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Stolen from VD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Yqyv7XR1kU
What are your opinions and views on this?
He looks quick smooth to me. I reckon that if it was me on the bike I would be all over the shop :rolleyes:
Hmm, overall, he's more smooth than I am, and I'm sad to say that he hang back from cars before the overtake far more than I do (though I'm working on that).
There's a couple of faults I'd pick with his lines though. For example, the right hand bend with the white van, I wouldn't of been that near the van. Also I saw what looked to be a driveway (white side road), possibly covered in gravel, and he got a little too close to the gravel for my liking, but then, I can't see the surface and I'm assuming it's gravel.
EDIT: Just watched it again, it was hard to spot the first time around, but maybe that van was inevitable. Looks like there's a pedestrian on the left waiting to cross. 50/50 positioning would put you closer to the van.
Is it me, or does his back end step out on one of the right handers somewhere 3-4mins in? That's not very smooth & controlled either, especially in the dry.
But like I said, still better than me.
Unfortunately that helicopter view doesn't give much information about what the copper is planning for, and merely shows it in a reactionary light. If the helicopter had of been at a lower angle it might of been better.
I wish they did bikesafe initiative in my area, i'd take up the chance for some police further training!
I like him using the other side of the road for a better line!
metalmonkey
12-06-08, 10:00 PM
I wish they did bikesafe initiative in my area, i'd take up the chance for some police further training!
I like him using the other side of the road for a better line!
Where do u live I'm sure there will be something!
Rhiwbina_Squirrel
12-06-08, 10:05 PM
My one critisism is that he's not using the 'two second rule'. I know he's trying to overtake but for quite a while he seems too close. Riding lines are good though.
Alex
It looks like a nice piece of riding, the copter gives it a different type of view but not the best view for that type of display.
Ch00
Blue_SV650S
12-06-08, 10:30 PM
Doesn't look like much fun to me!! ;)
Doesn't look like much fun to me!! ;)
I never said it looked fun :smt077.
I just liked the fact he looked smooth and flowing compared to how I feel when I am riding. However, I guess after two months riding I still have room for improvement :rolleyes:
Blue_SV650S
12-06-08, 10:53 PM
I never said it looked fun :smt077.
I just liked the fact he looked smooth and flowing compared to how I feel when I am riding. However, I guess after two months riding I still have room for improvement :rolleyes:
I've been riding bikes for just over 21 years (~18 on the road) .. I don't ride like that, but more importantly don't want to ride like that - so will never learn!! ;)
I have adopted my own riding style/way that I think has a happy combination of safety and speed/fun ... I am sure riding the police way is much 'safer' that my style, but the police way/IAM way is just not something I aspire to as it looks dull as feck!!!! ;) (I am NOT for a second saying my way is 'better').
I KNOW my riding isn't the 'safest' as I take more risk, due to that I realise I might get splatted tomorrow (I really hope not, but fully accept that), but with 18yrs on the road so far under my belt, we can prolly assume that I have either been ridiculously lucky so far or the style I have adopted/the risks I take isn't/aren't all that bad!!! ;)
So again, to summerise, its prolly the safest way to go about business, but where is the 'fun' ... and just coz you don't ride like that doesn't necessarily mean you won't last 5 mins out there, so what is all the fuss about?! :rolleyes:
Shellywoozle
12-06-08, 10:59 PM
I see what ya saying Blue but the rozzas ain't gonna incourage you to ride any other than safely so that is all to expect from their vidoes.
Ya see, I should do a Bikesafe video, I will show you how to loose it on a virtually straight road and how to land on all fours getting both knees down ;) , now you would find that one funny :)
You must be doing something right Blue to have that many years under ya belt, surely in some form you adopt the some of the advanced riding techniques ... go on admit it LOL
Blue_SV650S
12-06-08, 11:13 PM
You must be doing something right Blue to have that many years under ya belt, surely in some form you adopt the some of the advanced riding techniques ... go on admit it LOL
I think much of it is basic survival instinct, you try and maximise your view and make an analysis of danger and try and minimise you exposure to it ... I can't believe anyone can survive in life if they can't make basic danger analysis?
I reiterate, I am NOT saying how I ride is 'better' (but I can guarantee it is more exhilarating than that yawn factory ;)).
timwilky
13-06-08, 10:17 AM
Where do u live I'm sure there will be something!
Depends. Lancs for instance refuse to do Bikesafe.
I think much of it is basic survival instinct, you try and maximise your view and make an analysis of danger and try and minimise you exposure to it ... I can't believe anyone can survive in life if they can't make basic danger analysis?
Exactly. Do people really need to be told that it's safer to be able to see up the road than it is to have your head and shoulders over the centre line in a right hand bend on a road lined with hedges? Hopefully not.
Warthog
13-06-08, 12:03 PM
Right at the end where he rides on the other side of the road?! There is no need! If you are keeping to the speed limit, then you can go round the bend in your own lane perfectly safely. I think its just asking for trouble if you start encouraging all motorcyclists to try and use both lanes for bends they think are clear.
On the subject of off-siding...
I do it nearly all the time on the bike when approaching a left bend. I also do it in the car.
Why? Well, it gives a better view. More often than not I'm towards the middle of the wrong half of the road, ocasionally going to the far off-side when I deem it safe to do so.
I'll happily do it when I go on BikeSafe as well, and see what the instructor says about it.
But then, there has been a whole thread on this subject recently.
Depends. Lancs for instance refuse to do Bikesafe.
As do Greater Manchester.
Where do u live I'm sure there will be something!
Derby, I e-mailed the bikesafe rep for derby a while ago and they e-mailed back to tell me they don't do anything in derby, but that the council subsidise a "Bike plus" scheme, which I'm hoping to get on at some time this year. But it's not really the same thing at all, bikeplus is just taught by the same guys that do lessons, bikesafe is generally police advanced riders etc.
21QUEST
17-06-08, 11:38 AM
Not bad ;) but at 5:49, he should have been a bit more to the centre line to maximise the view for him/driver of vehicle that might be pull out of road on the left...IMHO of course ;)
Ben
....For example, the right hand bend with the white van,...
Yeah thought that as well but as said, helecopter angle doesn't show his view
Derby, I e-mailed the bikesafe rep for derby a while ago and they e-mailed back to tell me they don't do anything in derby,...
Which is a surprise considering they are listed on the Bikesafe (http://www.bikesafe.co.uk/) website, though a bit late in the year (normally booked up early) may be worth asking an adjoining force
Al_Sweetman
18-06-08, 08:00 AM
Hmm at two minutes (the overtake) he doesn't do a shoulder check before he moves out - opinions?
Hmm at two minutes (the overtake) he doesn't do a shoulder check before he moves out - opinions?
Do you always? I'll admit I don't, not when I'm towards the middle of the road, and the first to overtake after a vehicle has passed in the opposite direction. I'm aware of the things behind me, I'm constantly checking my mirror(s) whilst waiting for the gap in oncoming traffic and indicator on before the gap arrives. I go immediately once the oncoming vehicle has passed, if there was something there it would have been wiped out by the oncoming vehicle. I don't see the point in looking when there's no way anything could be there. It's more likely that there would be something on your left as you pull back in after the overtake.
stuartyboy
18-06-08, 01:27 PM
44/5 secs his position contradicts what he is saying about safety. He says he's giving them room. There's a white van, an opening and presumablygravel so he should presumably be at the nearside to get the best and safest view.
Off siding...there was one of these police accident programs on recently where an Africa twin was off siding and went down. The police investigators were critical of this. Maybe an off siding thread for opinions??
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