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the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 09:58 PM
im sorry if i offend anyone in the posts i have written, this is my opinion and we are all entitled to an opinion.
i'm not offended at all, i've come across people in this world who hold far bigger irrational reactions to folks of other races
but you still didn't answer my question:
"shouldn't the returning forces be proud that their actions are allowing people to freely express their opinions?"
i am in the forces because i want to serve my country
And 'your' country consists of all faiths and races, including Muslims.
Anyway, I'm done posting in this thread, it's not appropriate.
Biker Biggles
13-03-09, 10:02 PM
Also, both my brothers have been serving members of the forces, and many friends i have around me. Some of the forces are not allowed to wear there uniform in the street because this may offend muslim faithed people. I think its discracefull, there is a pub by the royal marines training centre who will not let the forces memebers through the doors because it may offend muslims who visit this pub. This is the same with many places around HM bases. the forces should be allowed to wear there uniforms any were without fear of being verbally abused because of the job they do.
im sorry if i offend anyone in the posts i have written, this is my opinion and we are all entitled to an opinion.
What would muslims be doing visiting the pub?:mad:I thought they were not allowed that sort of thing.Or do they get offended because our soldiers are getting ratarsed when they cant?Jealousy?:rolleyes:
I have deleted this post because it may cause offence to someone
chompy
What would muslims be doing visiting the pub?
Non alcoholic beverages/food?
Not everyone goes to a public house for beer.
I do.
I'm special.
What would muslims be doing visiting the pub?:mad:I thought they were not allowed that sort of thing.Or do they get offended because our soldiers are getting ratarsed when they cant?Jealousy?:rolleyes:
hahah, i dont know, its what i have been told by my brother, but that is the true reason, they got into the pub got aked if they were force when they said yes they got escorted out, and then when they went to return 2 weeks of so later, they were not allowed passed the door, when my mother wrote a letter of complaint she was told that this might offend ethnic groups that are in the area.
Biker Biggles
13-03-09, 10:06 PM
Non alcoholic beverages/food?
Not everyone goes to a public house for beer.
I do.
I'm special.
Would that be special brew?;)
And 'your' country consists of all faiths and races, including Muslims.
yes it does, and im friendly with muslims i have no problems with them and they are very nice people but i am talking about this party who were protesting. If the forces fight for freedom of speech, they are using this ( something they wouldnt be alowed in a muslim country ) against the very people who are fighting for this.
the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 10:10 PM
" proud, be proud to allow someone to have freedom of speach and use this against the forces which are allowing them to have freedom of speech. I dont think so, its appaling how they think they could us this against us. We fight to give them freedom of speech and to use this they could at least have the courtesy of not using it against the people who have gained them this right in the first place. This is not a right that they would be allowed in a muslim country."
so he fights for the right to freedom of speech, and likes the idea, but not if that right is used to criticise him or his actions?
is that not a fairly eloquent definition of a hypocrite?
yes it does, and im friendly with muslims i have no problems with them and they are very nice people but i am talking about this party who were protesting. If the forces fight for freedom of speech, they are using this ( something they wouldnt be alowed in a muslim country ) against the very people who are fighting for this.
Indeed, so we should remove this right & thus withdraw from oversea fighting, since we do not promote freedom of speech.
Thus we are no longer at war & hence no longer need protests.
Boom, solved!
This freedom of speech etc rubbish is simply because no WMD's or even a hint of anything exciting was found, it is simply a cop out....
Can't people just rise above what is just name calling? Surely this is the sign of a stronger person.
Ch00
so he fights for the right to freedom of speech, and likes the idea, but not if that right is used to criticise him or his actions?
is that not a fairly eloquent definition of a hypocrite?
if you have have had mortars land so close to you that the blast tears a hole in the tent you are sleeping in, all for freedom of speach, then would you not think it was bad that some one was using that against you.
Indeed, so we should remove this right & thus withdraw from oversea fighting, since we do not promote freedom of speech.
Thus we are no longer at war & hence no longer need protests.
Boom, solved!
This freedom of speech etc rubbish is simply because no WMD's or even a hint of anything exciting was found, it is simply a cop out....
the uk are part of NATO and the reason we went in is because we were called upon by a noto country. and yes freedom of speech is rubbish. But then again it should not be used agains someone who is serving the country they are living in.
the uk are part of NATO and the reason we went in is because we were called upon by a noto country. and yes freedom of speech is rubbish. But then again it should not be used agains someone who is serving the country they are living in.
Nato never gave the go ahead for Iraq.
Infact the weapons inspectors were asking for more time.
The US just decided to go in, for whatever reason.... sure wasn't 9/11 as Saddam never had anything remotely to do with it.
I have nothing against any faith and this is my opinion on which the partys involved did.
the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 10:22 PM
if you have have had mortars land so close to you that the blast tears a hole in the tent you are sleeping in, all for freedom of speach, then would you not think it was bad that some one was using that against you.
trying to make the subject emotional has no bearing on whether you believe in free speech or not
you don't get to have it one way then another, freedom of speech grants people the right to say things that sometimes you won't agree with, as soon as you start describing just how freely a particular opinion may be expressed you start to enter the realms of fascism
trying to make the subject emotional has no bearing on whether you believe in free speech or not
you don't get to have it one way then another, freedom of speech grants people the right to say things that sometimes you won't agree with, as soon as you start describing just how freely a particular opinion may be expressed you start to enter the realms of fascism
ok i understand that, really i think this has been hiped up, but it should not have been done. Also i do not agree the reasos we are really in Afghanistan and Iraq.
And sorry for expressing my opinion strongly. I have spoken to canadian forces and when one of there soldiers die in war they are taken back then they are driven along there freeway, there are hundrends maybe een thousands of people who turn out too see there soldiers last journey. i think the uk should be more like this and be proud of the forces.
chompy:D
the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 10:37 PM
ok i understand that, really i think this has been hiped up, but it should not have been done.
why? would it have been OK to protest the war if these people were white christians? or should people not be allowed to protest in the first place?
madness
13-03-09, 10:37 PM
i think the uk should be more like this and be proud of the forces.
chompy:D
From the posts in this thread, I think it has been established that the majority of people are proud of our armed forces.
We shouldn't presume that Canada, or any other country does not have groups that criticise their armed forces.
gruntygiggles
13-03-09, 10:39 PM
i would just like to say that i am not having a personal go at muslims i am having a go about how these people were shouting at our HM forces. i am moaning about the people who did the act on that day. and also we should be willing to learn but also they should be willing to learn about our believes and if they are not willing to do this then they should not be allowed to come and live in this country, if they were born into this country fair enough.
I think that the forces are doing there job they are heroes and are defending and serving there country, the country these people live in.
Chompy, I have said this many times and will say it again here.
If I were to visit the Taj Mahal, I would be expected to take my shoes off to enter and could get myself in trouble if I did not.
Anyone coming to Britain to live, who wants to be British needs to be willing to adapt to the way we do things here.
Example, my niece is 6 and her school would not allow them to write Merry Christmas in the card they made last year, they had to write Happy Holidays in case the parents of any children were offended by the Christian reference. WHAT??? Christian children or those with no religion HAVE to make allowances for all other religions, but cannot celebrate their own. Schools and companies all over the UK have to make exceptions for children/employees with certain religious requirements yet, in a country that is historically Christian, where the culture celebrates all Christian holidays, young children are not allowed to use the reference and just say a simple Merry Christmas???
I absolutely believe that we all should be able to conduct our business and practise our religions as we wish and no one should be allowed to put constraints on another in this respect.
DAS, a company in Bristol banned employees from having screen savers that included images of pigs, or of having any pig toy on their desks as one of the muslim members of staff said that he was offended by it.
They apparently couldn't ban employees from bringing in food containing pork into the building. Ridiculous. My ex worked there at the time and was outraged. You don't hear Vegetarians having companies ban staff from having screensavers of a nice steak or chicken fillet do you?
The ban was overturned after a few weeks but still......there will always be a few in any culture, religion or race that will want to take things a little further than the rest.
What we mustn't do is pigeon hole anyone and remember that it is only ever the minority that have the extreme beliefs and opinions. The rest of us just try to be understanding, tolerant and learn about each other.
davepreston
13-03-09, 10:40 PM
but you still didn't answer my question:
"shouldn't the returning forces be proud that their actions are allowing people to freely express their opinions?"
think of it like finish the most soul distroying shift of your life where really bad things happened, then as your about to walk into your house (sancturary) someone runs up and starts yelling personal abuse at you about something your work( or more to the point your bosses) did. now multiply that expenentialy and thats it. you understand but you could really do without it
From the posts in this thread, I think it has been established that the majority of people are proud of our armed forces.
We shouldn't presume that Canada, or any other country does not have groups that criticise their armed forces.
yeah true true, but i have seen alot of hatred in the uk for the forces, also that when our forces go there they are greated as one of there own forces and they treat them amazingly
think of it like finish the most soul distroying shift of your life where really bad things happened, then as your about to walk into your house (sancturary) someone runs up and starts yelling personal abuse at you about something your work( or more to the point your bosses) did. now multiply that expenentialy and thats it. you understand but you could really do without it
haha i could have put it like that, hmm that was a good way of putting it. wy didnt i think of that * scratches head*
why? would it have been OK to protest the war if these people were white christians? or should people not be allowed to protest in the first place?
yes anyone can protest but they protest to the soldiers, that not going to do anything apart from making the soldiers feel down. the people they need to protest to are the people who are ultimatly responsible for sending our troops in.
chompy:D
the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 10:51 PM
think of it like finish the most soul distroying shift of your life where really bad things happened, then as your about to walk into your house (sancturary) someone runs up and starts yelling personal abuse at you about something your work( or more to the point your bosses) did. now multiply that expenentialy and thats it. you understand but you could really do without itthat's a horrific situation, but a personal attack doesn't bear relation to someone protesting general military action
still doesn't change the fact that complaining about someone exercising their right to free speech, claiming they shouldn't be doing so because "we fought so you can have free speech" requires some enormous irony blinkers...
Chompy, I have said this many times and will say it again here.
If I were to visit the Taj Mahal, I would be expected to take my shoes off to enter and could get myself in trouble if I did not.
Anyone coming to Britain to live, who wants to be British needs to be willing to adapt to the way we do things here.
Example, my niece is 6 and her school would not allow them to write Merry Christmas in the card they made last year, they had to write Happy Holidays in case the parents of any children were offended by the Christian reference. WHAT??? Christian children or those with no religion HAVE to make allowances for all other religions, but cannot celebrate their own. Schools and companies all over the UK have to make exceptions for children/employees with certain religious requirements yet, in a country that is historically Christian, where the culture celebrates all Christian holidays, young children are not allowed to use the reference and just say a simple Merry Christmas???
I absolutely believe that we all should be able to conduct our business and practise our religions as we wish and no one should be allowed to put constraints on another in this respect.
DAS, a company in Bristol banned employees from having screen savers that included images of pigs, or of having any pig toy on their desks as one of the muslim members of staff said that he was offended by it.
They apparently couldn't ban employees from bringing in food containing pork into the building. Ridiculous. My ex worked there at the time and was outraged. You don't hear Vegetarians having companies ban staff from having screensavers of a nice steak or chicken fillet do you?
The ban was overturned after a few weeks but still......there will always be a few in any culture, religion or race that will want to take things a little further than the rest.
What we mustn't do is pigeon hole anyone and remember that it is only ever the minority that have the extreme beliefs and opinions. The rest of us just try to be understanding, tolerant and learn about each other.
been thinking long and hard about how to reply to this thread,and the above just about says it all.
oh and if people dont like it here then go live somewhere else
that's a horrific situation, but a personal attack doesn't bear relation to someone protesting general military action
still doesn't change the fact that complaining about someone exercising their right to free speech, claiming they shouldn't be doing so because "we fought so you can have free speech" requires some enormous irony blinkers...
they were protesting general military action to militar soldiers, which i think is a personal attack on the soldiers. its diffferent if they were doing it to the goverment who sent the forces into the country
the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 10:56 PM
yes anyone can protest but they protest to the soldiers, that not going to do anything apart from making the soldiers feel down. the people they need to protest to are the people who are ultimatly responsible for sending our troops in.they were protesting general military action to militar soldiers...
they're not protesting to the soldiers, they're protesting in public at a march where they know they'll get maximum exposure, which is the whole point of a protest
if they were standing outside the soldiers houses heckling them while they eat their dinner then that would be a personal attack
they're not protesting to the soldiers, they're protesting in public at a march where they know they'll get maximum public attention, which is the whole point of a protest
+1
+1
so why dont they contact the media then go protest somehwere else. thats your opinion and obviously we have very oposit opinions, i am very pro forces and think that they are excellent, they defend our country. in which these people live.
they're not protesting to the soldiers, they're protesting in public at a march where they know they'll get maximum exposure, which is the whole point of a protest
if they were standing outside the soldiers houses heckling them while they eat their dinner then that would be a personal attack
so if it wasnt a attack against the soldiers then why were they holding signs saying "anglian soldiers go to hell" watch the video, it shows it there.
the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 11:04 PM
i am very pro forces and think that they are excellent...you could have fooled us:rolleyes::p
gruntygiggles
13-03-09, 11:04 PM
they're not protesting to the soldiers, they're protesting in public at a march where they know they'll get maximum exposure, which is the whole point of a protest
+2
Can't be bothered to go back through my previous posts, but I said to NickyS before that the protestors know how, when and where to get good publicity without getting themselves arrested. I also said in that post that what you have to do is NOT give these protestors the attention that they crave if it is annoying you as you will just be adding fuel to the fire.
We all have free speech.....but we all also have the right use our ears and eyes as we see fit and so, if you don't like what someone is saying.....DON'T LISTEN. The more column inches those protestors get, the more thay will be fuelled to do it again.
davepreston
13-03-09, 11:05 PM
they're not protesting to the soldiers, they're protesting in public at a march where they know they'll get maximum exposure, which is the whole point of a protest
if they were standing outside the soldiers houses heckling them while they eat their dinner then that would be a personal attack
with signs like baby killers , no thats not a personal attack (seen some of the photo's) and weather its at ur house or on a street its still a personal attack
but as i said before squadies will look ,see it, think its uncalled for and refer to rule 1
if you lot really want something to complain about have a look at a squadies wages and see if you agree with that
psim irish so my spelling is supposed to be rubbish
you could have fooled us:rolleyes::p
haha well i did try, but i dont think it worked:D
northwind
13-03-09, 11:06 PM
so why dont they contact the media then go protest somehwere else. thats your opinion and obviously we have very oposit opinions, i am very pro forces and think that they are excellent, they defend our country. in which these people live.
Because if they'd gone and protested somewhere else, they'd have got less attention. That's the entire point, isn't it? Particularily when they're not legally allowed to protest at parliament.
Personally I think our forces in Iraq have done a good job under terrible circumstances... I was, still am anti-war but you can be anti-war and pro-forces, they're doing the job but others are pulling the strings.
But I don't think they're defending our country in any way, like you claim. Pretty much every authority accepts that our military involvement in Iraq has made us less safe, not more, since Iraq was no threat to us whatsoever, but motivated terrorists are. Iraq was never about defending our country.
so why dont they contact the media then go protest somehwere else. thats your opinion and obviously we have very oposit opinions, i am very pro forces and think that they are excellent, they defend our country. in which these people live.
I think you will find that the reason they protested where they did ,was to gain the most publicity.It worked.
I agree with people right to protest.
But I still think that they should put being "british" before anything.
Only last week I was was working for and indian family ,who have lived all over the world,and they believe in their religeon,but they still integrate with comunity they are living with
with signs like baby killers , no thats not a personal attack (seen some of the photo's) and weather its at ur house or on a street its still a personal attack
but as i said before squadies will look ,see it, think its uncalled for and refer to rule 1
if you lot really want something to complain about have a look at a squadies wages and see if you agree with that
psim irish so my spelling is supposed to be rubbish
well its not too bad, i was on 8K a year as an apprentise and its more than that. For the job im doing its 13k untill fully trained then its 16k.
gruntygiggles
13-03-09, 11:09 PM
so why dont they contact the media then go protest somehwere else. thats your opinion and obviously we have very oposit opinions, i am very pro forces and think that they are excellent, they defend our country. in which these people live.
Because they are just like all other protestors. If Greenpeace is protesting Japanese whaling ships, they don't call the media and stage a protest in a park. They go and do it where they can make maximum impact.
The people protesting those soldiers were not part of some massive extremist organisation, they were just a group of people with extreme views who saw an opportunity to protest and did. I don't like it and I would love to see our servicemen and women held in the regard that they deserve, but we can't stop the protests.
davepreston
13-03-09, 11:09 PM
soldiers dont defend a country or an ideal, all they do is look after the boys around them untill they get home safe
the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 11:10 PM
with signs like baby killers...
the military action by allied forces has resulted in avoidable civilian casualties, including babies and children, would that not meet the definition of "baby killer"?
just because we sugar coat it and wring our hands saying how bad it is doesn't absolve us as a nation of what we do while invading another country
davepreston
13-03-09, 11:11 PM
well its not too bad, i was on 8K a year as an apprentise and its more than that. For the job im doing its 13k untill fully trained then its 16k.
yea but you be so grateful for the extra £5 a day for going to a combat zone:rolleyes:
the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 11:12 PM
Personally I think our forces in Iraq have done a good job under terrible circumstances... I was, still am anti-war but you can be anti-war and pro-forces, they're doing the job but others are pulling the strings.
But I don't think they're defending our country in any way, like you claim. Pretty much every authority accepts that our military involvement in Iraq has made us less safe, not more, since Iraq was no threat to us whatsoever, but motivated terrorists are. Iraq was never about defending our country.
Nail >> Head
Because they are just like all other protestors. If Greenpeace is protesting Japanese whaling ships, they don't call the media and stage a protest in a park. They go and do it where they can make maximum impact.
The people protesting those soldiers were not part of some massive extremist organisation, they were just a group of people with extreme views who saw an opportunity to protest and did. I don't like it and I would love to see our servicemen and women held in the regard that they deserve, but we can't stop the protests.
fairpoint
Chompy, I have said this many times and will say it again here.
If I were to visit the Taj Mahal, I would be expected to take my shoes off to enter and could get myself in trouble if I did not.
Anyone coming to Britain to live, who wants to be British needs to be willing to adapt to the way we do things here.
Example, my niece is 6 and her school would not allow them to write Merry Christmas in the card they made last year, they had to write Happy Holidays in case the parents of any children were offended by the Christian reference. WHAT??? Christian children or those with no religion HAVE to make allowances for all other religions, but cannot celebrate their own. Schools and companies all over the UK have to make exceptions for children/employees with certain religious requirements yet, in a country that is historically Christian, where the culture celebrates all Christian holidays, young children are not allowed to use the reference and just say a simple Merry Christmas???
I absolutely believe that we all should be able to conduct our business and practise our religions as we wish and no one should be allowed to put constraints on another in this respect.
DAS, a company in Bristol banned employees from having screen savers that included images of pigs, or of having any pig toy on their desks as one of the muslim members of staff said that he was offended by it.
They apparently couldn't ban employees from bringing in food containing pork into the building. Ridiculous. My ex worked there at the time and was outraged. You don't hear Vegetarians having companies ban staff from having screensavers of a nice steak or chicken fillet do you?
The ban was overturned after a few weeks but still......there will always be a few in any culture, religion or race that will want to take things a little further than the rest.
What we mustn't do is pigeon hole anyone and remember that it is only ever the minority that have the extreme beliefs and opinions. The rest of us just try to be understanding, tolerant and learn about each other.
Agreed. I would only add that as long as the pc brigade perpetuate the kind of lunacy you've given examples of above, the more it plays into the hands of right wing extremists. It just amazes me that so many people can't seem to see it.
madness
13-03-09, 11:15 PM
soldiers dont defend a country or an ideal, all they do is look after the boys around them untill they get home safe
That statement probably applies nowdays, but we are all aware that it's not always been the case.
gruntygiggles
13-03-09, 11:15 PM
so if it wasnt a attack against the soldiers then why were they holding signs saying "anglian soldiers go to hell" watch the video, it shows it there.
Because they had the opportunity to protest and get their message across, so they did. If they were able to get to Downing Street, the signs would have been directed at the PM.
It may seem obvious to us that the soldiers are not the people to target the protests at, but they are just taking whatever opportunity they get. It's that simple.
yea but you be so grateful for the extra £5 a day for going to a combat zone:rolleyes:
haha yeah i would, so are you saying its bad pay or good?
Because they had the opportunity to protest and get their message across, so they did. If they were able to get to Downing Street, the signs would have been directed at the PM.
It may seem obvious to us that the soldiers are not the people to target the protests at, but they are just taking whatever opportunity they get. It's that simple.
but the people who shouted back at the protesters got arrested ??????? how does that work?
davepreston
13-03-09, 11:19 PM
the military action by allied forces has resulted in avoidable civilian casualties, including babies and children, would that not meet the definition of "baby killer"?
just because we sugar coat it and wring our hands saying how bad it is doesn't absolve us as a nation of what we do while invading another country
thats right we target children :rolleyes:
unavoidable yes, its a warzone. ive been to places where they do target kids and it is to say the least insulting to be but in that catergory
BanditPat
13-03-09, 11:20 PM
If it was up to me any one protesting like that would be put into iraq and the entire country glassed. Before any one cries about what i said I'm entitled to my own opinion and that's what it is. I'm sure if the war was the other way round and they had invaded our country and I was living there and protested the soldiers coming back into Iraq i wouldn't have had a ring of police around me making sure that i didnt get lynched.
davepreston
13-03-09, 11:20 PM
That statement probably applies nowdays, but we are all aware that it's not always been the case.
agreed
madness
13-03-09, 11:21 PM
haha yeah i would, so are you saying its bad pay or good?
A guy I know through work has a son who's in a recon. unit in Afghanistan. One of their Landrovers got blew up by a landmine, killing the driver and seriously injuring 3 others. I think none of them where on more than about 17k pay. I for one wouldn't put myself in that position for that sort of money.
davepreston
13-03-09, 11:23 PM
haha yeah i would, so are you saying its bad pay or good?
£60 a day to run a gauntlet of bombs and small arms fire
yea its poo
gruntygiggles
13-03-09, 11:27 PM
but the people who shouted back at the protesters got arrested ??????? how does that work?
I don't know what those people were saying, but if they said anything derogatory or made any racist comments or threats, they asked for it. I don't agree with it, but there you go.
We have a freedom of speech in this country as we all know. Now....the protestors had the right to protest and they organised it properly and the police attended as they should to defend these peoples rights to protest. Anyone trying to obstruct this right to free speech is not giving a very good example of how to uphold the very free speech we are all entitled to.
Here's the thing as I see it....
Every time these extremists protest, the media and crowds of people should turn up, have a quick look and move on. Not write about it, shout about it or do anything at all. Just give it the, "oh look, another protest" indifference it deserves and give them no more attention.
yer i do but how can you protest at that. we didnt go out there boming schools ect did we
what exactly does 'boming' mean?
what exactly does 'boming' mean?
guessing that bombing Lol
the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 11:33 PM
thats right we target children :rolleyes:
i never said anything of the sort, if you can't tell the difference between an avoidable death and murder then you truly are stupid:rolleyes:
madness
13-03-09, 11:33 PM
Here's a hypothetical situation.
One day I take it upon myself to stand on the High Street and start shouting at the first policeman I see, saying that he is baby killer/rapist/paedophile/whatever. Does anyone really believe that I'd be left to protest and exercise my freedom of speech?
Just a thought.
gettin2dizzy
13-03-09, 11:36 PM
And sorry for expressing my opinion strongly. I have spoken to canadian forces and when one of there soldiers die in war they are taken back then they are driven along there freeway, there are hundrends maybe een thousands of people who turn out too see there soldiers last journey. i think the uk should be more like this and be proud of the forces.
chompy:D
http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/westboro.jpg
gettin2dizzy
13-03-09, 11:37 PM
Here's a hypothetical situation.
One day I take it upon myself to stand on the High Street and start shouting at the first policeman I see, saying that he is baby killer/rapist/paedophile/whatever. Does anyone really believe that I'd be left to protest and exercise my freedom of speech?
Just a thought.
It's an arrestable offence to take a picture of one.
the_lone_wolf
13-03-09, 11:38 PM
http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/westboro.jpg
yeah but that's ok cause they're not brown enough to disqualify them from freely expressing an opinion;)
gruntygiggles
13-03-09, 11:39 PM
http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/westboro.jpg
Hahaha, this family are amazing.......for their incredible ignorance! I am glued to the TV when they are on. I don't want to give them the time of day, but at the same time, I like to hear just what amazing rubbish they'll come out with next!
http://randazza.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/westboro.jpg
they are a known group, that are across the us and canada, my point was that there forces are shown more respect than the uk forces from what i have seen. altough this group did try to enter the UK and were not allowed in.
gettin2dizzy
13-03-09, 11:40 PM
yeah but that's ok cause they're not brown enough to disqualify them from freely expressing an opinion;)
Hehe. I found this whilst searching for those nutters. It really made me laugh :lol:
http://djdubz.shackspace.com/TMB%20forum%20pics/homo.jpg
http://www.birdsbeforethestorm.net/2008/10/everyone-hates-god-hates-fags/
gruntygiggles
13-03-09, 11:42 PM
Here's a hypothetical situation.
One day I take it upon myself to stand on the High Street and start shouting at the first policeman I see, saying that he is baby killer/rapist/paedophile/whatever. Does anyone really believe that I'd be left to protest and exercise my freedom of speech?
Just a thought.
No, you'd be arrested, but get this....if you wanted to protest the police and went through the proper channels to organise it, the police would have to call upon the armed forces to protect you in your protest. How mental is that.
I was told that by a very senior police inspector last year in a conversation on this very subject.
Hehe. I found this whilst searching for those nutters. It really made me laugh :lol:
http://djdubz.shackspace.com/TMB%20forum%20pics/homo.jpg
http://www.birdsbeforethestorm.net/2008/10/everyone-hates-god-hates-fags/
haha that great Lol made me chuckle
It's an arrestable offence to take a picture of one.
Not quite true!
It permits the arrest of anyone found "eliciting, publishing or communicating information" relating to members of the armed forces, intelligence services and police officers, which is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism".
Ch00
dizzyblonde
13-03-09, 11:45 PM
Look, the protesters did their job, promote mass hysterior and dividing of the people over a molehill.
Many a muslim I know takes the pee out of themselves as much as any catholic or christian.
They do not speak about wars in Iraq or any other country with us' white' people. We talk about 'achmed the terrorist' and how he makes us all laugh. We chat about Tariq and his many wives (or lack of them). We all agree the soldiers are there to do a job, so why do these small minded minority do these things? To get attention...is what all so called rebels do...then they eventually fade into the background and someone else will take their place.
P.s Tariq is not a fictional charactor, I work with him and we share many a pee take, on both sides at work on a regular basis, its what normal folk do to get on in life
BanditPat
13-03-09, 11:47 PM
Look, the protesters did their job, promote mass hysterior and dividing of the people over a molehill.
Many a muslim I know takes the pee out of themselves as much as any catholic or christian.
They do not speak about wars in Iraq or any other country with us' white' people. We talk about 'achmed the terrorist' and how he makes us all laugh. We chat about Tariq and his many wives (or lack of them). We all agree the soldiers are there to do a job, so why do these small minded minority do these things? To get attention...is what all so called rebels do...then they eventually fade into the background and someone else will take their place.
So does that make what they did any better then?
So does that make what they did any better then?
no
the police would not have done anything
http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/5397/rollbarf.gif
but the people who shouted back at the protesters got arrested ??????? how does that work?
They were breaking the law and the protesters were not. Pretty simple.
madness
14-03-09, 12:10 AM
I was under the impression that the police could arrest you for 'Behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace'. So the protestors could have been arrested. But that would've been playing right into their hands and given them even better publicity.
Not quite true!
It permits the arrest of anyone found "eliciting, publishing or communicating information" relating to members of the armed forces, intelligence services and police officers, which is "likely to be useful to a person committing or preparing an act of terrorism".
Ch00
+1
If it was illegal, they wouldn't give them such sexy uniforms (especially the bikers) :cool:
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