't corner properly and that he was way to close to cars before an overtake, don't do that myself. Do you?

What makes anyone think they are better than anyone? Assumptions, maybe tonight he may be a Moto GP star and just wanted to suprise me.

dirtydog
14-05-08, 09:58 AM
How many people that have contributed to this thread have implied that they are saints then? None that i can see

plowsie
14-05-08, 10:01 AM
I was defending myself against your post, i'm not a saint, I know that, but who is. Was the way I meant it.

petevtwin650
14-05-08, 10:02 AM
Erm, the fact he couldn't corner properly and that he was way to close to cars before an overtake, don't do that myself. Do you?



Actually I do get sucked into sitting too close behind cars sometimes, but then I'm not perfect. We all make mistakes, it's just that some are more important than others.

yorkie_chris
14-05-08, 10:04 AM
Quite easy to say "yes mate nice one ... IAM's that way"

Whats the problem with offering to help someone out in that way? Give them a little advise on looking where you want to go and where to position the bike etc. You never know, it might save the guys neck.

sinbad
14-05-08, 10:06 AM
I can't say I agree with your riding. In my experience people do that sort of thing because their ego is controlling their actions. It's as if you decided to try and demonstrate that you're better, and for what?

plowsie
14-05-08, 10:09 AM
I can't say I agree with your riding. In my experience people do that sort of thing because their ego is controlling their actions. It's as if you decided to try and demonstrate that you're better, and for what?
No as said I got out of the way as I felt his riding was shabby, I didnt feel comfortable following him. Possibly my ego was controlling my actions, can't see how though.

yorkie_chris
14-05-08, 10:10 AM
He's overtaken the guy around a right hander with good visibility? Who's never overtaken anything like that before?

Personally I wouldn't overtake them at the entry to the corner unless they decide to take advantage of the visibility and striaghtline it, I'd wait untill they had turned in and their line was obvious before commiting to anything.
But that's just me, it doesn't make it a horrendously suicidal manuevre.


Oh yeah the sensible thing to do would have been to pull up and wait a while before continuing, tried this, you'll just catch them up again, making it fairly pointless.

dirtydog
14-05-08, 10:11 AM
Quite easy to say "yes mate nice one ... IAM's that way"




Indeed, most IAM groups give people a free assesment ride so that could've been ideal for the bloke and in the grand scheme of things the IAM isn't that expensive

dirtydog
14-05-08, 10:16 AM
He's overtaken the guy around a right hander with good visibility? Who's never overtaken anything like that before?




I think the thing people picked up on in the op was Plowsie saing he "went under him" when in fact he had just overtaken him

yorkie_chris
14-05-08, 10:16 AM
A fair point and probably the best course of action for the guy. But, a gentle rideout and a couple of words of advice, whats wrong with that?

It's easier on the other guys pride too, meaning he's more likely to take something from it!

neio79
14-05-08, 10:19 AM
I don’t think there is anything wrong in going for a ride with him, having him sit behind you maybe follow you. That way he may pick up few tips on better cornering and be great full, don’t give him the mis conception you know everything. Just ride with him to help his confidence a bit. Sugest he oes on a bike safe, its free and well worth it. I learnt loads on mine.

After all I know I benefit from riding with smoother and faster riders watching their lines etc.

As for your overtake I can see why he was angry, just because he was on a diff approach line doesn’t mean he was not going to try and occupy the space you over took in!! If you had taken me on a corner like that then maybe I would have been a bit angry, sounds like you pulled a track move on him on the road. Good overtaking technique on a track up the inside on a corner, but not for the road mate. Took him by surprise and scared him a bit. As you know yourself if you are startled in a corner it can un settle you.

petevtwin650
14-05-08, 10:24 AM
Didnt post this last night cos I was knackered :lol:

Last night I was out on way to missus's and pulled up at M1 J15 roundabout to head down to my missus's, I hear a bike, next thing a VFR400 has filtered past me infront of me. Fair enough, leave him to it. He pulls off and the road is a long straight one, the idiot tucks in like a GP racer :lol: Then the double whites, nope don't bother him, I made all but one overtakes to watch him and his riding where i crossed a solid white line. That was in standing traffic. When he was waiting to make an overtake, he was no more than 6 feet away from the rear of the cars. His cornering was ****e, he was slowing cars up for cornering, he'd make a stupid risky overtake before a corner and then slow right up. I decided on one bend that I had had enough, saw the bend from a much better angle than he obviously did and went under him on the other side of the road, I hear a horn beep, his arms are flailling in anger motions. Now I made the overtake for 2 reasons, his riding was appalling and I didnt feel safe riding his way! I take the next few bends and take the second turning for the missus's village, halfway up the road pootling now, there he is, a distant spot in my mirror. I decide to pull over at the pub and see where he's off to, turns out he is coming to give me an earful.



Yes it's the feeling to the post.

Who hasn't tucked into their fairing for effect?

He follows him to watch his riding.

And that evocative phrase "went under him" when overtook on a bend is what he meant.

I dunno. Perhaps it's my age.:(

yorkie_chris
14-05-08, 10:27 AM
I probably would've overtaken him at some point too, problem with 33bhp is when someones riding like a d1ck then you can't get past them on the straights, but they're in the way every time you come to a corner!

plowsie
14-05-08, 10:28 AM
Okay the right hander "if that" in question, as it is on a slight camber, theoretically under is correct!

http://tinyurl.com/4pyhn2

Heading down the road as you look at it.

dirtydog
14-05-08, 10:31 AM
You'll find that when you say i went under him when refering to riding on the road most people will see it as you passed on the left of him, on a race track it would mean either side of him depending on the direction of the corner

Blue_SV650S
14-05-08, 10:31 AM
... Be careful that you don't fall in love with him, these things can sneak up on you and before you know it your romping around on a lovely glade with your leathers off.

Indeed, swapping numbers with a complete strangers after a heated debate ... I can only see this going one way ...

Angry botty s3x!! :D

SoulKiss
14-05-08, 10:33 AM
Indeed, swapping numbers with a complete strangers after a heated debate ... I can only see this going one way ...

Angry botty s3x!! :D

Ahhhh, the voice of experience I think

Biker Biggles
14-05-08, 10:35 AM
I can see a Max Moselyesque spanking session resulting here.Make sure you wear your best dress uniform with polished lapel flashes.The Knights Cross with fig leaves is mandatory.:rolleyes:

Lozzo
14-05-08, 10:41 AM
Not sure I agree with your decision to overtake, and his reaction seems to have been from the fact you made him cack himself as you overtook.


Nor me, I prefer ****s like that where I can see them, i.e. in front of me. I'll overtake and get the hell away from them as soon as the opportunity arises, if I'm on a bike capable of putting serious distance between me and him asap, just in case they screw up one more time and rear-end me.

Blue_SV650S
14-05-08, 10:45 AM
Ahhhh, the voice of experience I think

:lol:

Sosha
14-05-08, 10:58 AM
You'll find that when you say i went under him when refering to riding on the road most people will see it as you passed on the left of him, on a race track it would mean either side of him depending on the direction of the corner


Now you've confused me..... I see it as passing on the inside of the corner....no?

Edit: OK got it - Overtaking/undertaking I'll wander off now...

Warthog
14-05-08, 11:57 AM
I am a bit confused, did you undertake him (as in on his left between him and the verge) or just overtake him on a bend? If someone undertook me at speed I would be fuming. But an overtake at a safe spot is fair enough, if he cacks himself then his mirror obs were not good enough.

Anyway, the best improvment to my riding came from following other people that were better than me; seeing their lean angles etc. So it is good that you are going for a ride with him, so long as you are not teaching him bad techniques and riding with bald tyres!

muffles
14-05-08, 11:58 AM
Let us know how the date goes :lol:

I don't think it can hurt to observe someone else (to make you think about your own riding and what you do the same/differently), maybe he just rides alone. As long as you make it clear you're not trying to instruct him so he doesn't just copy everything.

yorkie_chris
14-05-08, 12:00 PM
And so long as he doesn't turn up with 10 mates to give you a kicking for scaring him. Doesn't sound like you'll have much trouble outrunning him anyway lol

Mogs
14-05-08, 12:46 PM
Plowsie, please be careful on what you say to him, IAM observers have taken additional training and passed quite a tough test, this then gives them insurance coverage should anything go wrong. The IAM does not do training they offer observed rides and guidance. If you advise him incorrectly or he misinterprets your words, you are potentially liable. I still think you have done the right thing. When he said "practice makes perfect" he is correct, but what if he's practicing bad habits, be very care you dont show him any. If I were you I find out the contact for the local IAM or RoSPA and give it to him after you rideout.

plowsie
14-05-08, 01:18 PM
I am a bit confused, did you undertake him (as in on his left between him and the verge) or just overtake him on a bend? If someone undertook me at speed I would be fuming. But an overtake at a safe spot is fair enough, if he cacks himself then his mirror obs were not good enough.
I went under him on his right hand side, pretty much on the exit of a bend. I saw no traffic or problem with the overtake.

Mogs, already got it for him mate. Got the bikesafe website for him.

Baph
14-05-08, 02:30 PM
Now, what's done is done.

However, a long while back, I came up behind a guy on a 125 that obviously couldn't ride to save his life. He saw me behind him, and decided to gun it trying to race me. So I backed off.

A couple of minutes later I was on the phone as he'd put the bike through a dry stone wall. :shock:

So now, if anyone wants to ride like a kn*b near me, I'll just back way off if I don't know them, and maybe even pull over. They want to risk their life, that's fine, I'll let them do it without wiping me out!

I don't disagree with what you did Plowsie, and good on you for offering to help.

Stu
14-05-08, 05:58 PM
I went under him on his right hand side, pretty much on the exit of a bend. .
So you are still insisting that as he was leant over, at the momemt you overtook him your tyres were underneath (or to the left) of his head as he was leant over? :???:


That sounds pretty close for the road* :shock:

I think for road riding 'under' should be reserved for passing on the left in the UK.



*went under him on the other side of the road - so I guess you weren't close

ThEGr33k
15-05-08, 01:02 AM
I probably scared a fella on a Sv the other day I kinda went past fast... I think he knew I was there before I went past as he seemed to move over a bit. :(

Was a silver Pointy going through Wentworth towards Rotherham if its anyone here, a biggish fella by the looks. I was the thwait on the Falco. Sorry.

lukemillar
15-05-08, 01:02 AM
Yes it's the feeling to the post.

Who hasn't tucked into their fairing for effect?


I was thinking the same

I do that all the time! It's not an attempt to look cool, it's just the best way to ride a sportsbike. Takes the weight off your wrists and makes steering the bike a lot easier! :)

lukemillar
15-05-08, 01:04 AM
Ahhhh, the voice of experience I think

and jealousy! :p :wink:

Defender
15-05-08, 06:32 AM
plowise, how did your date go ;)

plowsie
15-05-08, 08:30 AM
Went reasonably well TBH, at the end of the ride when we pulled up at the pub, he was very happy with the way things had gone, I upped the pace a little through bends every so often and it took him a while to get it but he eventually did. He said even though he was doing a good pace, he felt relaxed.

I did however say to him, don't get over confident and get yourself to Bikesafe, IAM or something similar. Don't take my advice as the right advice, listen to the proffesionals.

neio79
15-05-08, 09:37 AM
Went reasonably well TBH, at the end of the ride when we pulled up at the pub, he was very happy with the way things had gone, I upped the pace a little through bends every so often and it took him a while to get it but he eventually did. He said even though he was doing a good pace, he felt relaxed.

I did however say to him, don't get over confident and get yourself to Bikesafe, IAM or something similar. Don't take my advice as the right advice, listen to the proffesionals.


right so you are the lead on NW3.5 then?? we shall all follow ;)

I am going to go past you on every straight i can in a full racing tuck now mate just to take the p in a joking way :p

plowsie
15-05-08, 09:40 AM
Lol you can try passing me if you like mate, you'll have to come Northampton though mate :lol:

neio79
15-05-08, 09:41 AM
Lol you can try passing me if you like mate, you'll have to come Northampton though mate :lol:

Oh you not going anymore then??

and i could leave it in first and leave you in my exhaust fumes;)

plowsie
15-05-08, 09:44 AM
Oh you not going anymore then??

and i could leave it in first and leave you in my exhaust fumes;)
No mate not anymore

And yarp, its true.

neio79
15-05-08, 09:48 AM
No mate not anymore

.


:( why?

plowsie
15-05-08, 09:53 AM
No money mate as usual.

Ed
15-05-08, 11:57 AM
No comment on the overtake as I wasn't there

On the other piece - how many people on here had driving lessons or supervision from their dad/mum/brother/sister or someone else who wasn't a qualified instructor? I did... and what's more, I supervised my sister when she was learning to drive. Shouldn't I have done?

Stu
15-05-08, 12:21 PM
Well said Ed :D

I think it was unfortunate everyone lept on Plowsie because they thought he had undertaken him.

But sounds like it has ended really well

Letting someone follow you to see if they can learn something with the proviso (that he did) "i'm not a prof. go to BS, IAM or something" should usually be OK

Drew Carey
15-05-08, 12:31 PM
Plowsie - fair play and well done......the biggest help I got with my riding was to follow a more experienced rider and watch them (Pete & Lissa). Most who know me will agree that since then and my accident my riding has improved significantly.

In my view nothing wrong with passing on your views and helping them out, so long as they understand your not a trainer etc, my best mate does this all the time with me and is constructive and helpful.

As for the overtake.....like Ed said......wasn't there so can't comment and not my place to do so.

plowsie
15-05-08, 01:11 PM
As for the overtake.....like Ed said......wasn't there so can't comment and not my place to do so.
Ok put it like this, those that were on NW2 for the last section of it on the Sunday, it wasn't even as bad as the bit where we did those sports bikes!

neio79
15-05-08, 01:18 PM
[quote=Drew Carey;1510035] Most who know me will agree that since then and my accident my riding has improved significantly.

[quote]

you are still cr*p though mate ;) LOL. Although still better than me :(

timwilky
15-05-08, 01:32 PM
Lesson no 1 from Plowsie. Advance running over yourself.

Alpinestarhero
15-05-08, 01:47 PM
Lesson no 1 from Plowsie. Advance running over yourself.

he'll never live that down :D

yorkie_chris
15-05-08, 01:53 PM
right so you are the lead on NW3.5 then?? we shall all follow ;)

I am going to go past you on every straight i can in a full racing tuck now mate just to take the p in a joking way :p

Take full advantage of the aerodynamics of your power ranger gear then eh? ;-)

neio79
15-05-08, 02:13 PM
Take full advantage of the aerodynamics of your power ranger gear then eh? ;-)


Go go power rangers!! Yep indeed, and the 105BHP at the rear wheel as well. :p;)

mr.anderson
15-05-08, 03:22 PM
Go go power rangers!! Yep indeed, and the 105BHP at the rear wheel as well. :p;)

125?

neio79
15-05-08, 03:26 PM
125?

nope 125 at the crank.

105 is what a standard 6R pushes out at the wheel, raising to about 111 for one with a full system and PC set up.

mr.anderson
15-05-08, 03:30 PM
That's a rather inefficient transmission/chain etc, wouldn't you say?

Still, whatever it is, its still ridiculously quick (for me).

SoulKiss
15-05-08, 03:32 PM
That's a rather inefficient transmission/chain etc, wouldn't you say?

Still, whatever it is, its still ridiculously quick (for me).

Hey your back Mr A

You bringing the second best looking Black Kwak in London to Frith tomorrow?

neio79
15-05-08, 03:35 PM
That's a rather inefficient transmission/chain etc, wouldn't you say?

Still, whatever it is, its still ridiculously quick (for me).


more like Kwak over egg their claims a bit. But al the bike mags etc get between 105-109 standard , obviously that variation is due to different dyno machines. I was happy with the 105 as standard. I have stuck n a scorpion pipe and will get a PC to see what that can be tuned to give :)

you are right, stupidly quick though.

mr.anderson
15-05-08, 03:43 PM
Hey your back Mr A

You bringing the second best looking Black Kwak in London to Frith tomorrow?

I have been missing the Massive largely. Get my bike back on Saturday morning, so will have to be next friday at Frith.

We shall have to see about whose is better looking.

Defender
15-05-08, 05:51 PM
I'd just like to say plowsie did very well.

I think he acted with balls and he is to be admired for taking time out to help a fellow biker.

(did I say enough plowsie - when do I get my cheque)

Davido
15-05-08, 06:00 PM
Omfg, the guy offers to help someone out with a few pointers and you all go crazy.

If you've broken down and someone offers to help, do you say "are you a trained mechanic? if not, then i highly doubt you have the experience to help me. good day. *turns nose up*"

Now because I'm not trained in giving opinions, you'll have to bear with me here as I lack the experience of someone fully qualified.

dizzyblonde
15-05-08, 06:08 PM
maybe plowsies got a new friend? yes plowsie may have come across a little harsh, maybe shouldn't have suggested to give the guy pointers, maybe could have gone at it in different approach...at the end of the day, the guy could of told him to pee of impolitely and gone on his way.
However if the guy turns up for 'the date' then just a ride with a new mate is the approach, if he asks for an opinion give it him, if not think before saying

......heres where YC comes in and says 'you can talk Dizzy'..lol or I'm patronising. I don't think plowsie is wrong, good on him for having a go at helping someone. He may or may not have a new mate...we shall see

muffles
15-05-08, 06:54 PM
Omfg, the guy offers to help someone out with a few pointers and you all go crazy.

If you've broken down and someone offers to help, do you say "are you a trained mechanic? if not, then i highly doubt you have the experience to help me. good day. *turns nose up*"

Now because I'm not trained in giving opinions, you'll have to bear with me here as I lack the experience of someone fully qualified.

Like it ;) now on a completely separate topic you just changed your bike right? Got any pics?

DanAbnormal
15-05-08, 08:39 PM
Omfg, the guy offers to help someone out with a few pointers and you all go crazy.

If you've broken down and someone offers to help, do you say "are you a trained mechanic? if not, then i highly doubt you have the experience to help me. good day. *turns nose up*"

Now because I'm not trained in giving opinions, you'll have to bear with me here as I lack the experience of someone fully qualified.

Cracked me up. Bloody good point though, I think sometimes we all get on our high horses a bit as it's a forum. I certainly very rarely post all that seriously, so take a lot of these comments with a large helping of salt. ;)

ThEGr33k
15-05-08, 09:09 PM
Gr33ks Top untrained (Davido) Tip keep the bike rubber side down. :D

leatherpatches
15-05-08, 09:54 PM
Sounds like the blind leading the blind if you ask me.

yorkie_chris
15-05-08, 11:38 PM
maybe plowsies got a new friend? yes plowsie may have come across a little harsh, maybe shouldn't have suggested to give the guy pointers, maybe could have gone at it in different approach...at the end of the day, the guy could of told him to pee of impolitely and gone on his way.
However if the guy turns up for 'the date' then just a ride with a new mate is the approach, if he asks for an opinion give it him, if not think before saying

......heres where YC comes in and says 'you can talk Dizzy'..lol or I'm patronising. I don't think plowsie is wrong, good on him for having a go at helping someone. He may or may not have a new mate...we shall see

Actually I agree with you here lou

I'll also add maybe he's saved the guys life, in which case maybe he's not an IAM observer, but he's done as much good as many.

leatherpatches
16-05-08, 05:19 AM
Actually I agree with you here lou

I'll also add maybe he's saved the guys life, in which case maybe he's not an IAM observer, but he's done as much good as many.

Or maybe he has taught/shown the guy something highly dangerous that will cause him to crash somewhere down the line. Hard to know unless you're a trained instructor.

I actually find it slightly arrogant to think your own riding is 'better' than someone else's and they should be more like you. Faster, maybe. Safer, possibly. But one man's good line in a corner is another's disaster. For example it's true that many of us will take a racing type line through a corner, cutting across the apex in order to get around quicker. However, the IAM would advocate a completely different line; maximising the view ahead and minimizing risk.

The last thing you need when you're focussing on your riding is someone blatting past you on a bend. That sort of thing should definitely be saved for the track.

Arrogant riders always have their **** handed to them sooner or later.

plowsie
16-05-08, 08:28 AM
Or maybe he has taught/shown the guy something highly dangerous that will cause him to crash somewhere down the line. Hard to know unless you're a trained instructor.

I actually find it slightly arrogant to think your own riding is 'better' than someone else's and they should be more like you. Faster, maybe. Safer, possibly. But one man's good line in a corner is another's disaster. For example it's true that many of us will take a racing type line through a corner, cutting across the apex in order to get around quicker. However, the IAM would advocate a completely different line; maximising the view ahead and minimizing risk.

The last thing you need when you're focussing on your riding is someone blatting past you on a bend. That sort of thing should definitely be saved for the track.

Arrogant riders always have their **** handed to them sooner or later.
WHEN THE F*CK DID I SAY I WAS BETTER YOU TIT! I wasn't trying to show him that I am the new Casey truckin Stoner, I was getting myself out of the way as I didn't feel safe following him. You don't know me, you don't know what my riding is like, however if you would like to come over to my place and go out for a ride, get to know me a bit better so you can then judge me as an arrogant rider feel free. I never said he should be like me did I?

Alpinestarhero
16-05-08, 08:34 AM
Plowsie did the right thing for himself; he deemed it both possible and safe to get past the rider and get some distance between him and the other bloke. Ok, the overtake wasnt the best place, but we dont know the corner; plowise may have had the right line to see right round, there might have been low hedges so he can see into the distance.

Theres nothing wrong with giving people a few pointers if you can see something that they need to improve; I had a chat with a lady who was lacking some slowl control once while filtering, and I suggested she use the back brake more and keep her feet up on the pegs, in order to get control.

Am I the worlds best rider? no.

I've even told my dad he might wanna try backing off a bit behind cars, so he can spot filtering opurtunities a bit easier...now thats cheeky, cos he;s been riding bikes for 35 years!

Matt

SoulKiss
16-05-08, 08:37 AM
I've even told my dad he might wanna try backing off a bit behind cars, so he can spot filtering opurtunities a bit easier...now thats cheeky, cos he;s been riding bikes for 35 years!

He then sent you to your room with no supper and stopped your pocket money for a week I guess :P

And Plowsie - no need to be so defensive mate - just CHILL and lay off the CAPS :P

plowsie
16-05-08, 08:38 AM
Okay the right hander "if that" in question, as it is on a slight camber, theoretically under is correct!

http://tinyurl.com/4pyhn2

Heading down the road as you look at it.
Here's the so called corner again

jimmy__riddle
16-05-08, 09:01 AM
my 2p

As a new rider myself, if i was out and someone offered to take me on a ride and show a few pointers i would be pretty happy.

i think thats 10 times better than just passing someone then thinking about how crap they were!

shows some people are willing to help others (something thats fading fast in this country)

yorkie_chris
16-05-08, 09:44 AM
Or maybe he has taught/shown the guy something highly dangerous that will cause him to crash somewhere down the line. Hard to know unless you're a trained instructor.

I actually find it slightly arrogant to think your own riding is 'better' than someone else's and they should be more like you. Faster, maybe. Safer, possibly. But one man's good line in a corner is another's disaster. For example it's true that many of us will take a racing type line through a corner, cutting across the apex in order to get around quicker. However, the IAM would advocate a completely different line; maximising the view ahead and minimizing risk.

The last thing you need when you're focussing on your riding is someone blatting past you on a bend. That sort of thing should definitely be saved for the track.

Arrogant riders always have their **** handed to them sooner or later.

If plowsie sounds arrogant, you sound far worse.

Alpinestarhero
16-05-08, 09:47 AM
Here's the so called corner again


the left hander (if you are travelling north) or the other one?

Either way, they look like pretty long corners

plowsie
16-05-08, 09:48 AM
If your heading south on the map it makes it a right hander, the corner drops down a hill and the hedges are low to the next corner so I saw all of what was coming.

sinbad
16-05-08, 11:07 AM
It's amazing how corners can look so tame on google earth.

650SFTT
16-05-08, 11:51 AM
+1 to Plowsie, if more people were like him the world would be a better place! :cool: