Operation: Test Ride Miles

[squirrel_hunter]

The idea is simple, see how many miles I can clock up on different bikes on test rides.

This all came about from being given this (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=120808) B-King for a couple of days. Really enjoyed the ride and put a few miles on it.

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But it wasn't until I got the test ride on the R1200GS below (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=126167) that the idea really came to me.

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So all I need to do is arrange a test ride, do as many miles on the bike as I can, and then do a little review; its like I'm a road test reporter. But thats not why I'm doing it, I just want to ride a load of different bikes and keep some sort of score as I do it.

There will be two rules however, firstly its test rides on new bikes only. And secondly its not to be done from the small independent dealers.

So taking the B-King (150 miles) and the R1200GS (41miles) I'm on a total of 191 miles. Let the operation commence...

[thefallenangel]

give the street triple R a spin for me?

[fatneck]

Daytona 675 is next on my hitlist!

[Tim in Belgium]

I may try this once I find a big bike dealer, could be a summer of silly fun (I fancy some Harley Davidson posing followed by some Tomos moped mayhem).

[Lucas]

Nice one, am looking forward to your real world test ride reviews :riding:

[zsv650]

test a rsv4 thatd be interesting.

[squirrel_hunter]

give the street triple R a spin for me?

Daytona 675 is next on my hitlist!


Odd you should say that...


I plan an update tomorrow.

[fatneck]

I sense a trip to the Triumph shop...!!!

[shonadoll]

Apparently Ducati are really good with giving you extended test rides.

[the_lone_wolf]

So taking the B-King (150 miles) and the R1200GS (41miles) I'm on a total of 191 miles. Let the operation commence...

more commitment needed, i did 100 miles on the 675 in the space of a few hours on the 675, i wanted to make sure i wanted one...

(ok, i actually wanted to keep riding cause it was too much fun)

[MR UKI (1)]

Apparently Ducati are really good with giving you extended test rides.

Is that because you have to wait for the breakdown truck for a while :D

[Woz]

Apparently Ducati are really good with giving you extended test rides.

A mate of mine got a 1098 for 6 hours just by hinting that he may possibly be in a position to buy a new bike in the near future.

[Girth]

I got the Triumph Street Triple R for an hour last tuesday, did about 35miles.

Got the standard Triumph Street Triple for 3 hours on tuesday, plan to clock up about 100mile +

:D

[squirrel_hunter]

Due to a broken bike, I am slightly delayed. But rest assured updates will be delivered.

[markryker]

Hmmm sounds like a plan this..:D

[squirrel_hunter]

Right with my bike vaguely working the operation can begin.

I decided to start with a Triumph, a Street Triple R to be precise. And I've got to say I really enjoyed this one. Its a cracking little bike, reminds me a lot of the SV and a definite contender. The position on the bike is excellent everything felt right with it, the bar position, the peg position, the position of the clocks even. A really well designed bike, ergonomically the only let down was the hard seat but thats not that much of a problem.

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The bike worked well as I rode through town to get out to the county side where I started to open it up. It would make an excellent commuter bike with its easy riding position and just like the SV it starts to really come alive when you get out on the open road.

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It was good fun to make the engine scream and it had a good even power delivery throughout the rev range. Its the type of bike that asks to be ridden and provides good usable power and confident handling. I think that in the right hands it will surprise a few larger bikes out on the road and when it does it doesn't make a song and dance about it, just like the SV.

The R version that I rode is slightly different to the standard Street Triple in that it comes with radial front brakes and fully adjustable suspension front and rear for only £500 above the standard, and for that money you'd be silly not to buy the R.

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The only down side from this otherwise fun bike was that I only had it for half an hour as it was already booked out for a test ride so I couldn't really clock the miles up on this one. Just a quick trip out to the Red Lion at Avebury and back a total of 16 miles.


Total Test Ride Miles: 207

[kwak zzr]

any test rides ive had have been third party only insurance :( this makes me shi# and i dont want to go far.

[thefallenangel]

time to go to bevans in cardiff and try out the street triple R. Coming soon to the for sale section . . .

[larigos]

the triumph dealer in brum offered me a tripple R for the night / weekend without really saying much to him. I dont have a garage so didn't take it as it would have gone fairly quickly - also the race cans on it were loud so unhappy neighbours.

[chompy]

this seems like good fun i have 4 years yet before i can do this :( wouldnt mind trying loads of different bikes tho, but seeing as i cant keep mine shiny side up then i dont think any shop in their right mind would let me test one :D:(

[squirrel_hunter]

So after having fun on the Street Triple I handed the keys back and got given the keys to the Daytona 675...

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I wanted to give this one a go for some time. I remember sitting on it at the NEC show when it first came out and I thought it was tiny; and it still feels that way. Its like sitting upon a 250, all be it a very tall 250. But the oddest thing about it is the position, it puts your weight right over the front wheel, I felt further forward then the nose of the bike, a very odd sensation. I also felt stretched out on the machine from the seat to the bars, but my legs were fine.

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But its not just the size of the machine that reminds me of the 250 strokers, the engine does as well. Its very buzzy and high revving and I straight away treated it as a stroker, which makes for good fun. Although the engines are essentially the same design between the 675 and the Street Triple I found as a comparison the Street Triples engine suited me better as the 675 didn't like the town work as much as the open road.

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Although I could have it for longer I decided to take it out on the same route as the Street Triple for a direct comparison. Out on the open road it really comes alive, its much like the Street Triple, a very rewarding ride with razor sharp brakes. But for a day to day bike I'd have the Street Triple due to the comfort but I can see these being very popular and I think the track day crowd will be drawn to them.

For anyone considering a 675 the only think left to say is this was the 09 model that I tested, the dealer in Swindon that I borrowed it from had brand new 08 models in stock £2000 cheaper then the 09 model. Something defiantly worth knowing.


Total Test Ride Miles: 223

[fatneck]

How does it compare to a Japanese 600cc supersports?

[squirrel_hunter]

Unfortunately I don’t know that as I’ve never properly ridden a Japanese 600, but if you hang around I’ll get a R6 or GSXR600 out and have a see. Actually that would be a good comparison. I shall add them to the list…

[STRAMASHER]

Good stuff.

When are you nipping down the Yamaha garage?

Can I request a MT01 report and even a Vmax write-up if you are feeling particularly gallus?! :mrgreen:

What have you got yourself?

[joshmac]

What have you got yourself?
I'd guess a '99 SV650S

[Jackie_Black]

I've test ridden me mates mt01. It feels like you're being almost punced in the nads by it. Lots of poke but runs out of steam fast. His has just gone back for 4 recalls. One of which is snapping the swing arm :p

[Alpinestarhero]

I'm looking to take out a couple of triumphs and a honda VFR for a reasonable amount of time in the summer

unless you get there first!

[STRAMASHER]

His has just gone back for 4 recalls. One of which is snapping the swing arm :p

That is not good, not exactly a little twee swingarm is it? I love 'em, look good sound better.

Funnily enough my last Yamaha broke its swing-arm, replaced gratis.











Ok , the bike had been put back on the road after my mate cartwheeled it into a ditch when it was 3 weeks old. So maybe a missed stress fracture!:mrgreen:

[Magnum]

Do you have a favourite so far? Im guessing the street triple...

[Jackie_Black]

I'm tempted to get a street triple R next. There is only the words from the mechanics I use putting me off.

Crap build, chocolate parts and terrible oil consumption were just a few of the things I was warned about. Shame cos they look great. I'm waiting for the japanese equivalent. An unfaired R6, ZXR, or CBR would do with lower gearing but still stupid power. No chance really though is there.

[squirrel_hunter]

Well so far it would be the Street Triple R in the lead as my favorite, but its only slightly ahead or almost level with the B-King. Having said that in a money no object question I'd buy the King. Confused? Well it makes sense to me.

As Joshmac said I have a SV650 currently, and before that I had a SV650, there's just something about them...

Forgot about the MT01, not sure if they make them still with the imminent arrival of the new VMax? That said would like to have a go on the VMax as its a direct rival to the B-King. But I have an idea of doing a different Yamaha first. As for when, I have a couple of others in the pipeline so it may be a little wait, but updates are promised.

[squirrel_hunter]

It was back to BMW to give the K1300R an outing...

Its a bit of an odd looking bike and to be honest thats what drew me to it. Its a bit quirky but beefy at the same time and in the orange color scheme that I had it in it really sets it off. Yes it uses the same Patrick Moore headlight assembly as the R1200GS but just look at those forks. Style wise all I would want to change on this one is to have the rear panels under the seat in the orange to match the rest of the body and get some decent looking indicators on it, they look straight out of the Motrax catalog.

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The bike has the same adjustable suspension that the GS has which enables you to alter the firmness on the move and the preload at a standstill simply by the touch of a button. However on this bike all three of the on the move settings of normal, sport, and comfort all felt the same; firm. I could feel a little difference between the sport and comfort but not much, a little disappointed as it promises so much as a fun bike that you could easily go touring on. But I think the firm suspension did contribute to a couple of head shakes that it gave me while accelerating over some bumps.

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One of the best things this bike has going for it is the factory fitted quick shifter. Having never ridden a bike with one before I have to say it is an odd experience but amazing once you get used to it. The best test I gave it was at a set of lights, once I got rolling I opened the throttle up and with out rolling off I just taped the gear change up when needed. And very quickly without any loss of momentum from the clutch I was doing 120mph. I want one of these on my SV.

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This bike also has something a little different on it for a BMW... a proper indicator switch. No longer do you have a switch on both bars but there is one Japanese style switch on the left. However the click that you get from a Japanese switch just wasn't on this one. Its really the only bit of BMW quality that I feel let down on. You want to feel the switch through the glove click back when you cancel the indicator to reassure you so you don't need to check the dash lights and can concentrate on the road ahead.

Overall on the back roads it is quite fun, with good handling but I was disappointed with the engine. It really just didn't feel like 1300cc if I were to guess the engine size just by riding I would have said it was 800cc. Compared to the B-Kings power this bike was nothing and that was a real shame as it has nearly everything else going for it.


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The last thing to say on this bike is more of an observation about BMW and the way they sell their bikes. They all start out with a list price and then you can add optional extras on to it and this starts to bump the price up. The sale's guy went through them with me as he did with the GS and again there were things that were 'must haves', the computer, heated grips, and most notably the quick shifter. It makes me wonder if they are 'must haves' why are they just not included as standard? To me it looks as if they are trying the car model of 'options' with bikes, and I don't like the way that is going.

As I took this out from the same dealer as I got the GS from I decided to do the same route that WalkAboutAndy gave me, so thats a further 40 miles to my tally.

Total Test Ride Miles: 263

[cuffy]

Steve, don't forget the Italian exotica garage in Brinkworth, loads of Benneli's and MV's :cool:

[Orpheus]

I Think it would definitely be fair to say you get bonus double mileage points if they are gained on a track...;)


Also, what you said about the 675 is exactly what i thought when i sat on one at the MCN show. Felt tiny, perhaps even smaller than my old RS125 felt. And felt like my head was least a foot in front of the bike. Put me off.

[dav806]

I test rode an MT01 in 2006 as there was a competition to win one, dealer wheeled it out of the showroom and fired it up and it stood there vibrating like a jack hammer, I waited for bits to fall of but they didnt:) anyway, took it straight onto the motorway and illegal speeds by the bottom of the slip road, then took it around town where it scared kids and dogs with its akropovics, then had fun accelerating/decelerating and listenning to it pop and bang whilst getting disapproving looks from the locals, then gave it back, funny though, the ride home on my 1992 CB750 was crap!!! and I had vibration white finger for days after!:rolleyes:

[squirrel_hunter]

Time to cast my mind back to 2007 and the NEC. Buell were there and were doing a low speed skills course on a XB12. So I gave it a go and thought it wasn't a bad feeling bike. Thus I waited 2 years before taking the XB12S out on the road.

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So my first impressions of it were good, I like its styling and sat on the bike outside the dealer it felt as comfortable as I remember it from the show. The dealer hands me the keys as tells me to start it. He then stood back and laughed as I couldn't find the ignition. For some reason Buell have mounted the ignition barrel on the left hand side in front of the head stock. But once started its Harley heritage showed through, the vibrations that came though the indicators wouldn't look out of place in an Ann Summers store. But thats character for you, and once out on the road the vibrations all but disappeared to just blurring the mirrors slightly.

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Being a V-Twin I just got on it and rode it like my SV, and immediately ran into the problem of it not reving very high. It made it feel completely underpowered. But that was my mistake, a quick chat with the dealer and he explained that you need to ride it differently. Basically stick it in a higher gear and ride the torque was the advice. And what a difference it made; however practice is the key, I almost stalled it trying to power out of a roundabout in to high a gear. So to make the most of the engine you would have to change your riding style but once I got used to it I found it very rewarding.

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One thing that I wondered about was how that front brake would cope. Its a single rim mounted disc, but all I can say is it worked perfectly well. Handling it was fine out on the open roads but I did feel a couple of twitches from the front in one or two of the roundabouts we hit. And that leads me to another point, I know I ride duck feeted but my toes felt very close to the ground on some of the turns. And from experience I know that once I got used to it I'll be touching my toes down all the time, and boots will become consumable items...

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This was the first test ride that I did where by the dealer came out with me. He took me on a set route and briefed me about staying behind and not doing anything silly. We stopped a couple of times to chat which broke the flow of the ride. If I were really interested in the bike I would have to take it out longer on my own to really get to know it better. Also with the dealer with me it meant that I couldn't take great photos as I needed to quickly get them in outside the dealership before he came back with the plate.

Total Test Ride Miles: 284

[squirrel_hunter]

When I started this operation I came up with a little list of bikes I wanted to try and running through them with friends I'd get nod's of agreement until I got to this one. When I suggested this bike everyone paused, this was a bike that was making it onto their list as well. So without any more hesitation, repetition, or deviation, may I present the KTM RC8:

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Doesn't it just look fantastic?

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But this isn't just about the look of the bike, its about how it behaves. And I have to say the handling was mind blowing, I've never ridden anything like it. The brakes were super strong but gave me plenty of feel, and where ever I pointed it it went, the suspension coped with everything. I now have a yard stick for the word Superbike.

Having ridden the 675 and finding it slightly uncomfortable, I was surprised to find that this was actually quite nice, it fitted me well. Sat in traffic to get out of the city it was fine on the wrists and at the end of the ride I had no aches. This amused me even more considering it doesn't actually have a seat on it (I checked with the dealer, it hadn't fallen off and its not an optional extra).

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The mirrors worked well, the dashboard display was well arranged, it really felt like it was built for riders by riders. It even has a thumb operated lap timer; how fast was todays commute? I could even ignore the fact that the exhaust was slowly cooking my right foot as the exit was just next to the peg. The bike is that good.

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But there is one thing I could not ignore or forgive, no matter how good everything else is. This bike is let down terribly by the engine. I would even stick my neck out and say it almost made it unrideable. The only way to describe it is that it felt like a fueling problem. It only has a small power band which is hard to get to on the road as it is all or nothing. Once its out and running on the open road its fine but anything other than fast and flat out the engine doesn't want to know. Now I'm not against riding a bike that needs some work to get the most out of it but this engine turned it into a full time job.

You need to rev it to 4,000 rpm to enable take off without stalling. And if you do stall it needs to be in neutral to restart it. I must have stalled it at least 3 times at lights. It even stalled once when I was down shifting letting the engine braking do some work, I was still traveling at 50mph. The vibration that the engine gives out at idle reminded me of the Buell I'd ridden. I think if KTM put an engine in it that worked the bike could be the best thing on the road.

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But that is where I think I'm going wrong: this isn't a road bike, its a track bike with a number plate. I would imagine that most of these bikes will live on the track, or in the garage, and sadly very few will see any road miles.

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However if KTM would put a road engine in the frame I would give them my credit card.


Total Test Ride Miles: 331

[Bluepete]

Ohhhhh, I hate you soooooooooooooooooo much.

No, not really, just really, really jealous.

I would sell my left nut for one of those.

Excuse me, I'm off to drool.

Pete

[fatneck]

Is that the 08 or 09? Didn't they change (improve?) it a bit for the 09?

[squirrel_hunter]

Is that the 08 or 09? Didn't they change (improve?) it a bit for the 09?

I believe it is the current model. There is another newer model the RC8R its virtually the same only with an extra 50cc and is available in black. Fowlers do have one, but when I tested this one it had only just arrived and although I made noises about riding it I wasn't going to push my luck.

[squirrel_hunter]

Steve, don't forget the Italian exotica garage in Brinkworth, loads of Benneli's and MV's :cool:

I popped over to have a look in there. If your in the market for an F4 you have the choice of two. However I won't be taking any out from there as it would break the second rule as it looks like a small one man show.

[squirrel_hunter]

I Think it would definitely be fair to say you get bonus double mileage points if they are gained on a track...;)

All I can say is plans are afoot...

[fatneck]

Ahhhh, the intrigue...!!!

[davepreston]

may i join this momentus op as a am about to start to find my next bike and dont have a clue what to get yet so intend on putting some serious mileage in

[squirrel_hunter]

To quote an old friend, I've gone Kwackers - green infact... The Kawasaki ZX10R, and I have the RC8 to measure it against.

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So lets start with the obvious, the engine. This one works on the road, and it works very well. There is still a pronounced power band outside of which an SV will out drag it, but believe me get it working well and this thing is a little on the quick side. I took it to an indicated 148mph in 5th gear, the fastest I'd ever been and at that speed it felt solid, nothing apart from the fast approaching car in front gave the game away that I was going a little quickly.

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But the gear change was odd. This sounds strange I admit but it just didn't feel right, it just didn't feel slick. The leaver didn't travel very far which coupled with a lack of clunk kept me wondering if I had missed a gear. Luckily there is a digital gear output to keep me informed. The bike also has an on board lap timer. But I couldn't work it as technology worries me.

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On to the handling now. And I've got to say I'm far from impressed. I found it uninspiring and slow, simply not as sharp as the RC8. Also and more worryingly I think it gave me some under steer in slow corners.

And its not just the handling that the RC8 trumps it on, comfort is a factor. I was surprised that the RC8 felt so nice and now I'm surprised that the ZX10 felt so uncomfortable. For me the seat was a bit on the wide side and the bar, seat, peg position left my spine feeling compressed. But the controls were good, the dash informative, and the mirrors were useful. Though I'm not sure that having the indicators built into them help the look of the bike.

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The ZX10 is also quite a bit cheaper then the RC8 and pre reg bikes are also being greatly reduced. The dealer told me he had sold somewhere like 20 of them this month alone and only had a couple left. Could have been the patter but its worth knowing...

Now the eagle eyed among us may have spotted that this is an 08 model, one of the pre reg bikes. But I am told the difference between the 08 and 09 can be summed up as nothing.

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One final piece of trivia, the bike was last demoed by the gentlemen from Fast Bikes magazine. I'm not sure when the issue will be out but basically they took it out to do laps of roundabouts for a photo shoot. And I think they enjoyed themselves as they had cooked the right hand side of the tyre, I thought it had been on the track.


Total Test Ride Miles: 357

[cuffy]

Good work Steve, so when do we get to see you on a "hardly does-a-ton" ;)...Buell doesn't count.

[fatneck]

He doesnt want to go from RC8s and ZX10s to a Hardly-Ableson !!!

If the ZX10 disappointed you, have a go on the 08/09 Fireblade...awesome.

[dawn07]

How wonderful would it be to actually get paid to test ride bikes?!
Back to the Triumph dealer please to try the Sprint ST 1050!
Never fancied KTM, but that one's a beauty!

[squirrel_hunter]

Good work Steve, so when do we get to see you on a "hardly does-a-ton" ;)...Buell doesn't count.

Booked...

[squirrel_hunter]

He doesnt want to go from RC8s and ZX10s to a Hardly-Ableson !!!


Oh he does. If it has 2 wheels and an engine I want to ride it.

[fatneck]

Can't argue with that :-)

I can't talk anyway, I took the XR1200 out for a spin - highly enjoyable, but I wouldn't want one!

[squirrel_hunter]

Kawasaki again, this time the ZZR1400. I've got to say the bike disappointed me the second I put the key in the ignition and turned it on. For its headlights didn't light up in sequence and it didn't play the theme to Close Encounters.

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Ok a bit more seriously now. The engine felt quite snatchy at first, the way it delivered the power when changing from cruise to fast there was a slight delay and a jerk. But once it gets going it does shift. However I don't think this is as powerful as the B-King, exactly the same as when I rode the K1300R. Now both of these are big powerful bikes and on paper the ZZR takes the B-King hands down on the power top trumps stake so I'm starting to think it may be me and the fact the B-King was the biggest bike I'd had to ride properly first making a hell of an impact.

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As the ZZR has plastic on it I decided I wanted to go a little quick with a target speed of 160mph+. However as I hit c.145mph a light on the dash came on and thinking it was a warning light I eased off. It was just a shift up light but it broke my momentum so I'm going to have to wait a little longer to break the 150mph mark. But I wonder why you need this, surely you would just use the rev counter or want a staged light indicator, quite distracting. But on the subject of the dash the ZZR had something I've not seen before, a MPG counter. When I started the ride it was showing 48mpg, when I handed it back it read 41mpg. Now I've no idea if thats good or bad, but I think my top speed attempt may have something to do with it.

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So onto the riding position, and how the bike feels. While it looks a big bike stood next to it when you're on it is no bigger than anything else and it didn't slow down my filtering. While I felt a little stretched to the bars I found it very easy and natural to ride. I completely forgot that I was on a test bike I felt that at home.

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So one final anecdote to add... I finished the test ride as the dealer is just sorting a customer out who's just bought a ZZR. So I go inside and browse the second hand bikes. As I do this I notice a white Volvo pull into the car park. Nothing unusual about that you might think apart from the fact this Volvo had blue lights on the top and the word 'Police' written across the bonnet.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/14042009208.jpg

The two officers get out and wonder into the showroom they have a quick look around and one approaches me, "You been on a test ride?" he asks.
"Yeah" I reply.
"1100?" says the officer as I notice the tazer he has holstered.
"Na" says I, "A 1400".
"That silver one out there?", I'm starting to wonder where this is going as he points to the bike I just parked up.
"Yeah" I calmly reply, trying to hide the slight look of worry that I know is on my face.
"You were going a bit fast" he says, as the bottom drops out of my world. And lets face facts something else dropped out of my bottom. "How fast do you think you were going?" he asks.

Now your in my position, what would you do? Run? Deny all knowledge? Say 31mph? No. Not me.
"160" I say.

"That speedo's over reading" the officer replies, "we only clocked you at 140"

Sh!t.
But quick as a flash I ask "What, just now on the bypass?"
"Yep" came his reply.

"Feck off" I say "I wasn't down there just now".
"I know" laughs the officer.

You see unknown to me both officers ride Kawasaki's they bought from this dealer. They were just coming in on their lunch for a browse. As they turn up the dealer tells them to wind that guy up as hes just come back from a test ride. Hands up they got me, and its was a hell of a laugh. But I do need a new pair of pants now.


Total Test Ride Miles: 405

[cuffy]

That's priceless mate, would've loved to have seen your face.
Top work on the test riding too ;)

[TheRamJam]

Kawasaki again, this time the ZZR1400. I've got to say the bike disappointed me the second I put the key in the ignition and turned it on. For its headlights didn't light up in sequence and it didn't play the theme to Close Encounters.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/14042009209.jpg

Ok a bit more seriously now. The engine felt quite snatchy at first, the way it delivered the power when changing from cruise to fast there was a slight delay and a jerk. But once it gets going it does shift. However I don't think this is as powerful as the B-King, exactly the same as when I rode the K1300R. Now both of these are big powerful bikes and on paper the ZZR takes the B-King hands down on the power top trumps stake so I'm starting to think it may be me and the fact the B-King was the biggest bike I'd had to ride properly first making a hell of an impact.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/14042009211.jpg

As the ZZR has plastic on it I decided I wanted to go a little quick with a target speed of 160mph+. However as I hit c.145mph a light on the dash came on and thinking it was a warning light I eased off. It was just a shift up light but it broke my momentum so I'm going to have to wait a little longer to break the 150mph mark. But I wonder why you need this, surely you would just use the rev counter or want a staged light indicator, quite distracting. But on the subject of the dash the ZZR had something I've not seen before, a MPG counter. When I started the ride it was showing 48mpg, when I handed it back it read 41mpg. Now I've no idea if thats good or bad, but I think my top speed attempt may have something to do with it.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/14042009210.jpg

So onto the riding position, and how the bike feels. While it looks a big bike stood next to it when you're on it is no bigger than anything else and it didn't slow down my filtering. While I felt a little stretched to the bars I found it very easy and natural to ride. I completely forgot that I was on a test bike I felt that at home.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/14042009207.jpg

So one final anecdote to add... I finished the test ride as the dealer is just sorting a customer out who's just bought a ZZR. So I go inside and browse the second hand bikes. As I do this I notice a white Volvo pull into the car park. Nothing unusual about that you might think apart from the fact this Volvo had blue lights on the top and the word 'Police' written across the bonnet.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/14042009208.jpg

The two officers get out and wonder into the showroom they have a quick look around and one approaches me, "You been on a test ride?" he asks.
"Yeah" I reply.
"1100?" says the officer as I notice the tazer he has holstered.
"Na" says I, "A 1400".
"That silver one out there?", I'm starting to wonder where this is going as he points to the bike I just parked up.
"Yeah" I calmly reply, trying to hide the slight look of worry that I know is on my face.
"You were going a bit fast" he says, as the bottom drops out of my world. And lets face facts something else dropped out of my bottom. "How fast do you think you were going?" he asks.

Now your in my position, what would you do? Run? Deny all knowledge? Say 31mph? No. Not me.
"160" I say.

"That speedo's over reading" the officer replies, "we only clocked you at 140"

Sh!t.
But quick as a flash I ask "What, just now on the bypass?"
"Yep" came his reply.

"Feck off" I say "I wasn't down there just now".
"I know" laughs the officer.

You see unknown to me both officers ride Kawasaki's they bought from this dealer. They were just coming in on their lunch for a browse. As they turn up the dealer tells them to wind that guy up as hes just come back from a test ride. Hands up they got me, and its was a hell of a laugh. But I do need a new pair of pants now.


Total Test Ride Miles: 405

Well in mate

Am totally laughing at the screen right now. They got you a peach so good it should have been on telly :cool:

[KeithCRM]

Can't argue with that :-)

I can't talk anyway, I took the XR1200 out for a spin - highly enjoyable, but I wouldn't want one!

Did the same Sat just gone. Nice bike, just couldn't get it to corner 'properly'. Sounded awesome with straight through pipes though :)

[joshmac]

Haha, brilliant! They should've got your reaction on tape :p


Oh he does. If it has 2 wheels and an engine I want to ride it.
Really?
http://50cc-scooters.co.uk/50cc-scooter-images/pink-scooter.jpg
So when you gonna test this out :lol: :smt061

[lukemillar]

Hey Squirrel,

Can you edit the first post with a table of Bike make and model/ year/ days had it for/ miles covered/ bullet point summary of review.

The thread is getting quite long now and it would be sweet to have a summary to refer to on the first post :D

Thanks
Luke

[dav806]

Hi Squirrel

I've just listened to the new R1 on You Tube, wow that sounds great (Sad, Yes that's me!) If you get chance test one and let us know what you thought. The Kawasaki with the coppers bit was great, new pants, I'd a needed new bowels!

[Tim in Belgium]

Just had a coffee/screen interface problem reading the above, quality.

[Lucas]

I always felt odd standing in Soho next to my black SV, with this baby I’ll blend in nicely :rolleyes:

Haha, brilliant! They should've got your reaction on tape :p



Really?
http://50cc-scooters.co.uk/50cc-scooter-images/pink-scooter.jpg
So when you gonna test this out :lol: :smt061

[Zombie Jesus]

Sh!t.

aahahha. owned.

[muffles]

Haha, brilliant! They should've got your reaction on tape :p



Really?
http://50cc-scooters.co.uk/50cc-scooter-images/pink-scooter.jpg
So when you gonna test this out :lol: :smt061

Look Josh, why would he want to test ride your bike? :riding: :smt028

[joshmac]

Look Josh, why would he want to test ride your bike? :riding: :smt028
'Cause it's still faster than Law's. A test ride would confirm this. :razz:

Back on topic! :rolleyes: lol

[squirrel_hunter]

http://50cc-scooters.co.uk/50cc-scooter-images/pink-scooter.jpg
So when you gonna test this out :lol: :smt061

Josh, if you can find somewhere that will let me demo one I will happily ride it. Seriously. I have had a little look for a place that has something like that, the problem is scooters like that are mainly bought before people have license's so they're not really available as test bikes. But I will continue searching...

[squirrel_hunter]

Hey Squirrel,

Can you edit the first post with a table of Bike make and model/ year/ days had it for/ miles covered/ bullet point summary of review.

The thread is getting quite long now and it would be sweet to have a summary to refer to on the first post :D

Thanks
Luke

Luke, if I do something like that I'm going to have to go back through and add everything up!

I'll see, but it won't be just yet.

[squirrel_hunter]

Hi Squirrel

I've just listened to the new R1 on You Tube, wow that sounds great (Sad, Yes that's me!) If you get chance test one and let us know what you thought.

Ah, the new R1. So far this is the only bike I've been turned down on, but I have an idea what the reason was.

I now know of another place that has one, the problem being is I want to try some of their other machines more and asking for a R1 along with others may not work. But we shall have to see as there are a few dealers further afield that I haven't started with yet.

[muffles]

'Cause it's still faster than Law's. A test ride would confirm this. :razz:

Back on topic! :rolleyes: lol

:p :p

Topic? ;) :smt028

[joshmac]

:p :p

Topic? ;) :smt028
Yeah I can't really pull that one off can I :lol:
:stupid:;)

[muffles]

Yeah I can't really pull that one off can I :lol:
:stupid:;)

Nope :p

[joshmac]

Nope :p
Rhetorical question (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urjfOjGWgXo) Muffles! :smt021

;)

[muffles]

Rhetorical question (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urjfOjGWgXo) Muffles! :smt021

;)

Only rhetorical cos you/we know the answer, not cos you didn't want an answer ;)

:smt028

[lukemillar]

[bollox]

Take it to the Megathread! :bball:

[Stu]

test a rsv4 thatd be interesting.
Motoselect in Farnham have them available for test rides this weekend

[Jamiebridges123]

Take it to the Megathread! :bball:

Haha :thumbsup:

[squirrel_hunter]

test a rsv4 thatd be interesting.
Motoselect in Farnham have them available for test rides this weekend

Thanks for that Stu, but I can only see them listed as a Honda dealer?

[rob13]

Squirrel, one of the finest informative threads on this site for some time. Keep it up (and give me some tips on getting tests). Great story about your meeting with the boys, see if you could jump on a Kwaka Versys and tell me what you think in comparison with some of the others you've been on. Im hankering after a sportsbike (not for a riding position, purely due to asthetics) but I need to be put off if possible.

[dizzyblonde]

I read this thread last night, a lot of it out loud to Im Indoors. A very interesting, and entertaining thread, I look forward to the next instalment. Is it just brand new bikes your 'testing'?
I'd be interested to read how a Triumph Rocket behaved...rather than reading it in a mag, as they are always biased. Not that I like the tractor type vehicle, I'm seriously interested in how they go..its a bit too beefy for me, the seats the size of a cow last time i sat on one!

[Stu]

Thanks for that Stu, but I can only see them listed as a Honda dealer?
Now I can't find where I saw that info at all? Maybe I dreamt it? :???: sorry I'll keep searching

[ThEGr33k]

Try an RSV... See how an old Litre twin compares? :)

[yorkie_chris]

Nice thread.

What's next?

[gettin2dizzy]

Good stuff.

Some I'd like to test ride:
Triumph Rocket III
Yamaha MT01
Ducati Hypermotard
KTM Adventure 990
Buell XB12S

[rob13]

For me, I'd like to test:
Gsxr 750
CBR 600 RR
Street Triple
Ducati 848
KTM 990 SM
Tiger 1050

[Mej]

For me, I'd like to test:
Gsxr 750
CBR 600 RR
Street Triple R
Ducati 848
Ducati Hypomotard
KTM 990 SMR & T
KTM Superduke
Harley Softail
Triumph D675
Triumph ST 1050
Triumph Rocket III
Aprilla RSV Mile
Aprilla RSV4
SV1000
Honda Firestrom
Honda SP2
Yamaha YZR R6

I could go on for ever!!!!!

[squirrel_hunter]

I read this thread last night, a lot of it out loud to Im Indoors. A very interesting, and entertaining thread, I look forward to the next instalment. Is it just brand new bikes your 'testing'?
I'd be interested to read how a Triumph Rocket behaved...rather than reading it in a mag, as they are always biased. Not that I like the tractor type vehicle, I'm seriously interested in how they go..its a bit too beefy for me, the seats the size of a cow last time i sat on one!

Dizzy, yes its just new bikes as they will be good to go. Second hand bikes are often not ready so easily for test. But I'm not bothered if they are last years model so long as they are available to buy new.

As for the Rocket, this is something that I have thought of riding, but cruiser type bikes will be harder for me to arrange. However I do have an idea so watch this space...

[squirrel_hunter]

Now I can't find where I saw that info at all? Maybe I dreamt it? :???: sorry I'll keep searching

No worries. I know somewhere that should have one... But I feel I will be visiting that Honda dealer soon, so thanks for that.

[squirrel_hunter]

Thanks to every one for the comments, I've not got a list my self anymore, I just turn up and ride something.

So as for whats next who knows!

[simesb]

So as for whats next who knows!

What about a Gladioli? :cool:

[squirrel_hunter]

I spent most of today at the Heart Of England Bike Show lurking in the rideout area looking for demonstration bikes to test ride. Luckily I found one or two seats. So let me begin the day with a Suzuki GSXR1000.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009265.jpg

However the first thing to say is how the demonstration rides were organized. Unfortunately I wasn't just handed the keys and let loose, all rides were accompanied by nice men with fluorescent bikes that had blue lights on them. Yes the Police were running the rideouts as part of Warwickshire BikeSafe. Initially I wasn't all that pleased with this but as the day went on I relaxed more and found their feedback very constructive as I haven't had my riding assessed since my IAM test back in 2003.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009267.jpg

So the GSXR, overall its a rather nice bike a little cramped but not by much and despite the firm suspension that I expected it was a comfortable ride. I did find that I couldn't use the front brake properly at the beginning as for some reason I couldn't grip it very well, a quick change of gloves improved but did not solve this. Very odd but I didn't have time to play with the span adjuster which I think may have solved the problem.

The acceleration was good throughout the gears but I couldn't really test it due to the bike behind. I hardly used any of the bikes potential due to the rideout conditions which does bring me to wonder why you would need something like this if you were to ride within the letter of the law on the road.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009264.jpg

Unfortunately I don't have that much to add on this one as like I said above the Police did hold me back, so I would like to try this bike out again on my own so I can compare it to some of the other Superbikes I have ridden.


Total Test Ride Miles: 421

[squirrel_hunter]

So next I had booked a Ducati 848, but it wasn't back yet. So to save waiting around we moved on to the next bike I had booked the Ducati Streetfighter.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009270.jpg

Sat on the bike you're very tall and forward, it felt a little bit like the position you get on the 675 Daytona but not as extreme. Have to say I didn't like that position on the 675 and I didn't like it on the Streetfighter. Also on the subject of position my right foot kept slipping of the peg slightly it was almost as if it had been greased, very odd.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009269.jpg

I liked the mirrors as they were easy to adjust, stayed in the correct position, looked good provided an excellent view of the machine following me. The dash and controls were all very good, however I don't know why it needs to scroll the name of the bike across the dash each time you switch it on.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009268.jpg

Out on the road I found the handling twitchy particularly at slow speed. Coupled with an engine that was very on off though good once it got going I really didn't feel comfortable on the bike. Overall this bike promised so much but delivered so little I felt disappointed at the end of the ride.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009271.jpg

The officer observing my ride also commented that I didn't look comfortable on the bike, I just couldn't get any rhythm to the ride. But it probably didn't help that about 3 miles in just as we get out on to the NSL I had my first bird strike. A Starling flew out of the bushes on my nearside and struck my shoulder at 60mph. I found this a little off putting, I dread to think what the Starling made of it.


Total Test Ride Miles: 434

[squirrel_hunter]

After I returned with the Streetfighter I was hoping to jump on the 848, but it was still not back and Ducati were starting to worry. So I had a chat with my Police observer and explained what I was doing. His response was "Right lets get you some miles". A quick look around and we got the keys to a Triumph Speed Triple, we didn't even bother signing it out from the dealer.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009282.jpg

It was commented that I looked much more comfortable on this then the Streetfighter I just stepped off, and it was true I immediately felt at home on the bike. I was also pleased that my observer was being a little more lenient as I can say it needs a bit more of a screen at 80mph.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009285.jpg

As can been seen in the photos there is only one tiny mirror on this bike, the size wasn't a problem at all as this surprised me however I would like a second. And looking at Triumphs website I think this is an extra on the bike. Does look good though. The other thing I would like is for the bars to be a little further back and a tad lower just to make things more comfortable, but generally speaking it felt a very good bike.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009284.jpg

Compared to the Street Triple, the Speed has slightly softer suspension but sacrificed none of the ride quality, it has comparable brakes both were good and the handling was just as confident. Overall the only real difference between the bikes is the engine, the Street screams, the Speed doesn't. However I felt that the Speed lacked just a little grunt, just that little bit more power is what it needed.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009283.jpg

So which is better the Street or the Speed? This is a very hard question, I really enjoyed the Street and I really enjoyed the Speed. The Speed was more comfortable, the Street more rewarding. Maybe if they gave the Speed that little bit more power or put the Street engine in that chassis then Triumph might have a sale.


Total Test Ride Miles: 466

[Tim in Belgium]

Some more great write ups :)

[ThEGr33k]

I dont get what your saying about the speed triple. You say it doesnt have enough power? Surly that cant be right, must be 115-120bhp at the wheel, about 20-25bhp more than the street triple!?

A little confusing. Unless it didnt feel as good because of the stronger bottom and mid range? :confused:

[squirrel_hunter]

So back from the Speed Triple I was hoping to get back out on the 848 which finally turned up. Unfortunately it went straight back out as there were lots of people wanting it. Apparently the delay was caused by a certain Policeman getting lost, oh dear. But I'd missed my chance on the 848, so I had a chat with the man from Ducati and he say "Yes" to me taking the Monster 696 out.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009274.jpg

First off this bike has a lower seat then anything else I ridden today, and that caught me out, so much so I almost fell of it as I attempted to mount. But I liked it, as it was a good comfortable position. Also on position the pegs are possibly a little low for me as I did drag my boots in a couple of bends.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009275.jpg

I know I said that the mirrors on the Streetfighter were good and the Monster has the same ones so I cannot then explain why I couldn't setup the right hand mirror on this Monster. Odd.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009272.jpg

The clutch on this bike I also found was odd. It was very light but it also acted like an on off switch and would only disengage right at the end of travel so I couldn't slip the clutch on take off. Out on the road it wasn't an issue but made itself apparent at slow speed. Its a hydraulic clutch so its not a stretched cable, and its not the span adjuster, I do think though it is a setup issue.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009273.jpg

The engine in this bike gives out a lovely rasp in its powerband even with standard exhausts on it, would love to hear it with something a little more free flowing. But I do have to say the engine was lacking, it just didn't feel powerful enough. Overall its a nice bike, but just needs more power, funnily enough Ducati makes an 1100 version of the Monster. I feel a comparison coming up...


Total Test Ride Miles: 489

[squirrel_hunter]

I dont get what your saying about the speed triple. You say it doesnt have enough power? Surly that cant be right, must be 115-120bhp at the wheel, about 20-25bhp more than the street triple!?

A little confusing. Unless it didnt feel as good because of the stronger bottom and mid range? :confused:

Lacking power is the best I thought of describing it, but its not exactly that, its more with the delivery. With the Street because its a smaller buzzy engine you can feel it working, the Speed just doesn't show its working. I would want maybe more torque from the Speed, something to know what the engine is giving you.

[gettin2dizzy]

Lacking power is the best I thought of describing it, but its not exactly that, its more with the delivery. With the Street because its a smaller buzzy engine you can feel it working, the Speed just doesn't show its working. I would want maybe more torque from the Speed, something to know what the engine is giving you.
It took me a while to learn about the engine too. I reckon even after 1000 miles I didn't get it. But once you do!... :smt067It's bonkers!
It's not about keeping it in a powerband. Just snap the throttle on!

[squirrel_hunter]

Well after riding a GSXR1000, a Streetfighter, a Speed Triple, a Monster 696, the day was drawing to a close. But there was still time for one more, the question is what bike, how do you top a list like that? Well its a simple and obvious choice... The Royal Enfield Bullet Classic 500.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009276.jpg

Well where to begin, never ridden anything like this before so I approached it with an open mind. After a few odd looks from the public and the photo op with the Policeman who would be coming out with me (he even took some more pics when we were out) we set off. I think that he enjoyed it as much as me, I did offer to swap bikes with him. He declined, but did think about it for a second.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009277.jpg

The first thing you notice is the vibration at higher revs its like sitting on a pneumatic drill. But no matter how many revs you give it or how wide you open the throttle there is one thing that never happens, the power never kicks in. I took it up to about 65mph with a run up but I'm sure it had a little more, just a shame I didn't get the chance to try for it. And the lack of power is not just confined to the engine, the brakes are distinctly lacking also.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009278.jpg

The handling started quite normally, you turn it to the corner and thats where the bike starts to go. Then it doesn't, the steering goes heavy and you start to drift wide. All of this the engine, the brakes, and the handling caught me out when I over took a car into a bend then found I was too fast and drifting wide. I think the old lady that I passed must have though I was a hooligan on one of those modern sports bikes.

But these types of bikes are not about going fast or racing, its just that I can't help myself. They are for a gentle bimble in the countryside, and thats where the character of the machine with its relaxed position comes in. I'm starting to think I need an original one.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009279.jpg

But apart from all that I think they still need a little work to get away from the stereotypes of old. The ignition key was bent but still worked, the indicator switch didn't like left, and there were more than one false gears in the box, including top. At one point I think I stalled the engine shifting down as all vibration disappeared. But it came back to life as I shifted down another cog.

http://i153.photobucket.com/albums/s216/squirrel_hunters_photos/Test%20Ride%20Miles/09052009280.jpg

Unfortunately the ride was cut short as it ran out of fuel going up hill. All the petrol went to the back of the tank and starved the feed triggering a horrendous squeal. I really thought I'd broken it. But it restarted, we turned round and headed for a garage. I really enjoyed this one and had a great day out, one final thing to add is thanks to Warwickshire finest, and for me to give them a little plug for their BikeSafe (http://www.bikesafe.co.uk/).


Total Test Ride Miles: 502

[captainsmelly]

Fascinating thread squirrel hunter, it's really interesting to get a comparison of such a wide range of machines. Are youplanning to buy your favorite at the end or is this purely research/fun?

[squirrel_hunter]

Just doing it for fun...

[rossinio]

Are the dealers not a bit ****ed that you arent planning to buy the bike in the end? I guess you dont mention it but would be interesting to know their reaction :)

[petevtwin650]

Are the dealers not a bit ****ed that you arent planning to buy the bike in the end? I guess you dont mention it but would be interesting to know their reaction :)

Well, for the dealers it makes them look like they are trying to sell bikes and there is always the chance that you might actually fall for one of the demos. Secret to that is to leave your credit cards at home ,but for the Duke demo rides at Gaydon you had to let them swipe your card to allow for the £1,000 accident damage excess.