wurth dry chain lube (again)

[kwak zzr]

we had this debate about which chain lube is best recently, well ive been using this wurth dry stuff for a while now and my chain is rattling and sounding like theres no lube on it at all? i dont like the sound tbh and am thinking of changing back to pj1 which i used to use, anyone else had this?

[fizzwheel]

Nope its been fine on the chain on Liz's Duke.

How often are you applying the lube to it ?

[Lozzo]

The words 'dry' and 'lube' don't go together, simple as that. Get a Scottoiler on it and just clean it more often if that sort of thing floats your particular boat. A properly set up oiler doesn't create much mess anyway.

[kwak zzr]

Nope its been fine on the chain on Liz's Duke.

How often are you applying the lube to it ?

well because of it sounding dry i'm sticking loads on.

[fizzwheel]

I found it goes on better if you lube it after a run. I.e when the chains warm.

Knowing you this is a daft question, but what sort of state is your chain in, i.e is it nice and clean ?

[kwak zzr]

oh yes! its clean.

[fizzwheel]

Don't know then. If you're not happy with it, then change for something else.

[kwak zzr]

i like the clean ness off the dry stuff so aslong as its doing its job i'll keep using it.

[the_lone_wolf]

the "lube" is only there to keep the o-rings alive, not to lubricate the chain and sprockets, that's all behind the o-rings...

if the chain isn't stretching or generally binding then it's doing it's job, if it sounds dry that's because it is, the clue is in the "dry lube" bit:mrgreen:;)

[kwak zzr]

the best my rear wheel has ever run was when i soaked my chain in car engine oil, it virtually ran friction free! this was noticeable alot upon riding the bike but it did fling everywhere as expected! it seemed to clean the chain well too, i might try that again.

[fizzwheel]

Kwak, if you're going to do that you might as well get a ScottOiler, setup right it wont fling that much and the oil comes off really easily if it does fling.

[Dave20046]

I've used worth dry chain lube but now I'm on bike it or something.
My mate used to boil his in a cocktail of oils... :drunken:

[Lozzo]

the "lube" is only there to keep the o-rings alive, not to lubricate the chain and sprockets, that's all behind the o-rings...



So what's between the rollers and the sprockets, scotch mist? The lube is there for a number of reasons, to preserve the O rings, to lubricate between the rollers and pins, to lubricate between the rollers and sprockets and to prevent the chain from corroding. Dry lube cannot do all of this because it does not move around, the only way to properly lube a chain is to have the correct grade of oil fed onto it keeping the whole chain slightly wet. A dry chain will overheat, corrode and wear, that's simple science for you

[jumjum_0214]

I have been using Wurth dry lube for about 6 months and 4k. My chain now makes a terrible noise :-( Im thinking of changing but i dont want something thats gonna go everywhere.

[shonadoll]

Another vote for a scottoiler then. No fuss, just does the job.

[kwak zzr]

dont know why but the word scottoiler makes me think of baphs back wheel :(

[the_lone_wolf]

So what's between the rollers and the sprockets, scotch mist?

even though you're being a grumpy old sod i'll take time to explain it to you;)

why do you think the rollers are called rollers? because they roll perhaps? the rollers roll around the pins in the chain links, they are lubricated internally. there's no need for a lubricant between the rollers and the sprockets because there's no movement of one over the other

In a modern O-Ring chain you're not lubing the rolling action of the chain but protecting the O-rings themselves from friction and particulate damage

i take my apology humble with a side of grovelling thanks:cool:

[Lozzo]

Seriously Daz, a quick 2 minute wipe over with WD40 and a rag every couple of weeks is all my regularly used SV needs to keep the rear wheel looking clean. Scottoilers are worth every penny.

[shonadoll]

dont know why but the word scottoiler makes me think of baphs back wheel :(

You need some sort of therapy then, cos they are so worth it. :smt057 They do such a good job too, and you just bung it on and it does all the work, happy happy happy things they are!!!:smt057:smt057

Hope this worked.:smt057

[kwak zzr]

yea the word scottoiler now makes me think loving things :smt057

[Lozzo]

even though you're being a grumpy old sod i'll take time to explain it to you;)

why do you think the rollers are called rollers? because they roll perhaps? the rollers roll around the pins in the chain links, they are lubricated internally. there's no need for a lubricant between the rollers and the sprockets because there's no movement of one over the other



i take my apology humble with a side of grovelling thanks:cool:

Sorry, but I don't buy that explanation one bit. Rollers move around on the teeth of the sprocket which is why you get wear patterns forming, they need lubing too. I'll accept that the O rings need preserving, but there's a lot more to lubing a chain that just keeping the O rings good. Do you seriously think the tiny amount of grease behind the O ring stays there diring a chain's life and keeps lubing forever, if you do you've never cut a worn chain off a bike.

[the_lone_wolf]

Sorry, but I don't buy that explanation one bit.

*yawn*:rolleyes:

[Dicky Ticker]

32k on original chain and sprocket still don't need replacing and all I do is give a little squirt of Worth every time I use the bike while the chain is still warm---NO RATTLE -NO WEAR -NO LIFT

[kwak zzr]

32k on original chain and sprocket still don't need replacing and all I do is give a little squirt of Worth

so altho it sounds dry somethings working, thanks.

[the_lone_wolf]

so altho it sounds dry somethings working, thanks.

of course it works dude, if it didn't you'd have thousands of bikers on the internet complaining about their chains failing after a few miles, as if they weren't lubed:D

the only reason i use an automatic luber on the SV is because i can do longer distance weekends (800miles+ for NW4) and don't fancy lubing the chain several times when i go away, the KTM has no cush drive, gets ridden hard and i use nothing but parrafin or chain cleaner to clean, then dry lube to protect, awesome stuff:cool:

[Dicky Ticker]

To be honest I have heard noisy chains that run in an oil bath but most of the time it is due to lack of maintenance. My personal opinion of self lubricating is people fit it under the misapprehension that it is the be-all and end-all but a chain still needs maintenance.

[fizzwheel]

the only reason i use an automatic luber on the SV is because i can do longer distance weekends (800miles+ for NW4) and don't fancy lubing the chain several times when i go away

Thats why I have one on the GSXR, dont need to worry to much on a long trip.