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Mates on his Race Replica 28bhp RS125 atm, but fed up of lack of power + the stroker have such a narrow powerband, and having a lack of torque..
Hes After a large 4 stroke bike, has his eyes set on a 675, but anyone know how it would run restricted to 33bhp?
Hes already passed his Das and that, only 17, same as me..
Thanks a Bunch :)
David.
Tim in Belgium
13-02-09, 10:10 PM
Waste of time I'd imagine, better off with an SV or something else (small and only partially restricted, Ninja 250, 400 single etc...) , although this is just hypothetical thinking in my head.
Thats what i thought, too much power and wrong type of engine for a start..
Just not sure, he seems set on it, just trying to find out as much as i can for him..
YC or DD you guys here?
Know you guys know alot about everything.. :)
His insurance will be insane for a 675 at 17, he'll no doubt be the coolest kid on the block but at the end of the day, what's the point?
3rd party
1st - SV £340
2nd - Daytona £580
3rd - R6 £1260
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 10:21 PM
nothing more embarrassing than riding a 160mph missile / scalpel hybrid and having your **** handed to you by a Golf GTI cause you've only got 33 horses...
i can't imagine what a 675 would feel like restricted, it's already putting out more than that at 5000rpm so it'd be heartbreaking, like the kid who turns up down the local meet on a repsol rep fireblade + matching leathers, yet whenever he leaves the car park and "guns it" down the road he accelerates like a swift saloon car, all fart and no ****:mrgreen:
ScottishRawker
13-02-09, 10:22 PM
i wouldn't go 3rd party on a 675, i'd want more than that!
at least tpft.
also u said at the top saying he has done DAS at 17, you mean A2?
Adam
Dont think i can sway his mind to a SV , unless i can prove to him that a 675 will run lyk sh!t restricted..
Hes 18 in June, so still 1 year+ of his restricion left..
Aye hes on his restricted license same as me, DAS, A2, whatever you pass when you're 17 :)
I get confused :(
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 10:28 PM
Hes a Mini Power Ranger.. :)
Dont think i can sway his mind to a SV , unless i can prove to him that a 675 will run lyk sh!t restricted..
Hes 18 in June, so still 1 year+ of his restricion left..
tell him people will laugh behind his back at him (like they do to repsol boy down here who goes out with a bunch of low cc dirt bikes and scooters)
that'll mean far more to someone like the person you're describing than how well the bike will run...
Hes a Mini Power Ranger.. :)
Dont think i can sway his mind to a SV , unless i can prove to him that a 675 will run lyk sh!t restricted..
Hes 18 in June, so still 1 year+ of his restricion left..
do you mean he is a pillock
Is more worried about the comsmetics, than the performance i think..
Not 100% though, just trying to do him a favour by finding out how itl run restricted, if it will run at all..
ScottishRawker
13-02-09, 10:33 PM
if he is more concerned about cosmetics, he will want fully comp, so do a quote for that!
John 675
13-02-09, 10:34 PM
i had a go on a restricted 675.. i had more fun on my 125.. it pulls to about 5000 then stops.. thats it.. it just stops.. no more power.. made me want to cry top speed 108ish after what seemed an age.
restricting this bike is pointless.. even for the "look at me girls" points he might get..
not to mention the 5+ K it will cost him just for the bike.. i dont know your mate but at 17 i was lucky tohave £500 at any point..
Just my 2P though
Hel be getting 3rd party.
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 10:35 PM
Not 100% though, just trying to do him a favour by finding out how itl run restricted, if it will run at all..
it'll run, triumph supply the restrictor kit, it's basically a throttle stop that prevents you opening the throttle past about 25%
pointless buying a bike like that and restricting it IMO, there's plenty of lighter bikes out there that actually work better with lower power outputs, buying a 675 to restrict it is like buying a ferrari to potter to the shops and back through town, purely for vanity purposes and nothing to do with utilising the machine...
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 10:37 PM
restricting this bike is pointless.. even for the "look at me girls" points he might get..
the admiring glances will turn to laughs though when get gets whooped on the dual carriageway by barry in his saxo vts:mrgreen:
Haha cheers, passed on them comments wolfy and lylej.
see what hes replys..
Money's not really the problem mate.
John 675
13-02-09, 10:40 PM
the admiring glances will turn to laughs though when get gets whooped on the dual carriageway by barry in his saxo vts:mrgreen:
aye lol!! all the car ferrets in the back laughing as the greasy spotty driver thinks his car is amazing!! then they both get dusted by an SV lol..
restricting this bike is possibly a sin.. let me check my bible :mrgreen:
John 675
13-02-09, 10:43 PM
Money's not really the problem mate, dads engineer for BT, mums a dentist..
if they are educated people they will understand that third party only is just stupid on any bike.. lol,
the D675 needs FC.. no questions
so if they can afford the bike im sure a FC is possible too?
i'd be embaressed for the bike though if thats what he want's and he's gonna keep it who's to say otherwise i'd imagine it'd run like **** though possibly better than a four though just as a guess.
Tim in Belgium
13-02-09, 10:46 PM
Just tell him to stop being a tw @t, to get a life, and if he wants to go fast get a car, easy... I doubt many girls know the difference between a Daytona 675 and a CBR125, the bike is never going to impress the girls.
Not sure about FC, hes deifnetly not buying a new bike though..
Think hel go for 3rd party.Still think he should get a SV lyk..
John 675
13-02-09, 10:50 PM
Not sure about FC, hes deifnetly not buying a new bike though..
..
lol, thats why i said 5k+ lol, new ones are at about 6.5 - 7K ;)
even a cheap one will be 4k id imagine?
the reason hed need FC is because if he bins it his total spent would almost double because parts are feckin expensive! not like on the Sv :)
At the end of the day it's up to him. When I was 17 I would have probably thought the same way. Unfortunately I didn't have rich parents so had to make do with a 1 litre Peugeot 205
Aye convinced him other wise..
He just sent me a vid of the 675, top speed = 151?
fizzwheel
13-02-09, 10:56 PM
Is he insane.... Something like that I'd be wanting comprehensive insurance, Hows he going to pay for the bike ? If he's buying on finance they may well insist of comprehensive insurance even if they dont and he prangs the bike, he'll still be paying the finance on a bike he cant ride or thats been written off which is soul destroying...
Not got any experience but running out of power at 5000rpm, f*k that...
He's fricken insane if you ask me.
A few of the lads on the Gixer forum I'm on run older GSXR-600's with restrictors in and they dont seem to complain about that, I still woudlnt want to ride a restricted IL4 either though. But something like an SRAD or maybe a K1 the insurance wont be so much on and he'll get the sporty "look at me" looks he's after.
If he's fedup with the lack of power at 28bhp on his RS125, he's only getting 5bhp more by running a 675 or the like, so not much gain there is there. Peaky power and no torque is half he fun of a two stroke...
thought it went faster than that oh well enough i spose.
fizzwheel
13-02-09, 10:56 PM
He just sent me a vid of the 675, top speed = 151?
But it wont do that with 33bhp ;)
Meh, let him do it and then point and laugh.
John 675
13-02-09, 10:57 PM
Just tell him to stop being a tw @t, to get a life, and if he wants to go fast get a car, easy... I doubt many girls know the difference between a Daytona 675 and a CBR125, the bike is never going to impress the girls.
+1
some* girls just tend to move in this cycle
"ooo a bike" > > > "ooo a red bike, i like red" > > > "yeah il go on the back with you" > > > "ooo wasnt that exciting..." > > > "oh look rain" > > > "i dont like it"... back to cars > > > and repeat
*not all, some.. that means not the majority and its a personal observation ;) :) :lol:
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 10:57 PM
Aye convinced him other wise..
He just sent me a vid of the 675, top speed = 151?
more like 159mph if you have enough room
you'll be lucky to get into triple figures with a restrictor kit on it;)
John 675
13-02-09, 10:59 PM
aye convinced him other wise..
He just sent me a vid of the 675, top speed = 151?
168 ;)
Aye i have done considerable miles on his 125, i think its producing 28 at the engine, more lyk 25 at the wheel i think.
Was just asking if that was the real top speed?
bikes bloody nice though, wouldn't mind one after my restriction's up..
Gona drag him along to the dealers to look at SV's.. :P
Tim in Belgium
13-02-09, 10:59 PM
more like 159mph if you have enough room
you'll be lucky to get into triple figures with a restrictor kit on it;)
You'll be lucky to get passed the style police with 33bhp FAIL!
dizzyblonde
13-02-09, 11:00 PM
teenage male hormones:rolleyes:
do my balls look big on this...
Give your mate a slap ...he might wake up, and realise it was all a dream:rolleyes:
fizzwheel
13-02-09, 11:01 PM
Gona drag him along to the dealers to look at SV's.. :P
He wont listen, I never did at that age, then when things went wrong later on I wished I had...
( jesus I sound like my dad now )
At the end of the day I wouldnt do it, but its up to him at the end of the day.
dizzyblonde
13-02-09, 11:02 PM
+1
some* girls just tend to move in this cycle
"ooo a bike" > > > "ooo a red bike, i like red" > > > "yeah il go on the back with you" > > > "ooo wasnt that exciting..." > > > "oh look rain" > > > "i dont like it"... back to cars > > > and repeat
*not all, some.. that means not the majority and its a personal observation ;) :) :lol:
its a good job you put the 'get out of a kick in the nuts' clause there sonny;)
besides I hate red bikes!
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 11:03 PM
teenage male hormones:rolleyes:
do my balls look big on this...
i resent that remark, i'm nearly 25 and the 675 makes my balls feel big:smt019:mrgreen:
168 ;)
pah, be gone with your indicated fairy tales, i meant a genuine 159;)
...........could be worse there was some idiot on here who restricted a SV1000...............:rolleyes:
dizzyblonde
13-02-09, 11:04 PM
i resent that remark, i'm nearly 25 and the 675 makes my balls feel big:smt019:mrgreen:
May I suggest changing your pants then, they are obviously way too tight;)
John 675
13-02-09, 11:05 PM
i resent that remark, i'm nearly 25 and the 675 makes my balls feel big:smt019:mrgreen:
pah, be gone with your indicated fairy tales, i meant a genuine 159;)
nope mines not standard lol ;)
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 11:08 PM
May I suggest changing your pants then, they are obviously way too tight;)i tried, can't find any spacious enough:rolleyes:;):smt019
lyelj - what does it take to get an extra 10mph out of the 675? in case you hadn't noticed my sig my new one is going to be ready on March 1st;)
yorkie_chris
13-02-09, 11:09 PM
Take the mirrors off is usually a good start.
Tim in Belgium
13-02-09, 11:09 PM
http://inlinethumb28.webshots.com/42523/2625201130084392296S600x600Q85.jpg (http://rides.webshots.com/photo/2625201130084392296uziOcE)
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 11:10 PM
Take the mirrors off is usually a good start.
somehow i don't think that'll account for a 10mph jump in max speed:mrgreen::mrgreen::mrgreen:
John 675
13-02-09, 11:11 PM
i tried, can't find any spacious enough:rolleyes:;):smt019
lyelj - what does it take to get an extra 10mph out of the 675? in case you hadn't noticed my sig my new one is going to be ready on March 1st;)
i have the Tor fully mapped with the arrow tune, dyno'd and no cats in the pipes, loads more fun lol, ;)
yorkie_chris
13-02-09, 11:12 PM
It has been known to add a couple of mph, not 10 though no.
Then again there was a reveiw and I'm sure they reckoned it was 160+ stock. Can't remember what review it was though. And that was the 1st gen 675.
Good thing about the 675 though ... crash it, you've just got yourself a street trip with all the better kit! :-D
shonadoll
13-02-09, 11:13 PM
My friend has a Hornet restricted, and says it's fine. oops!
It's his choice at the end of the day- I liked being restricted because it felt like getting a new bike at the end of it. I'd be also getting FC insurance though.
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 11:17 PM
Good thing about the 675 though ... crash it, you've just got yourself a street trip with all the better kit! :-D
when i took the demo out on wednesday i saw 125 a few times on the speedo (private and/or long straight empty road of course;)) - god knows what it would be like with no fairing to hide behind:mrgreen:
yorkie_chris
13-02-09, 11:18 PM
Breezy, nowt to write home about though yah southern poof :-P
150+ on a naked bike is where it starts to get a little difficult.
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 11:20 PM
Breezy, nowt to write home about though yah southern poof :-P
well apparently all the wind tunnels up north were booked for pigeon testing, otherwise they'd have designed a screen that doesn't redirect the air directly into the riders neck;)
missyburd
13-02-09, 11:22 PM
Sounds like a waste of a good bike to me. At that age I'd be wanting way more experience before even contemplating a nice and expensive bike, one little off and suddenly you're bankrupt, what's the point?
dizzyblonde
13-02-09, 11:24 PM
They'd be bankrupt just paying for the insurance!
missyburd
13-02-09, 11:24 PM
They'd be bankrupt just paying for the insurance!
well yeah that too :)
for some reason the trumpet's are a lot cheaper insurance than the big jap bike's strange but your right it's gonna hit his folk's in the wallet big time thats if they'll insure it at all.
Away in tomorrow morning to look at bikes anyways :)
See if i can get the boy a SV :)
He likes his supersports though, minds set on a R6 once his restrictions up..
Me? I like my SV :)
Its not happening anymore, he isnt buying a 675 at this moment...
Thanks guys for the advice and that :)
dizzyblonde
13-02-09, 11:28 PM
for some reason the trumpet's are a lot cheaper insurance than the big jap bike's.
Not if your
a: old
b: a burd
ooo I'm both...double discount:-D
why would he get a daytona then sell it for a inferior machine afterwards that makes very little sense.
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 11:29 PM
Its not happening anymore, he isnt buying a 675 at this moment...
Thanks guys for the advice and that :)
no worries, if you ever need some more jabbing sarcasm just give us a shout:mrgreen:
yorkie_chris
13-02-09, 11:29 PM
well apparently all the wind tunnels up north were booked for pigeon testing, otherwise they'd have designed a screen that doesn't redirect the air directly into the riders neck;)
Figures :confused:
With major neck muscles you can look good and have a headbutt that will stop a grown rhino.
But if you have a slower racing pidgeon than your mates you will look a right daft twonk.
It's a no brainer! :-P
ThEGr33k
13-02-09, 11:29 PM
:laughat:
Not if your
a: old
b: a burd
ooo I'm both...double discount:-D
well that's very sexist of the insurance companies shouldnt make a difference :)
dizzyblonde
13-02-09, 11:30 PM
He likes his supersports though, minds set on a R6 once his restrictions up..
which with the presumed mentality that I think he has, he will crash straight into the nearest wall:(
Tim in Belgium
13-02-09, 11:32 PM
only 'cos he's lookin at the laydeez
dizzyblonde
13-02-09, 11:33 PM
well that's very sexist of the insurance companies shouldnt make a difference :)
I'm sure i've mentioned it to you before. Example 5 yrs ago
My bloke riding for 7 yrs. SV insurance over 500 quid
I comes along (2 yrs older than him) just after passing test for same bike, £430 . :mrgreen: same insurance company!
missyburd
13-02-09, 11:34 PM
which with the presumed mentality that I think he has, he will crash straight into the nearest wall:(
I can certainly detect a high degree of tallywhacker-brandishing.
I'm sure i've mentioned it to you before. Example 5 yrs ago
My bloke riding for 7 yrs. SV insurance over 500 quid
I comes along (2 yrs older than him) just after passing test for same bike, £430 . :mrgreen: same insurance company!
Does it count if i don stilettos and am called Florence at the weekends?[-o<
I'm sure i've mentioned it to you before. Example 5 yrs ago
My bloke riding for 7 yrs. SV insurance over 500 quid
I comes along (2 yrs older than him) just after passing test for same bike, £430 . :mrgreen: same insurance company!
spose that'll be the power ranger's racking the price up ;) lol
the_lone_wolf
13-02-09, 11:36 PM
But if you have a slower racing pidgeon than your mates you will look a right daft twonk.
true, turn up at the school gates with a restricted pigeon and your mates will laugh at you:D
dizzyblonde
13-02-09, 11:37 PM
Does it count if i don stilettos and am called Florence at the weekends?[-o<
only if you wear fishnets and a red curly wig.
Course i want pics..
Girth with only stilettos, fish nets and a curly red wig on..
And i can call you Florence ;)
John 675
13-02-09, 11:43 PM
Course i want pics of Birth
you sicko lol ;)
Shhh...
No one else noticed haha
SoulKiss
14-02-09, 06:01 AM
i resent that remark, i'm nearly 25 and the 675 makes my balls feel big:smt019:mrgreen:
pah, be gone with your indicated fairy tales, i meant a genuine 159;)
Funny you mention it - we were discussing this last night @ soho and came to the conclusion that the ball-size to brain-size thing was an inverse ratio...............
amnesia
14-02-09, 08:53 AM
I have asked my brother who works for Triumph.
His response was "It will take it very well upto about 1/10th throttle where it will stop. The restriction is a throttle stop, rather than an ECU swap. This means it will run fine, but only upto a limited RPM. It will top out at about 100mph or so"
He also said that if he gets one to get it restricted at a Triumph dealer. It will cost him about £28 + VAT for the Triumph kit, or £200 ish for an FI kit fitted elsewhere.
£28 + vat
FI about £200
Thank god the creatin isnt getting one!,
I went from a full powered sv650s to my 675 and it still scares me at times! (although the grin factor out weighs this) let alone going from a rs125 to a "restricted" 675, and tp ins is laughable-did he want it stolen??
How can he have passed the DAS at 17?
Can he lend me some money! Nah let him buy it find out it's up good and I will swap my sv for it lol off to read the other posts now
...........could be worse there was some idiot on here who restricted a SV1000...............:rolleyes:
nice one, but at least he soon saw sense & stuck 2 fingers up :lol:
Alpinestarhero
15-02-09, 05:32 PM
My dad knows a lad who had a GSXR600 and restricted it...he hated it, and after 5 months sold it and brought an SV. Apparently, although it handled a bit worse, it was a much better bike because the engine was better.
A D675 is all about maximum power, given its racing intentions. Restricting it is like cutting the balls off a thouroughbred racehorse.
the_lone_wolf
15-02-09, 05:38 PM
A D675 is all about maximum power
not quite, it's got power but it's also got torque everywhere, much less peaky than an IL4
still be terrible restricted though...
Alpinestarhero
15-02-09, 05:40 PM
not quite, it's got power but it's also got torque everywhere, much less peaky than an IL4
still be terrible restricted though...
Well, you get what I mean...an SV is a bit more about user-friendlyness for newbie riders, so its engine is more usable when restricted.
the point is
an SV makes a brilliant restricted bike :smt040
yorkie_chris
15-02-09, 05:41 PM
I dunno, there is the possibility that the 675 will take it well. Restrictor is not a rev limiter. Untill you've tried one I wouldn't say it's a crap bike to restrict.
It's still a sin though, the 675 motor is just awesome.
jamesterror
15-02-09, 05:43 PM
How can he have passed the DAS at 17?
He can't and will still have his restriction for 2 years, I got the impression that you thought it lasted till you were 19.
I also read money isn't an issue, get fully comp then. I'd cry if I dropped it or it got nicked and I only had TP.
amnesia
15-02-09, 05:57 PM
Restrictor is not a rev limiter.
Triumph say it is. :confused:
yorkie_chris
15-02-09, 05:59 PM
I seriously doubt that. 4000rpm is not enough to make the bike useable.
Edit: a post earlier in this thread suggests that it is a throttle stop type restrictor, which is entirely a different priciple and effect to a rev limiter.
I got the impression that you thought it lasted till you were 19.
.
When you reach 19 you can sit the DAS test, or you can carry on waiting for the 2 yrs to expire
yorkie_chris
15-02-09, 10:02 PM
What?
No, if you pass your test at 17, when you have held A2 license for 2 years it becomes A license. So you'd be 19. No other test required it is automatically valid.
If you pass your test at 20, when you get to 21 you can then take the DAS test, or carry on waiting for the 2 years to be up.
I dunno, there is the possibility that the 675 will take it well. Restrictor is not a rev limiter. Untill you've tried one I wouldn't say it's a crap bike to restrict.
It's still a sin though, the 675 motor is just awesome.
I can't imagine my 675 restricted. The whole fun of it is getting it to bounce off the limiter:D I practice it from time to time...
it'll be like any other bike restricted **** that's the point of the restrictor kit to make them **** and not enjoyable to ride what i think anyway.
jamesterror
15-02-09, 10:54 PM
When you reach 19 you can sit the DAS test, or you can carry on waiting for the 2 yrs to expire
Oh I thought it was 21, always good to know, still have 2 years to wait so restricted access is the way.
yorkie_chris
15-02-09, 10:56 PM
It is 21 to do the DAS course
John 675
16-02-09, 08:38 AM
It is 21 to do the DAS course
yep this is true folks.. you cant legaly ride a full powered bike untill your 21. so if you get your restricted licence at an earlier stage your still not riding a full power untill your 21 :)
plowsie
16-02-09, 09:00 AM
yep this is true folks.. You cant legaly ride a full powered bike untill your 21. So if you get your restricted licence at an earlier stage your still not riding a full power untill your 21 :)
wrong!
John 675
16-02-09, 09:11 AM
wrong!
so you can get 19 year old flying around on full powered Gsxr 1000's because they did there restricted at 17?
never seen that :-D
come on then dudio how does it work? ;)
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