The MTB thread

[maviczap]

Cheers guys, they're the folding ones so no probs with wire beads. I've watched a few videos on how to put them on properly and I'm going to get some astans yellow tape as the superstar stuff makes it difficult to get the bead in the centre well......I think!

I'm a bit hesitant about using fairy to get them on as I'd be stuffed when out if I got a flat unless I carry a bottle around with me :) if all else fails I'll give the fairy a go though. Will update tomorrow with either smiles or foul language.....

Here's some explanation about tire/rim sizes, sometimes the tyres aren't a good match to the rim size, its all to do with sizing & the ETRTO markings. I don't fully understand it myself, but I had a very similar problem with a folding tyre, it was impossible to fit.

http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html

One useful tool for fitting stubborn tyres is one of these Var jobbies. Plus a bit of Fairy Liquid.

http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b65s72p1263&rs=gb

If not one of these, bit more workshop than the VAR one, but works in the same way

http://www.dotbike.com/p/3845

[ClunkintheUK]

Here's some explanation about tire/rim sizes, sometimes the tyres aren't a good match to the rim size, its all to do with sizing & the ETRTO markings. I don't fully understand it myself, but I had a very similar problem with a folding tyre, it was impossible to fit.

http://sheldonbrown.com/tire-sizing.html



The ETRTO is do to with the spoke length calcs.

The problem is just that different countries (or manufacturers) err on the side of caution with either their tyres or rims. I had some Bontrager rims (US) and tried getting my Continental (EU) tyres on. I broke three levers and a spoon before giving up. They fit fine on the new Mavic (EU) rims and the DT Swiss (EU) rims on the Singlespeed.

Another guy I used to ride with rolled his bontrager tyres off his mavic rims.

[maviczap]

Sorry its not just about calculating spoke length, its all things to do with tyres & rims

http://www.etrto.org/page.asp?id=1685&langue=EN

[ClunkintheUK]

Sorry its not just about calculating spoke length, its all things to do with tyres & rims

http://www.etrto.org/page.asp?id=1685&langue=EN


I do apologise.

We always used the ETRTO acronym specifically for the measurement of where the spoke nipples would sit thus I always thought ETRTO stood for some long winded way of saying this, not the tyre/wheel/rim engineering governing body.

[maviczap]

No problem :D

[andyb]

Cheers Mavic I'll have a look at those. Managed to get the rear tyre on tonight without a tube using a tyre lever only once, looks like its 99% technique 1%brute force as opposed to the opposite way around!

Can I be really cheeky and ask whether anyone has a spare chainring bolt I could buy? It looks like my rear mech hanger is (was) held on with one so I don't need a whole set.

Cheers

[maviczap]

Yep, pretty sure I've go one in my spares box. I'll check

[AndyBrad]

I've got one if mav hasn't

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[Paul the 6th]

Hiya guys,

just wondering if cannock chase is as good as everyone makes out? Tempted to drive down on saturday morning and spend the day there. I've only ever done dalby red route and then last weekend mastiles lane on the dales.

Red route: feels like 85% uphill, 15% downhill, but very rideable trails and well constructed. Would definitely go back.

Mastiles lane: the first 1-2 miles climbed 1000ft and we weren't properly warmed up, bits of it simply weren't rideable with giant boulders and rocks everywhere, then the 'amazing descent' at the end was like trying to ride down a vertical wall.. It made the slog at dalby seem like the best day ever.

But cannock sounds like it's in another league? Any tips/pointers/recommendations? Anything you dislike about it?

[speedplay]

Cannock is ok.
I went round with DMC a couple of weeks ago and had a good ride.
Not sure what state it's in at the moment though but if you do come down, I'll meet you over there.
It's always good to ride different places.

[Paul the 6th]

Cannock is ok.
I went round with DMC a couple of weeks ago and had a good ride.
Not sure what state it's in at the moment though but if you do come down, I'll meet you over there.
It's always good to ride different places.

The reviews sound positive. When you say about what state it's in at the minute, are you relating to the recent bad weather? Or something else?

I'll drop you a pm speedplay, I'm a full on heffer at the minute so will be bimbling (Drew carey style :razz:)

[Drew Carey]

I'm a full on heffer at the minute so will be bimbling (Drew carey style :razz:)

Oi you mean mean boy......but I guess you are correct also! :-(

As said to you on my message on Facebook.....the trails were getting battered when I last went couple of months ago......so I imagine the rain may have trashed it some more. Who knows.

Would join you, but it will probably be chucking it down....however, more critical than that - I have zero pennies till payday courtesy of a mahoooosive gas bill.

[Paul the 6th]

Not to worry mate, I'm gonna hang fire and see what the weather's like and also if my car is driveable as it's got a massive boost leak somewhere after the turbo..

I'll find something to do lol :)

[Drew Carey]

Not to worry mate, I'm gonna hang fire and see what the weather's like and also if my car is driveable as it's got a massive boost leak somewhere after the turbo..

I'll find something to do lol :)

Well when you do go down.....co-incide it with a trip to ours for the weekend and I will go round Cannock with you.....we only live about 35mins from there.

[Paul the 6th]

righto might be worth me actually making some plans on this instead of just barrelling in to make sure I'm busy this weekend.

So you're gonna be loaded again from the 15th?

[andyb]

Hi guys,

Could you post up here if/when you decide to go to Cannock as I'd like to tag along if that's ok? I'm not a hefer but I'm definately in the bimbling category!

[speedplay]

I'll be looking at this Saturday.

[xXBADGERXx]

I am hoping to hammer home on Saturday after my meeting with Darth Vader , then fettle the Enduro with my chosen parts , so I might have a wander around Llandegla on Sunday

[andyb]

I'll be looking at this Saturday.

You're not slow though from what I can gather :D Bikes in bits at the moment but it may be back together by Sat thanks to Mavic.

[speedplay]

You're not slow though from what I can gather :D Bikes in bits at the moment but it may be back together by Sat thanks to Mavic.

I'm not super quick at the moment either :(

[maviczap]

You're not slow though from what I can gather :D

Don't believe the hype ;) :D

[speedplay]

Don't believe the hype ;) :D

Havent crashed at llandegla yet though...

[maviczap]

You can be so cruel sometimes

[speedplay]

:D

[maviczap]

Havent crashed at llandegla yet though...

How does the saying go, pride goes before a .............. fall ;)

[Drew Carey]

righto might be worth me actually making some plans on this instead of just barrelling in to make sure I'm busy this weekend.

So you're gonna be loaded again from the 15th?

Correcto mundo, 15th onwards am good to go......so more than happy to sort something, make a weekend of it. Can also do something more local on the Sunday if enough energy! Lol

Hi guys,

Could you post up here if/when you decide to go to Cannock as I'd like to tag along if that's ok? I'm not a hefer but I'm definately in the bimbling category!

Will deffo post up here......i am deffo a bimbler, especially as lost a load of fitness recently.

[Drew Carey]

How does the saying go, pride goes before a .............. fall ;)

Must admit, you looked like you had truelly had enough after that board walk section. Fair play for carrying on through though.

[maviczap]

Must admit, you looked like you had truelly had enough after that board walk section. Fair play for carrying on through though.

Yes, I was well & truly broken Drew, but I am tough as old boots & I'm not a quitter :D

Or maybe I'm just plain stupid & ought to give this off road lack up at my age :-(

[Drew Carey]

I dont mind this to sound mean, but it did make me chuckle - only because a good mate of mine who is also a roadie decided to have a go having just done local parks etc.....came out once with DMC and I.......which resulted in broken bones! Lol. He hasnt done it since!

[lily]

So you're gonna be loaded again from the 15th?

if the ball and chain sorts out my bike, I'll be cycling at the back with you paulio..... That's if a girl is aloud?

[speedplay]

Roadies are awesome.
Super fit, really keen and really heavy when it comes to hitting the ground...

[Drew Carey]

Roadies are awesome.
Super fit, really keen and really heavy when it comes to hitting the ground...

Hahaha.

[Drew Carey]

if the ball and chain sorts out my bike, I'll be cycling at the back with you paulio..... That's if a girl is aloud?

On this note......if anyone has any second hand but decent ones of the below they fancy selling shout my way......

Rear mech - SLX / Sram X7 upwards
Shifters - Deore / Sram X7 upwards
Crankset - Deore upwards
Forks - RS Recon upwards

Am probably going to buy new through rosebikes / Bike-discount.com etc but always on lookout for decent quality 2nd hand gear.

[maviczap]

Roadies are awesome.
Super fit, really keen and really heavy when it comes to hitting the ground...

Oi fattie, I just didn't land right

[speedplay]

I knew you would bite!!

[maviczap]

Bad day mate, I's very grumpy

[speedplay]

good job I didn't say "pity you didn't land on yer face, wouldn't have done so much visible damage" then....:rolleyes:

[maviczap]

Would have been difficult to make any more beautiful than it is, plus its held together by some titanium bits, that are only coming out when I'm cremated :p

[xXBADGERXx]

What day are you thinking of hitting Cannock ?

[Drew Carey]

Current thought is Saturday pal. At the moment DMC and Rob are going for sure - I have sent DMC a text to blag a lift.

You game?

Paulino.....you also game?

[speedplay]

Saturday and rumour has it that lily is letting drew out of the kitchen to come out too.

Mr speirs is just being gay and refusing to come.

[Drew Carey]

Saturday and rumour has it that lily is letting drew out of the kitchen to come out too.

Mr speirs is just being gay and refusing to come.

Not rumour......fact......she is having a hair appointment courtesy of Birthday gift from her folks......so I am released for the day! ;-)

[speedplay]

I'm still shocked by the fact that she's let you out!
And also saddened that you thought I was Paul :(

[Drew Carey]

My bad.......just an anon text message.....the wording very similar to his and straight to the point.......with "Love you" at the end!!!! Easy to see why it could have been his!!!! lol

[speedplay]

Fair point!
Lol

[Paul the 6th]

Kapow! Whoopa! I was meant to be meeting Porkie Chris, Owenski and Tom the great at rufforth autojumble for bacon sandwiches etc. on saturday but I might have to blow them off if this has turned into a proper trail-day..

What time is everyone getting there? Looks to be 2.5 hours from York.

Weather: http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/weather/uk/wm/cannock_forecast_weather.html

N.b. I am currently in obese-o-tross trim so will be happily plugging along in front of drew :razz: (setting myself up for a fall here).. N.B.2. I'm on a meagre spesh hardrock sport so go easy on me :)

[Drew Carey]

Mate, I will be more than happy to bimble with you at the back.....its what my physique was designed for!!! :D

If it makes it easier, you can come down Friday night if you fancy and kip at mine? Your call though. As for timing......monsieur Speed-of-the-play....please enlighten us!!! :)

[speedplay]

6:30 ok for you guys?
Should be time enough for us to get the the cafe for 4 then....

[Paul the 6th]

6:30 am???

[Paul the 6th]

in the morning?

[Drew Carey]

Eh.......you crazy fool!!!! I aint getting up that early!!!!

[speedplay]

Lol I was just kidding!
Last time I met DMC at the shop there for around 11am.
It's just over an hour for me to get there but may be a little early.
Drew, you have my number if there is any problems but does this sound about right?

[Paul the 6th]

Well now that Daddy drew has kindly offered for me to crash on friday night I won't have a 2.5 hours drive to get there. So 11am should be fine for us I guess?

What time's cake?

[xXBADGERXx]

Not returning from Londinium til Saturday night

[speedplay]

What time's cake?
It's always time for cake!

Not returning from Londinium til Saturday night

Bugger.

[xXBADGERXx]

If it was Sunday then I would have stayed an extra night and then tipped up at Cannock on the way home . So I will just have to settle for Llandegla on Sunday or Monday instead :)

[speedplay]

I may be in llandegla on Monday....

[xXBADGERXx]

Ok ..... so we have the basis of a plan :)

[Drew Carey]

11am sounds like a plan to me.......nice bit of a lie in too!!!

[speedplay]

Hoping for dry ish weather so I can try out the new spd shoes...:(

[Drew Carey]

Currently forcast to be so....but who knows these days. Hope so.....will be nice to not be soaked.

[speedplay]

Waterproof is permanently packed into the camelback these days :(
Just sent a text to Phil but I think he's too worn out to reply!

[Drew Carey]

Mine will be packed too.....looking forward t using new brakes too. Woop. Done the recommended "bedding in" just by going up and down my road but hopefully will stop a little better now!!

[speedplay]

Got my bikes hanging on the decking at the moment.
All cleaned down and new pads on the dale.
May be looking for new brakes if I can't get these to feel how I want them to.
I'm still a massive fan of my old Maguras.

[speedplay]

Reply from Phil "sorry, can't come, I'm gay."

[andyb]

Jesus guys, do you lot do any work???

Mind if I come to tag along at the back if I get the bike back together? Missus is working nights this week so I have a day pass :) Nowt wrong with a Hardrock, its what I'm currently sporting :)

[Drew Carey]

Hi Andy, course you can tag along....its not Mill Green NP......its the Birches Valley Visitor Centre you want......

Check here for the main site....
http://chasetrails.co.uk/

And here is the route map that can be printed....
http://chasetrails.co.uk/images/maps/ftd_cc_map.pdf

Unless anyone has any objections, may aswell do the full 15 miles......but it will not be a race. I will probably end up walking most of the "ups" so i can enjoy the "downs" as I am proper unfit at moment.

[maviczap]

Jesus guys, do you lot do any work???

Mind if I come to tag along at the back if I get the bike back together? Missus is working nights this week so I have a day pass :) Nowt wrong with a Hardrock, its what I'm currently sporting :)

Chainring bolt is in the post, plus a spare, so should get to you tomorrow, Friday at worst unless Pat loses it.

Hope it fits, they're all the same as far as I'm aware

[Drew Carey]

Andy - If it doesnt arrive, i have some spares and can bring it Saturday if needed - you got much else to sort?

[andyb]

Cheers guys. Only got a remote lockout to mount on the bars now, have replaced forks and wheel set so I'm hoping it's all ok :) The chainring bolt is to mount a rear mech hanger to the frame, hopefully it'll fit!

What else do I need to bring apart from food,water,spare tube,pump? Don't have much in the way of tools etc as I'm trying to build it all up!

[speedplay]

I carry most tools and a pump and know DMC does too.
Don't worry if you haven't got all the tools yet, I'm sure we can bail you out between those of us going.
There's a cafe there too so don't load yourself up with too much food, just munchies etc for on the way round.
Probably worth sticking a waterproof top in your kit though.
I'll be parked up somewhere in the first car park with the minging mondeo and the blinging cannondale that I've posted pics of on here.

[andyb]

I carry most tools and a pump and know DMC does too.
Don't worry if you haven't got all the tools yet, I'm sure we can bail you out between those of us going.
There's a cafe there too so don't load yourself up with too much food, just munchies etc for on the way round.
Probably worth sticking a waterproof top in your kit though.
I'll be parked up somewhere in the first car park with the minging mondeo and the blinging cannondale that I've posted pics of on here.

Thanks, I'll PM a few people my mobile number so you've got it. I'll be in a black Passat aka The Hearse and try to get there a bit earlier :D

[Drew Carey]

Rob......by first car park, you mean at the main visitor centre? Just to make sure as there are two visitor centres.

Woop.....looking forward to it now.

[speedplay]

Drew, I'll be at the main visitor centre reserving tea and cakes...:)

[1210tech]

Reply from Phil "sorry, can't come, I'm gay."

By Phil do you mean specialone?

I'm back in brum at the weekend but I've got to bring a car full of stuff back with me so if I can fit the bike in I might see you all saturday morning, I'll also work on the grumpy one unless he is actual busy or just jibbing out ;)

[speedplay]

By Phil do you mean specialone?



yup, to be honest, he didnt admit to being gay but said hes got too much on...:rolleyes:

Same thing really ;)

[Drew Carey]

Weather is looking fairly good, cool but dry.....so happy days. Looking forward to it.

[Paul the 6th]

looking forward to this guys :) is there anywhere to warm up properly before heading off up the trails? I usually spend the first 10-15 minutes thinking "fack me I can't do this" but then once I'm fully warmed up I can go for hours. After mastiles lane I decided I'm gonna do a 10-15 minute blast before the trails just to get all fired up

[speedplay]

Paul, just the man...

Don't suppose you have any carbon fibre effect vinyl kicking about do you...?

[Paul the 6th]

ooooshh.. I think I *might* have a tiny bit in the garage - how much do you need?

The stuff I bought in before was ridiculous like £39/metre (on rolls which were 1570mm wide) but more suppliers and brands of CF vinyl have popped up so might be able to find some a wee bit cheaper.

[speedplay]

Only want a few small strips, maybe inch wide and three inch long.
I want something to use for rub patches on the bike.

Thought you may have some kicking about I could buy off you.

[Drew Carey]

looking forward to this guys :) is there anywhere to warm up properly before heading off up the trails? I usually spend the first 10-15 minutes thinking "fack me I can't do this" but then once I'm fully warmed up I can go for hours. After mastiles lane I decided I'm gonna do a 10-15 minute blast before the trails just to get all fired up

Mate, the first couple of miles are pretty flat and is a very thin technical section with some rock gardens, some fun drops etc and is a good warm up......actually a good start. Unlike Llandegla that starts with 3 or so miles of uphill. Lol.

[andyb]

Mate, the first couple of miles are pretty flat and is a very thin technical section with some rock gardens, some fun drops etc and is a good warm up......actually a good start. Unlike Llandegla that starts with 3 or so miles of uphill. Lol.

Sounds like I'll definately be bring up the rear on this one! Warm-ups, technical sections, drops....... Ha ha

[Paul the 6th]

Only want a few small strips, maybe inch wide and three inch long.
I want something to use for rub patches on the bike.

Thought you may have some kicking about I could buy off you.

Ah cool I'll see if I've still got the 6" strip (about about 3ft) lying around in the garage, if it's there you can have it for nowt mate :chef:

[speedplay]

Love you :)

[Drew Carey]

Sounds like I'll definately be bring up the rear on this one! Warm-ups, technical sections, drops....... Ha ha

Seriously pal, really dont worry bout it.......the drops all have areas so you can go round.....you can go as fast or as slow as you want. As long as you have fun thats all that matters. There is no competativeness with us bunch......just the laughs from the occasional crash or close calls.

Binky from on the forum went round the whole place on a no suspension 1980's hybrid bike.....he trashed it.....but still enjoyed it and was ahead of me most of the day.

[Drew Carey]

Paulino.....looking forward to seeing you tomorrow......beers are in the fridge ready!

[andyb]

Seriously pal, really dont worry bout it.......the drops all have areas so you can go round.....you can go as fast or as slow as you want. As long as you have fun thats all that matters. There is no competativeness with us bunch......just the laughs from the occasional crash or close calls.

Binky from on the forum went round the whole place on a no suspension 1980's hybrid bike.....he trashed it.....but still enjoyed it and was ahead of me most of the day.

1980's hybrid, now that sounds like fun! No bolt from Mavic yet, bloody RM, so will attempt a bodge tomorrow night if there's still nothing. Oh and I'd better take it for a quick spin round the block to make sure everything doesn't fall apart :D

[1210tech]

Where are you all meeting up? Is it at the visitor centre with the cafe and swinnerton cycles bike shop? At 10am yeah?

[speedplay]

11am.
Think it's called birches valley but it is the one with swinnertons.
Everyone ok for kit as I have spare pretty much everything.

[lily]

11am.
Think it's called birches valley but it is the one with swinnertons.
Everyone ok for kit as I have spare pretty much everything.

I'd love to see Drew try and fit into your spare kit.....

Suppose it does stretch! ;)

[speedplay]

Not that much...!
But he does secretly want to see me in lycra...

[1210tech]

What cars will you be in? not met any of you before so do don't know who to look for! :)

[1210tech]

I'll be in a red combo postman pat type van

[speedplay]

I've got a silver mondeo will be covered in crud with the shiny dale next to it.
Think Paul's got another silver mondeo.
DMC is in a dark...mondeo.
Lol

[1210tech]

Cool, c u all at 11

[speedplay]

Looking forward to this now:)
Just got off the phone to someone else who may be coming along too...
Anyone remember Binky?! :)

[Drew Carey]

I'd love to see Drew try and fit into your spare kit.....

Suppose it does stretch! ;)

Oi!!!!

Not that much...!
But he does secretly want to see me in lycra...

Double Oi!!!!!!

Cool, c u all at 11

Good to finally meet as spoken enough etc on PS3 etc. lol

Looking forward to this now:)
Just got off the phone to someone else who may be coming along too...
Anyone remember Binky?! :)

Is he on the beaten up Hybrid or something else?

[speedplay]

He's borrowing one of mine.
He said he killed his old bike last time!

You guys secretly meet up on ps3?
I feel left out.

[1210tech]

Good to finally meet as spoken enough on PS3 etc. lol

Yeah and you, let's hope it stays dry for a few hours :)

Haven't been on cod for ages, got loads of map packs to d/l through elite