Hate for are heroes

[Nicky S]

ever one must of seen this or heard about it. im sorrie but its sick i hope the protesters die in hell :smt074

from the sun click me to see the hole story and the video
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/article2312015.ece)BRAVE soldiers back from Iraq were forced to endure a tirade of abuse yesterday — from hate-filled BRITISH Muslims.

Fifteen fanatics staged a sickening protest — sanctioned by police — as 200 Royal Anglian troops marched in a welcome home parade.
They wielded banners branding the soldiers butchers, war criminals, murderers, terrorists — and baby killers.

They brandished placards showing obscene photos of mutilated children. And they yelled: “Anglian soldiers go to hell.”
One an 18-year-old man was today charged with racially aggravated harassment.
The second aged in his 40s, was handed a fixed penalty notice.
And as they were challenged by angry onlookers, cops formed a protective ring around them.

The soldiers, from the Anglians’ 2nd Battalion, recently returned from a tough six-month tour in Basra, southern Iraq, where they trained local forces.

the thing i dont get why are the police protecting them and handing out fines and arresting people who are yelling abuse back ...... they’re only too happy to live here and benefit from the protection of our police i bet if there police wernt there most of them would be dead

what are peoples view on this ????

[gettin2dizzy]

ever one must of seen this or heard about it. im sorrie but its sick i hope the protesters die in hell :smt074

from the sun click me to see the hole story and the video
(http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/campaigns/our_boys/article2312015.ece)BRAVE soldiers back from Iraq were forced to endure a tirade of abuse yesterday — from hate-filled BRITISH Muslims.

Fifteen fanatics staged a sickening protest — sanctioned by police — as 200 Royal Anglian troops marched in a welcome home parade.
They wielded banners branding the soldiers butchers, war criminals, murderers, terrorists — and baby killers.

They brandished placards showing obscene photos of mutilated children. And they yelled: “Anglian soldiers go to hell.”
One an 18-year-old man was today charged with racially aggravated harassment.
The second aged in his 40s, was handed a fixed penalty notice.
And as they were challenged by angry onlookers, cops formed a protective ring around them.

The soldiers, from the Anglians’ 2nd Battalion, recently returned from a tough six-month tour in Basra, southern Iraq, where they trained local forces.

the thing i dont get why are the police protecting them and handing out fines and arresting people who are yelling abuse back ...... they’re only too happy to live here and benefit from the protection of our police i bet if there police wernt there most of them would be dead

what are peoples view on this ????
That article couldn't be more fueled, and I see no reputable publication picking up on the story.

Sounds to me like pathetic stirring by a second-rate tabloid.

[Nicky S]

so you dont realy care that people that come over to are land and try and blow us up and kill us then yell abuse at are men who go out there to keep are land. and they also yelled abuse at ar dead. we went over there to keep freedom of speach or w.e if they did that in there own country they prob would have there hands cut off

[hob]

Wrong people to protest to, they should be after the people that took us to war under false pretenses.

we went over there to keep freedom of speach or w.e if they did that in there own country they prob would have there hands cut off

We removed Saddam & thus destabilized the area {WMD ==> LOL} , you can't rule it with diplomacy it doesn't work, you need the Iron fist of terror.

[Nicky S]

well that place will never sort it self out i just dont understand how the goverment can let people do that to are men

[gettin2dizzy]

so you dont realy care that people that come over to are land and try and blow us up and kill us then yell abuse at are men who go out there to keep are land. and they also yelled abuse at ar dead. we went over there to keep freedom of speach or w.e if they did that in there own country they prob would have there hands cut off
So muslims come over here to blow us up? Somehow I think you need to read in to this war in more detail.

Remember; war has two sides.

[hob]

I think the right to protest/ freedom of expression is basically the fob-off as to why we removed Saddam?, or it has turned into that and all the other great things that go with diplomacy...

Still unsure why we stood back and let Mugabe side step diplomacy lol.

[davepreston]

this aint new me and my mate were insulted in heathrow flying into manchester after getting back from iraq (in uk 4hrs and still wearing sand) it upsets you a bit but then you just think f u mate do my job of a day then you have the right to mouth at me, it still urks me when i think of it but opinions-arsewholes and all that. now i just refer to rule 1 head down crack on let someone else deal with the politics

[Nicky S]

So muslims come over here to blow us up? Somehow I think you need to read in to this war in more detail.

Remember; war has two sides.


yer i nooooooooooo im just saying why let this happen. k you dont real seem to care but it myt just be coz im younge and iv grown up with ever one h8ting them for killing are people. and coming over here and taking peoples jobs and stuff dose that not bother you ??

[Nicky S]

this aint new me and my mate were insulted in heathrow flying into manchester after getting back from iraq (in uk 4hrs and still wearing sand) it upsets you a bit but then you just think f u mate do my job of a day then you have the right to mouth at me, it still urks me when i think of it but opinions-arsewholes and all that. now i just refer to rule 1 head down crack on let someone else deal with the politics

see if i was you id try to kill them your gonig out there to try and help and you jsut get **** for it

[gettin2dizzy]

this aint new me and my mate were insulted in heathrow flying into manchester after getting back from iraq (in uk 4hrs and still wearing sand) it upsets you a bit but then you just think f u mate do my job of a day then you have the right to mouth at me, it still urks me when i think of it but opinions-arsewholes and all that. now i just refer to rule 1 head down crack on let someone else deal with the politics
You are in the military?

I don't think anyone coming back from service deserves hassle. But I don't believe that article and I don't believe all Muslims are anti-UK.

[hob]

yer i nooooooooooo im just saying why let this happen. k you dont real seem to care but it myt just be coz im younge and iv grown up with ever one h8ting them for killing are people. and coming over here and taking peoples jobs and stuff dose that not bother you ??

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I think the government may have had a slight part to do with the massive influx of "illegal" asylum seekers.

There are two different points, people that work in the UK that are not "British" born are not the same as asylum seekers nor illegal Aliens.

[davepreston]

thats the thimg mate i know they dont so i put it down to lack of info and then if i respond well what their sayin is made true, lose lose situation they can do what they do i'll go home kiss my wife see my friends and family and be gratful i was one of the lucky ones

[davepreston]

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

I think the government may have had a slight part to do with the massive influx of "illegal" asylum seekers.

There are two different points, people that work in the UK that are not "British" born are not the same as asylum seekers nor illegal Aliens.

exellent points
sure im a paddy so could be construde as an imigrant and these sentiments are very remenisant of the whole irish disthrust thing that wasnt so long ago so again i refer to rule 1

[ThEGr33k]

Shocking tbh. :(

[gettin2dizzy]

yer i nooooooooooo im just saying why let this happen. k you dont real seem to care but it myt just be coz im younge and iv grown up with ever one h8ting them for killing are people. and coming over here and taking peoples jobs and stuff dose that not bother you ??
Nope. Your grasp of the English language does however.

Think about this through properly. Go and speak to 'them' and understand their view on life. Your views are unquestionably ill-informed.

[davepreston]

im a dirty civi now mrs giggles wanted to see more ov me (less worry)

[wyrdness]

Remember that our 'heroes' are an invading and occupying army in another country. Of course that's going to make them unpopular.

[the_lone_wolf]

...rule 1 head down crack on let someone else deal with the politics

+1

The folks who are actually putting their lives at risk on the whim of idiot politicians deserve nothing but respect IMO

However, Nicky S your views on muslims are so demonstrably wrong it's laughable, grow up and start looking beyond what the latest BNP newsletter tells you...

[Becks]

Disgusting

[Red Herring]

so you dont realy care that people that come over to are land and try and blow us up and kill us then yell abuse at are men who go out there to keep are land. and they also yelled abuse at ar dead. we went over there to keep freedom of speach or w.e if they did that in there own country they prob would have there hands cut off

Your OP:

"BRAVE soldiers back from Iraq were forced to endure a tirade of abuse yesterday — from hate-filled BRITISH Muslims."

Make your mind up, are these foreign protesters or people that are as British as your and me, but just maybe with a different set of beliefs? Like has been said, you need to understand more before shouting your mouth off, it just makes you sound like an ignorant racial ****. And for the record the police are probably only just doing their job as well, yet they seem to put up with regular tirades of abuse as well. If you really want to do something about the state of the nation join up yourself.

[madness]

The trouble is there are thousands of people out there who think the same way as Nicky S. They read the Sun and believe what is written.
Undoubtedly there was a protest by a few Muslim extremists, and I'm suprised that the police allowed them to demonstrate as their actions where likely to cause a breach of the peace. I'm suprised that there wasn't more than 2 arrests that day.
I can only see matters getting worse as extreme views grow on both sides. I'm aware that people (and these are sensible, educated people) are becoming less tolerant about 'foriegners' in our country. I hope it never happens, but I wouldn't be suprised if we didn't see some anti-muslim/anti-foriegner civil unrest in the future.

[Becks]

so you dont realy care that people that come over to are land and try and blow us up and kill us then yell abuse at are men who go out there to keep are land.
Different war in a different country, you are mixing Afghanistan with Iraq.

Undoubtedly there was a protest by a few Muslim extremists
The Muslim Council has publicly announced they do not support or share the views of this small minority.

[TonyS]

British forces deserve our support and respect. They do a difficult job, often putting themselves at great risk on our behalf, so it is a sad sight to see ignorant people protesting the troops.

I do support the right to protest though, even if I vehemently disagree with their point of view. They should be protesting the idiot politicians that the started the war not the soldiers though. Currently, they're probably doing their cause more harm than good.

[Red Herring]

yer i nooooooooooo im just saying why let this happen. k you dont real seem to care but it myt just be coz im younge and iv grown up with ever one h8ting them for killing are people. and coming over here and taking peoples jobs and stuff dose that not bother you ??

Why exactly is it that someone from another country can arrive here and find work? Are they some sort of mutant with three arms and two heads that can therefore do things British workers cannot, or is it that they perhaps understand true hardship and are therefore prepared to work for a living?

The problem with Britain is that there are to many people living here who think the country owes them a living and all they need to do is fill in the claim forms to get it, only they can't fill the forms in because they dropped out of school, but that's OK because we'll employ a foreign worker who has taken the trouble to learn to read and write (sic) English to do it for them.

[keithd]

my only imput is -

our

i know it shouldnt annoy me, but it winds me up!

carry on

[gettin2dizzy]

my only imput is -

our

i know it shouldnt annoy me, but it winds me up!

carry on
:lol: it was ****ing me off too!

Ironic that this hate-fueled racist rant was written in something that is certainly not english.

[SoulKiss]

:lol: it was ****ing me off too!

Ironic that this hate-fueled racist rant was written in something that is certainly not english.

It does however, as previously pointed out, show why Johnny Foreigner with his better grasp of the language, is getting all the jobs......

[stewie]

See the thing is we live in a demecracy so those people have a right in democract society to protest if they wish, ironically it was guys similar to the lads coming back from Iraq and Afganaistan that for the fought for democracy in the first place, the main thing is to remeber that the vast majority of people in this country support our troops, its just a shame that our politicians were so shortsighted in sending em down there in the first place.

[SoulKiss]

my only imput is -

our

i know it shouldnt annoy me, but it winds me up!

carry on

Oh and Keithy-babes - its Input, not Imput :p

[stewie]

:lol: it was ****ing me off too!

Ironic that this hate-fueled racist rant was written in something that is certainly not english.
Its a democracy, he,s entitled to his point of view though

[SoulKiss]

my only imput is -

our

i know it shouldnt annoy me, but it winds me up!

carry on

Oh and Keithy-babes - its input, not imput :p

I know you only put that there so that I would talk to you so thats ok \\:D/

[Dappa D]

my only input is -

our

i know it shouldnt annoy me, but it winds me up!

carry on

+1


didnt read the link as saw what I needed to on the news, I believe people should have the right to protest / freedom of speech, but this minority were protesting to the wrong people, probably a bad example but, say you wanted to protest against royal mail because a letter that had been posted 2 weeks ago first class had still not arrived, having words/protest against the postman is not going to get you anywhere, he just the guy at the frontline.......
Some of what they had written on their boards however was totally not the way to protest and just pure evil.

this minority from what I have seen have banged on about freedom of speech (including some well respected / high profile muslims), thats all well and good but it has to go both ways....(remember the cartoon? - ok not "speech" but in a similar ballpark)

for the record I respect all servicemen/women and think they are doing a good job, regardless of which war they are in or if i agree with that war or not.....but if i had a problem with said war, i wouldnt protest the servicemen/women, they are the postman.


Originally Posted by Nicky S http://forums.sv650.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?p=1819883#post1819883)
so you dont realy care that people that come over to are land and try and blow us up and kill us then yell abuse at are men who go out there to keep are land. and they also yelled abuse at ar dead. we went over there to keep freedom of speach or w.e if they did that in there own country they prob would have there hands cut off


:confused:

[oliciv]

so you dont realy care that people that come over to are land and try and blow us up and kill us then yell abuse at are men who go out there to keep are land. and they also yelled abuse at ar dead. we went over there to keep freedom of speach or w.e if they did that in there own country they prob would have there hands cut off

The first line of the article states "BRITISH Muslims"

Are you saying that if we were in their country (Britain), we'd have our hands cut off? :O

Your posts read like you have been playing with that daily mail headline generator...

[keithd]

Oh and Keithy-babes - its input, not imput :p

I know you only put that there so that I would talk to you so thats ok \\:D/

ah now thats merely a slip of teh keyboard!!

honest!:oops:

[fraser01]

I think this forum is not the place to discuss this topic, everyone is entitled to their views but this is a sensitive subject and anyone can access this site.

[dizzyblonde]

Due to the heated debate on another forum about this disgusting shinanigans, their general chat forum has now been changed, so you can only access it by logging in. Theres probably a bit more to it than that, but its always been public, and it gets pretty heated in there at the best of times, cynical and sarcastic views a plenty. Obviously whatever has been spoken about needed to be debated in private amongst its members. I can only imagine what has been said about the subject.
I think things are getting out of hand these days.
To be fair from what i saw of the images on TV, the general public acknowledging the soldiers for the better, gave the protesters some food for thought, and I think it is about bloody time. I don't mind any person having the right to say what they want, but to vent anger at people who have to do a job, is not the way to go about it. I'm also fed up with the powers that be, bowing to 'minorities' and letting this once great country, to lose its patriotism and backbone. Let the British be british, and all those that we welcome here be british too. Soldiers are there to do a job they are made to do. Not all of us agree with the things that are having to do out there, but they have to do it, and should be given some respect for it

[gruntygiggles]

my only imput is -

our

i know it shouldnt annoy me, but it winds me up!

carry on

+1.....no need for me to say it now!

[stewie]

I think this forum is not the place to discuss this topic, everyone is entitled to their views but this is a sensitive subject and anyone can access this site.
Why ? we,ve got serviceman and ex serviceman on this site, can we not give them the opportunity to voice there opinions ? it is a forum after all ;)

[fraser01]

Why ? we,ve got serviceman and ex serviceman on this site, can we not give them the opportunity to voice there opinions ? it is a forum after all ;)

I did 10 years in the army and remember some of the protests when we came back from tours...so I know where people are coming from and why there is outrage...

However I have my personal views and that's how they will stay...personal.

--end--

[gruntygiggles]

Nicky S, I think you've probably gathered by now that maybe if you are defending British troops, you could get a better grasp of the British language. Some of us are older and posts that aren't written in proper English can be really annoying. That's just a tip so you don't get picked up on it any more. If you don't care, than carry on as you are.

As for the subject as a whole, the protestors are British Muslims and as such, have every right to protest which is why the police allowed them to do so. That is our British law and anyone that is or becomes a British citizen, regardless of race or religion has equal rights in that respect so you can't condemn the police for doing their job.

The troops do deserve our respect and support and they have it from me always, regardless of my personal views on the war they are fighting in. However, we must remember that the people protesting have to sit at home and watch as troops go into their ancestral country (or religious home if they are British born) and fight a war that they don't believe needs fighting. However misguided their opinions and however misguided the actions of the politicians sending our troops in, you cannot expect everybody to just sit by and take it.

It's all too easy to group all Muslims together, but we should never do that. Those protestors are a minority and share a minority view amongst Muslims, so we can't tarnish all with the same brush.

They were protesting against the wrong people as others have already said. However, they are just trying to use a public arena to get their message across and they know that troops having abuse hurled at them will get into the public eye. The more people like you get up in arms about it, the more fuel you are adding to their fire.

Let them protest as they are allowed to by law but don't waste paper pages or news coverage on them....that's what they want.

Put your personal views aside for a while and research the Muslim faith, research the conflicts in the Middle East through the last 40 years, all of them, from both sides and then you may have a more rounded and developed knowledge of the situation upon which to build your own opinions.

[stewie]

I did 10 years in the army and remember some of the protests when we came back from tours...so I know where people are coming from and why there is outrage...

However I have my personal views and that's how they will stay...personal.

--end--

And I did 10 yrs in the air force, however you are right, so I will say no more either .

[oliciv]

The title of this thread reminds me of a great Facebook group I saw once along the lines of


Your in England so learn to speak the language

[keithd]

The title of this thread reminds me of a great Facebook group I saw once along the lines of


Your in England so learn to speak the language

not an oxford comma in sight!

[MiniMatt]

What Grunty said.

Twice.

I was going to write something about hate fuelled racist ranting by people who "come over here" and can't be bothered to learn our language. But I think the subtleties would have been lost.

What Grunty states is both far more eloquent, far calmer and far more convincing than another of my typical rants.

[Nicky S]

ok so why has ever one picked up on the fact that i cant spell and also labed me a racist which im not i just think its out of order that they live in our country and yell abuse at are army who are only doing there job when it is for the good of them. but aprently im a racist. so why dose my view count ???? i dont h8 ever muslim most of the people i work with are muslim and i get on with them well.. i just didnt get what i was trying to say over to you lot proply.

[Dappa D]

ok so why has ever one picked up on the fact that i cant spell and also labed me a racist which im not i just think its out of order that they live in our country and yell abuse at are army who are only doing there job when it is for the good of them. but aprently im a racist. so why dose my view count ???? i dont h8 ever muslim most of the people i work with are muslim and i get on with them well.. i just didnt get what i was trying to say over to you lot proply.

If what you were saying that its a disgrace how this minority protested against the soldiers (more so the way they did it)

I agree

[oliciv]

Do you not believe in a right to protest?

You say that "they" live in "our" country as if they have less of a right to live here than you do...

[MiniMatt]

ok so why has ever one picked up on the fact that i cant spell and also labed me a racist which im not i just think its out of order that they live in our country and yell abuse at are army who are only doing there job when it is for the good of them. but aprently im a racist. so why dose my view count ???? i dont h8 ever muslim most of the people i work with are muslim and i get on with them well.. i just didnt get what i was trying to say over to you lot proply.

The bit in bold is what makes you an easy target for accusations of racism - not that I'm saying you are, I don't know you, perhaps you are perhaps you're not. They're British - that makes this their country every much as it's your country. They are entitled to their views just as much as you are.

I find their views pretty repulsive, I also find your views pretty repulsive - and doubtless many people out there find my views pretty repulsive. But rightly or wrongly, I'm entitled to mine, you're entitled to yours.

[Nicky S]

Do you not believe in a right to protest?

You say that "they" live in "our" country as if they have less of a right to live here than you do...


yer i do but how can you protest at that. we didnt go out there boming schools ect did we

[Nicky S]

The bit in bold is what makes you an easy target for accusations of racism - not that I'm saying you are, I don't know you, perhaps you are perhaps you're not. They're British - that makes this their country every much as it's your country. They are entitled to their views just as much as you are.

I find their views pretty repulsive, I also find your views pretty repulsive - and doubtless many people out there find my views pretty repulsive. But rightly or wrongly, I'm entitled to mine, you're entitled to yours.


yer i know its ars as much as it is theres ... lol what you talking about its mine yours and they live here but to then yell abuse at are army not on

[Nicky S]

If what you were saying that its a disgrace how this minority protested against the soldiers (more so the way they did it)

I agree


Thank you some one that sees my point

[Bear]

Umm, yes actually we have bombed schools in the past. We also paid for the training and set up of the Taliban back when they were fighting the Russians and were therefore the good guys.

Also, who HAS bombed schools recently? As far as I know there has been no recent spates of school bombings?

[MiniMatt]

Ok, put it this way - what in your view are people allowed to protest against?

Can we protest against fox hunting?
Can we protest against the ban on fox hunting?
Can we protest the poll tax?
Can we protest the war in Iraq?
Can we protest the introduction of ID cards?
Can we protest against the DNA database?
Can we protest terror suspect detention without charge?

On this very forum you will find people on both sides, and some on the fence, of every one of these debates (ok, perhaps it's been a while since poll tax) - in this country you'll find many more people with varying degrees of alignment to these and many other debates.

One of the benefits of this country, my country, your country, their country is that we have the right to free speech and protest (arguably being eroded at a frightening rate - but that's another story). That right does not come with a clause that we're not allowed to protest about something if some people, or even the majority of people, don't agree with the protest.

[MiniMatt]

Umm, yes actually we have bombed schools in the past. We also paid for the training and set up of the Taliban back when they were fighting the Russians and were therefore the good guys.

Also, who HAS bombed schools recently? As far as I know there has been no recent spates of school bombings?

Last one I remember was Israel. Unfortunately I didn't have to go back particularly far in my memory. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7814054.stm

Legitimate governments around the world do tend to have a habit of far more succesful school bombings than terrorists unfortunately. (But before anyone bites, yes I do take the point about targetting an installation versus hitting it accidentally).

[Nicky S]

Ok, put it this way - what in your view are people allowed to protest against?

Can we protest against fox hunting?
Can we protest against the ban on fox hunting?
Can we protest the poll tax?
Can we protest the war in Iraq?
Can we protest the introduction of ID cards?
Can we protest against the DNA database?
Can we protest terror suspect detention without charge?

On this very forum you will find people on both sides, and some on the fence, of every one of these debates (ok, perhaps it's been a while since poll tax) - in this country you'll find many more people with varying degrees of alignment to these and many other debates.

One of the benefits of this country, my country, your country, their country is that we have the right to free speech and protest (arguably being eroded at a frightening rate - but that's another story). That right does not come with a clause that we're not allowed to protest about something if some people, or even the majority of people, don't agree with the protest.

thats fine +1

[speedplay]

I worked in the bury park area of luton for a couple of weeks sub contracting.
The area is heavily populated by muslims.
I am not racist and try to keep an open mind when it comes to other views.
But when your the only white guy stood on the street and being spat at by people because your different, there is something very wrong.

[gruntygiggles]

yer i do but how can you protest at that. we didnt go out there boming schools ect did we


Uh....yes! And that's what they're protesting at. Many thousands of innocent people die in the conflicts, some of those deaths (many in some wars) are caused by British weapons and bombs. There is no getting away from that so these people are protesting as they have every right to do.

I did not imply you were a racist and I did not criticise you for your spelling, I simply said if you don't want it to be pointed out, correct it. I also said if you don't care what people think, carry on as you are....can't be fairer than that.

This post of yours though sums it up for me. "We didn't go out there bombing schools etc did we?" YES........we did, hence me advising you to go and research it. Go and find out how many Iraqis, Afghanis (sp?) etc have been killed at the hands of western weapons and you'll see it from the other side.

I have my personal opinions on the war and they will stay personal, but what we need to remember is that the troops that go out there and follow commands are doing just that....following commands. They are doing their jobs and we're bloody lucky to have these men and woman sign up, so I don't think they should be subject to any abuse for that as I said before.

Nicky, no one here has said you are racist, some have maybe mentioned that the way you put your point across could be mitaken for racism, but no one has called you racist, me included.

I think what we are all trying to say though is that your views are extremely narrow and one sided. I am fed up to the back teeth of so many things that our government does, but I'll never just rant without trying to get a good rounded view of things.

Please just take a step back, don't be so defensive and listen to what we are saying if you can. Every one of us has agreed with you that the protest was wrong, misguided and that our troops should not have to put up with it. However, your views are almost bordering on inciting hate for these people, when we really do have to accept that they have every right to their own opinion as we are ours and they, like us, have the right to protest. Their country is our country and vice versa, so you have to be careful how you talk about, "them" and "us".

[MiniMatt]

I worked in the bury park area of luton for a couple of weeks sub contracting.
The area is heavily populated by muslims.
I am not racist and try to keep an open mind when it comes to other views.
But when your the only white guy stood on the street and being spat at by people because your different, there is something very wrong.

I'd say it's more than wrong, it's blatant racism and it's every bit as wrong in whatever direction it's aimed. So long as we don't (and I'm not aiming this at you here, or anyone in particular) revert to racism in order to try and tackle racism then we stand a chance of eradicating it.

[Nicky S]

Uh....yes! And that's what they're protesting at. Many thousands of innocent people die in the conflicts, some of those deaths (many in some wars) are caused by British weapons and bombs. There is no getting away from that so these people are protesting as they have every right to do.

I did not imply you were a racist and I did not criticise you for your spelling, I simply said if you don't want it to be pointed out, correct it. I also said if you don't care what people think, carry on as you are....can't be fairer than that.

This post of yours though sums it up for me. "We didn't go out there bombing schools etc did we?" YES........we did, hence me advising you to go and research it. Go and find out how many Iraqis, Afghanis (sp?) etc have been killed at the hands of western weapons and you'll see it from the other side.

I have my personal opinions on the war and they will stay personal, but what we need to remember is that the troops that go out there and follow commands are doing just that....following commands. They are doing their jobs and we're bloody lucky to have these men and woman sign up, so I don't think they should be subject to any abuse for that as I said before.

Nicky, no one here has said you are racist, some have maybe mentioned that the way you put your point across could be mitaken for racism, but no one has called you racist, me included.

I think what we are all trying to say though is that your views are extremely narrow and one sided. I am fed up to the back teeth of so many things that our government does, but I'll never just rant without trying to get a good rounded view of things.

Please just take a step back, don't be so defensive and listen to what we are saying if you can. Every one of us has agreed with you that the protest was wrong, misguided and that our troops should not have to put up with it. However, your views are almost bordering on inciting hate for these people, when we really do have to accept that they have every right to their own opinion as we are ours and they, like us, have the right to protest. Their country is our country and vice versa, so you have to be careful how you talk about, "them" and "us".
:notworthy:

[Nicky S]

I worked in the bury park area of luton for a couple of weeks sub contracting.
The area is heavily populated by muslims.
I am not racist and try to keep an open mind when it comes to other views.
But when your the only white guy stood on the street and being spat at by people because your different, there is something very wrong.


thats just wrong

[gruntygiggles]

I worked in the bury park area of luton for a couple of weeks sub contracting.
The area is heavily populated by muslims.
I am not racist and try to keep an open mind when it comes to other views.
But when your the only white guy stood on the street and being spat at by people because your different, there is something very wrong.

Precisely the kind of behaviour that can give all Muslims a bad name. That is disgraceful on their part and really gets my back up. Unfortunately, the government is too afraid to do anything about it for fear of repurcussions!

[Luckypants]

I worked in the bury park area of luton for a couple of weeks sub contracting.
The area is heavily populated by muslims.
I am not racist and try to keep an open mind when it comes to other views.
But when your the only white guy stood on the street and being spat at by people because your different, there is something very wrong.

thats just wrong

Yes indeed. This is what the race relations legislation is for. You really should have reported it to the police, get the culprits done for their 'racially motivated crime'. Racism is racism, no matter what colour skin the recipient or perpetrator have.

[Nicky S]

Yes indeed. This is what the race relations legislation is for. You really should have reported it to the police, get the culprits done for their 'racially motivated crime'. Racism is racism, no matter what colour skin the recipient or perpetrator have.


the police would not have done anything

[Stingo]

the police would not have done anything


Rather trollish...imo..

[ophic]

Is it Voltaire that said sommat along the lines of:

"I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

Without that principle, you lose the freedom of speech and then goes the freedom of thought, so our opinions have to be the same as whoever is in power.

I'm not sure he made any comment about saying things coherently :p

[dizzyblonde]

I worked in the bury park area of luton for a couple of weeks sub contracting.
The area is heavily populated by muslims.
I am not racist and try to keep an open mind when it comes to other views.
But when your the only white guy stood on the street and being spat at by people because your different, there is something very wrong.

thats just wrong

unfortunately this sort of thing happens quite often around here(its a predominantly muslim area) and believe it or not its from school children, and more often but typically teens and young adults

Precisely the kind of behaviour that can give all Muslims a bad name. That is disgraceful on their part and really gets my back up. Unfortunately, the government is too afraid to do anything about it for fear of repurcussions!

It is, they are as a hole a lovely bunch of people, as I have said many times on this forum, I work with an awful lot of muslims I am proud to call friends. They and myself enjoy banter about what our individual religions are about, and how similar but different they are. Its a lot better if you have the time to learn a little about each other, you get mutual respect from both sides, especially when you work as a close team on nightshifts....you have a lot to talk about to pass the time ;-) The government is far too concerned with being PC

Yes indeed. This is what the race relations legislation is for. You really should have reported it to the police, get the culprits done for their 'racially motivated crime'. Racism is racism, no matter what colour skin the recipient or perpetrator have.

A recent article in our local paper only last week reported on the front page of the decline in race relations in Halifax

the police would not have done anything

something I really wish I could disagree with, but sadly is seen as quite true in a lot of cases, as again they fear the repercussions.

Rather trollish...imo..

:confused:

[Nicky S]

It is, they are as a hole a lovely bunch of people, as I have said many times on this forum, I work with an awful lot of muslims I am proud to call friends. They and myself enjoy banter about what our individual religions are about, and how similar but different they are. Its a lot better if you have the time to learn a little about each other, you get mutual respect from both sides, especially when you work as a close team on nightshifts....you have a lot to talk about to pass the time :wink: The government is far too concerned with being PC

were do you work seems a lot lik my job lol

[gruntygiggles]

It is, they are as a hole a lovely bunch of people, as I have said many times on this forum, I work with an awful lot of muslims I am proud to call friends. They and myself enjoy banter about what our individual religions are about, and how similar but different they are. Its a lot better if you have the time to learn a little about each other, you get mutual respect from both sides, especially when you work as a close team on nightshifts....you have a lot to talk about to pass the time ;-) The government is far too concerned with being PC



I grew up in a village in South Wales with one black family and I think there were maybe two when I left in 1997 and three or four Asian families there. They never had any problems there and no one there ever had any problems with them. It was another couple of years before I grew a circle of friends with various race/religions and like I've said to NickyS, you need to understand all points of view and put yourself in everyone elses shoes before you can form true opinions.

Do I hate it when you get young Asian or black kids walking up the street giving you looks, spitting and swearing.....yes! But, I hate it just as much when it's young white people or anyone doing it....it's not a race thing, it's a behaviour thing.

We're never going to get it right in this country when the people in charge are more worried about how they look to other nations that what is actually happening in their own!

[Messie]

I believe there are many people on this very forum who are Muslim by background, culture or faith.

Just a thought

[gruntygiggles]

I believe there are many people on this very forum who are Muslim by background, culture or faith.

Just a thought

Well said! We all need to be a lot more tolerant of each other and a lot more willing to learn about each others beliefs.

[dizzyblonde]

I believe there are many people on this very forum who are Muslim by background, culture or faith.

Just a thought

Indeed

[fizzwheel]

Is it Voltaire that said sommat along the lines of:

"I disagree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

I dont know, but thats how I view modding this forum sometimes....

[Dappa D]

I once posted a thread on here about a lying car trader.........

rather have a pop at dodgy car traders i had a pop at his country of origin....

the thread was moddified by the mods....rightly so, and some comments were made as similar to here....

this did make me go away and think about what i had written and had a positive effect........

hopefully this thread will do the same for the original poster

[keithd]

I dont know, but thats how I view modding this forum sometimes....

oh thats right, make the thread about you......!!!:wink:

[Stingo]

...Lots and lots of sensible things....

...and then Stingo goes and mentions trolls.

:confused:

Just for you Dizzy, 'cos you is great innit..

http://www.urban75.com/Mag/trolling.html


Everyone else - move on - nothing to see here!! Apologies for minor derail.

[Warthog]

I once posted a thread on here about a lying car trader.........

rather have a pop at dodgy car traders i had a pop at his country of origin....

the thread was moddified by the mods....rightly so, and some comments were made as similar to here....

this did make me go away and think about what i had written and had a positive effect........

hopefully this thread will do the same for the original poster

a sincere +1 from me, well put Dappa.

[northwind]

I like the way the Sun mentions the arrests...

"Two people were arrested in the heated demos. One an 18-year-old man was today charged with racially aggravated harassment.The second aged in his 40s, was handed a fixed penalty notice. And as they were challenged by angry onlookers, cops formed a protective ring around them"

Good writing that, implies that it was protesters who were arrested, not the angry mob attacking them. This reporter's good at his job.


It does however, as previously pointed out, show why Johnny Foreigner with his better grasp of the language, is getting all the jobs......

Soulkiss, you are SUCH a c**k. But I like you.

[chompy]

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chompy

[chompy]

Well said! We all need to be a lot more tolerant of each other and a lot more willing to learn about each others beliefs.

i would just like to say that i am not having a personal go at muslims i am having a go about how these people were shouting at our HM forces. i am moaning about the people who did the act on that day. , if they were born into this country fair enough.

I think that the forces are doing there job they are heroes and are defending and serving there country, the country these people live in.

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chompy

[speedplay]

As long as religon exists there will always be hatred and war.

Easy as that.

Religon seems to caused more deaths in the history of man that anything else.

[gettin2dizzy]

I did not criticise you for your spelling,
I did :rolleyes:


I had to read everything about three times before I could grasp what he meant!

[chompy]

As long as religon exists there will always be hatred and war.

Easy as that.

Religon seems to caused more deaths in the history of man that anything else.

indeed but this is not what it is about, it is about these people who were shouting at our forces. they live in the country they are serving

[the_lone_wolf]

i dont know if this has already been written but the poeple who shouted back at the muslims got arrested by our own british police. its outrageous, if they want to be english then that is not there country england is, if they want to be in there own country go back there and start shouting and being out spoken as they are now, they would probably end up dead, that is why they cam here in the first place to be freely spoken.
so where precisely is "there country"?:rolleyes: - what with them being british citizens and all...

Our forces are heroes. every one of them no matter what they do in the force
including their actions at abu ghraib?

[Dan]

true british citizens

These being different to which other British citizens?

This thread has really annoyed me. The British Army/Navy/Air Force are not just comprised of white, British-born, British passport holders. There are hundreds of racial-minority members fighting for YOU and YOUR country. Are they less important as members than the white British working-class lad they fight next to? No.

The forces fight not just for the BNP-loving white British thug, but for all citizens of the country - and they fight not just in order to keep us all safe in our cozy lifestyles, but to SECURE THE RIGHT TO FREEDOM AND FREE SPEECH - the very same right being exercised in the protest to which this thread refers.

Whether you agree or disagree with the opinions expressed by the various parties involved in these protests and indeed this thread, we should all be thankful that we are allowed to have these opinions without fear of torture, persecution or oppression.

As I said, this thread has annoyed me for these reasons - without even getting me started on the frankly ****ing terrible 'English' written in most of the posts. There seems to be a distinct and obvious link between bigotry and appalling spelling and grammar.

[Dan]

including their actions at abu ghraib?

Only Abu Ghraib wasn't our forces, it was the Americans' show, that one.

[speedplay]

indeed but this is not what it is about, it is about these people who were shouting at our forces. they live in the country they are serving


They were shouting because what our forces have done was done in a muslim country.

[chompy]

[quote=the_lone_wolf;1821307]so where precisely is "there country"?:rolleyes: - what with them being british citizens and all...


quote]

so why are they shouting at our forces if this is their country.

[the_lone_wolf]

Only Abu Ghraib wasn't our forces, it was the Americans' show, that one.

dammit, you're spot on, pick another "unfortunate incident" that did involve our troops

[speedplay]

[quote=the_lone_wolf;1821307]so where precisely is "there country"?:rolleyes: - what with them being british citizens and all...


quote]

so why are they shouting at our forces if this is their country.

Depends if your looking for country or homeland.

[the_lone_wolf]

so why are they shouting at our forces if this is their country.

because in their opinion the troops are complicit in the invasion and occupation of another sovereign nation based on misinformation and lies, but we know that can't be the case... the government said so...

just because you're a citizen of a particular nation, doesn't mean you have to agree with everything the leaders of that nation do

[chompy]

These being different to which other British citizens?

This thread has really annoyed me. The British Army/Navy/Air Force are not just comprised of white, British-born, British passport holders. There are hundreds of racial-minority members fighting for YOU and YOUR country. Are they less important as members than the white British working-class lad they fight next to? No.

The forces fight not just for the BNP-loving white British thug, but for all citizens of the country - and they fight not just in order to keep us all safe in our cozy lifestyles, but to SECURE THE RIGHT TO FREEDOM AND FREE SPEECH - the very same right being exercised in the protest to which this thread refers.

Whether you agree or disagree with the opinions expressed by the various parties involved in these protests and indeed this thread, we should all be thankful that we are allowed to have these opinions without fear of torture, persecution or oppression.

As I said, this thread has annoyed me for these reasons - without even getting me started on the frankly ****ing terrible 'English' written in most of the posts. There seems to be a distinct and obvious link between bigotry and appalling spelling and grammar.

well funnily enough i am in the HM forces and am awaiting my date for entry. i know there are mixed ethnic groups in the forces, and there is nothing wrong with that, but they are shoutig at the people who are fighting for them to have free opinions. the grammer is bad because i am writing fast to get in all my opinions about this.

[Ch00]

There’s a lot to be said about the press these days. They don't or have never reported the true story. Everything has to be made into a drama or "big'd up" in order to look more like a problem than it really is.

Going off topic for a moment but recent examples include the biker story and the Lord who crashed after texting come to mind.

People read the papers and believe each word as if it came from the bible therefore clouding there true view on the subject

Ch00

[Geoffrey]

dammit, you're spot on, pick another "unfortunate incident" that did involve our troops
Shat al-Basra canal

[chompy]

because in their opinion the troops are complicit in the invasion and occupation of another sovereign nation based on misinformation and lies, but we know that can't be the case... the government said so...

just because you're a citizen of a particular nation, doesn't mean you have to agree with everything the leaders of that nation do

no but like one of the people said our forces are fighting to allow us to have freedom of speach, they are then using this freedom of speach to shout at the very people who are fighting for this freedom of speech

[the_lone_wolf]

no but like one of the people said our forces are fighting to allow us to have freedom of speach, they are then using this freedom of speach to shout at the very people who are fighting for this freedom of speech
then shouldn't the returning forces be proud that their actions are allowing people to freely express their opinions?

[Dan]

no but like one of the people said our forces are fighting to allow us to have freedom of speach, they are then using this freedom of speach to shout at the very people who are fighting for this freedom of speech

Can you not see the irony?

Are you sure you're in the forces for the right reason?

[chompy]

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chompy

[chompy]

Can you not see the irony?

Are you sure you're in the forces for the right reason?

i am in the forces because i want to serve my country

[Dan]

Also, both my brothers have been serving members of the forces, and many friends i have around me. Some of the forces are not allowed to wear there uniform in the street because this may offend muslim faithed people. I think its discracefull, there is a pub by the royal marines training centre who will not let the forces memebers through the doors because it may offend muslims who visit this pub. This is the same with many places around HM bases. the forces should be allowed to wear there uniforms any were without fear of being verbally abused because of the job they do.

im sorry if i offend anyone in the posts i have written, this is my opinion and we are all entitled to an opinion.

So your problem is, basically, Muslims?

Again, I would ask, are you sure you're joining the forces for the right reasons?