Can they tell it's not restricted?

[noob-saibot]

In England if your under 21 then you have to be restricted to 33bhp for 2 years but if your over 21 you can ride any thing.

Woah, woah, hang on a sec there...im sorry, but WTF is all the fuss about so??

If yer under 21 there's no way you should be allowed on anything over 33bhp. 21 like, come on! And no im not some aul fart, im 26...

Try living over here lads....and then see how 'backward' your country is as someone put it a few pages back...

[Frank]

Woah, woah, hang on a sec there...im sorry, but WTF is all the fuss about so??

If yer under 21 there's no way you should be allowed on anything over 33bhp. 21 like, come on! And no im not some aul fart, im 26...

Try living over here lads....and then see how 'backward' your country is as someone put it a few pages back...
so are you saying that you would like to have our regulations.
Just spoke to family in Germany and have been told that you have to stick to a restriction untill you are 25

[Luckypants]

In England if your under 21 then you have to be restricted to 33bhp for 2 years but if your over 21 you can ride any thing.



This is the United Kingdom not England! :smt079 England is a relatively small part of the UK.
If you are over 21 AND pass a Direct Access test (DAS) then you can ride anything. If you pass a standard test, you are still restricted to 33bhp for two years.
Under age 21 you cannot do Direct Access so by definition you HAVE to be restricted to 33 bhp for two years.
If you pass your test at 17, do two years restricted, then you can ride anything at 19.

[peterco]

What way have you guys got it over there?? Here in Ireland you pass your test and your then resticted to 33bhp for two years from the issue date of full license, whether your 21 or 57...
Same?


The law is the same in the UK.
If you take a test on a 125cc bike capable of 62mph and pass you are then restricted to 33bhp for 2 years from the date of pass regardless of age.

If over 21 you may take a Direct Access Route (DAS)
Direct access is a scheme which allows a person over the age of 21 to avoid the two year/25 kW restriction by taking a test on a machine of at least 35 kW (46.6 bhp). A pass allows you to ride any size of bike. Any instruction given on a machine that exceeds the normal learner motorcycle specification must be supervised at all times by a certified motorcycle instructor who should be in radio contact. You should also wear fluorescent or reflective clothing and follow all other provisional licence restrictions.

Accelerated access

Riders who reach the age of 21, while still within the two year period where they are restricted to maximum 25 kW (33 bhp) machines, but who wish to ride larger bikes need to pass a further test on a motorcycle of at least 35 kW (46.6 bhp). They may practise on bikes over 25 kW (33 bhp) under the same practice conditions for direct access riders. You will revert to learner status while practising (on a motorcycle greater than 25 kW (33 bhp)) although test failure will not affect your existing licence


pete

[arenalife]

In the US you can just go buy a busa at 16 (14 in Alabama!) with a rubberstamp licence and no insurance and ride it home from the dealers without a helmet on. That's freedom of responsibility for you. You could have a gun under the seat legally too in many states, Hein Gericke probably do a special holder for it.

[SoulKiss]

Honestly I don't really care what i sound like. I'm not going to accept the point of view from some one that didn't have to endure 33bhp. Some one that wasn't victimized when it comes to what they can ride because of their age and not having a single way around it with out breaking the law.

Dont like it?

Then dont whine like a baby (which shows a level of maturity which re-inforces the fact that restricted is just right for you)

Instead, write letters to your MP, to anyone that actually has a say in this law and ask for it to be changed.

[noob-saibot]

The law is the same in the UK.
If you take a test on a 125cc bike capable of 62mph and pass you are then restricted to 33bhp for 2 years from the date of pass regardless of age.

If over 21 you may take a Direct Access Route (DAS)
Direct access is a scheme which allows a person over the age of 21 to avoid the two year/25 kW restriction by taking a test on a machine of at least 35 kW (46.6 bhp). A pass allows you to ride any size of bike.

Aha, there's the catch and the difference! See we dont have DAS. So whether your 21 or 57 you must do 2 years 33bhp restriction after passing your full licence. Oh, yeah, you can do gold star advanced rider training blahdeeblah whatnots, but all these do is reduce your insurance premium..

[arenalife]

I hear all the roads are crap in Ireland and you all need to ride Transalps so it can't be that bad can it? :)

[Ed]

In the case of an A2 licenced biker on a >33bhp machine having an at-fault claim against him by a 3rd party.

Not restricting it is just the first step in that. Am I being pedantic?

edit [this post directed at eds post #63]

Nope not quite Chris.

The MIB is for uninsured or untraced drivers.

If you were insured and the insurer subsequently avoids the policy because of some breach - eg, no restrictors fitted - then the insurer reamins liable but as statutory insurer only - the RTA preserves the liability for the third party. So the insurer has to pay. But in avoiding the policy, what it really means is that the insurer cancels your indemnity and so they can come after you for whatever they pay out.

[noob-saibot]

I hear all the roads are crap in Ireland and you all need to ride Transalps so it can't be that bad can it? :)

Translaps....haha we had the celtic tiger, its all bmw's over here. And they all have to keep them now coz ya cant give bikes away in this climate...haha..

Yep, crap roads. You wouldnt believe how crap sometimes...honestly!

[joshmac]

SV400ROB proves that you can have maturity at a young age. But I suspect he's an exception and not the rule.
Awesome, another feckin' stereotype about young people :rolleyes:


I'm gonna' add my thoughts on what has (as always in these threads) turned into carnage :lol:

BanditPat.. learn to ride your bike properly and use the power you've got. Any monkey can go down the motorway with the throttle pinned. Where's the skill in that? :rolleyes:
Obviously on motorways the restriction's a bit of a pain once you get over 85ish. Simple solution: Don't ride down the motorway trying to do a top speed run every time. Find some decent roads (twisty ones, lots of bends) and have some fun. There's plently of power in the twisties to put a grin on your face.
If traffic light GPs are your thing, a restricted SV will still beat most cars off the line

As for not being able to keep up on rideouts with 33bhp.. Biggest loada bullsh!t. I'm restricted and I've never had problems keeping up (oo, er), but then again the rideouts I go on don't really involve motorways.

As for the OP, it's your money, your license and your freedom. I'm not going to preach at you, 'cause it really pi55es me off when people do the same to me. De-restrict it if you want, but don't complain if you get caught. Chances are you'll be fine unless you're riding like a t!t :D

[Frank]

Awesome, another feckin' stereotype about young people :rolleyes:


I'm gonna' add my thoughts on what has (as always in these threads) turned into carnage :lol:

BanditPat.. learn to ride your bike properly and use the power you've got. Any monkey can go down the motorway with the throttle pinned. Where's the skill in that? :rolleyes:
Obviously on motorways the restriction's a bit of a pain once you get over 85ish. Simple solution: Don't ride down the motorway trying to do a top speed run every time. Find some decent roads (twisty ones, lots of bends) and have some fun. There's plently of power in the twisties to put a grin on your face.
If traffic light GPs are your thing, a restricted SV will still beat most cars off the line

As for not being able to keep up on rideouts with 33bhp.. Biggest loada bullsh!t. I'm restricted and I've never had problems keeping up (oo, er), but then again the rideouts I go on don't really involve motorways.

As for the OP, it's your money, your license and your freedom. I'm not going to preach at you, 'cause it really pi55es me off when people do the same to me. De-restrict it if you want, but don't complain if you get caught. Chances are you'll be fine unless you're riding like a t!t :D
an inteligent and sensible young man.....

[Magnum]

I think the 33bhp is a good idea. Just look at the statistics. I cant remember the exact figures, but you can look them up. Older riders (usually 30+) are involved in a load more serious accidents than people under 21. They are the ones that do the DAS and jump on supersports. I can only imagine the statistics being very different if under 21's were allowed to do the same.
I dont think two years is all that long, and if you love bikes then this is what you have to accept when going for the test. Its either that or wait four years to do the unrestricted test.

[Swin]

I dont think two years is all that long, and if you love bikes then this is what you have to accept when going for the test. Its either that or wait four years to do the unrestricted test.

Seconded - good point.

I passed years ago, went from my 125 to a GS450 which I had for a year or so, various MZ 250s and then onto a GPZ600R, so my first 2 or 3 "big" bikes after passing my tests would have probably been under 33bhp anyway, if you're into bike riding for the long term, the 2 years could be viewed as an opportunity to develop skills that are going to last you the rest of your life I guess

[timwilky]

Let anarchy prevail, lets all ignore laws we don't like.

Problem is that as soon as somebody breaking a law with impunity hurts our nearest/dearest etc. Society will start demanding strong tougher laws with severer sanction for those that transgress.

[joshmac]

Yeah good point Magnum. I agree it develops certain skills like cornering, 'cause you don't have as much straight line speed.
Although I think 2 years is too long IMO. 6 months and then a review would be good, or even a year. They wouldn't be able to do it on mileage, as there'd be no way to prove it was you riding it or that you haven't just run it on a dyno for a while (sure that'd take a while, but still :lol:)
Then again, with the 2 years, there's nothing to stop you doing your test, waiting 2 years and then jumping on a SS machine if you've got the money. Although I wouldn't see the point in doing that.

[shonadoll]

I couldn't care less about whether the restricted licence is fair or ageist or whatever. The point is that a licence is a privilege you earn by respecting the traffic laws while demonstrating machine control, AKA the bike test. You knew when you entered into this what the rules were, so moaning it's not fair now seems pretty pointless.

What I do have a major problem with is folks driving / riding without insurance. By not riding in accordance with your licence this is EXACTLY what you are doing. Whether you were being an idiot or not, if you cause an accident you just ruin someone's day, week, year or even their life and you won't have the means to try to put things right.

So don't ride without insurance. Ever.


Amen

[SoulKiss]

Let anarchy prevail, lets all ignore laws we don't like.

Problem is that as soon as somebody breaking a law with impunity hurts our nearest/dearest etc. Society will start demanding strong tougher laws with severer sanction for those that transgress.

Thats the reason why I get so upset over cyclists running red lights etc.

Seems that one tried it this morning near my house and took out two motorbikes..........

[Swin]

I hate cyclists who jump red lights too, especially the ones who edge out into a junction trying to nip thru traffic going across the junction, my mate dropped his fireblade because one of the lycra brigade pulled this stunt

[Owenski]

I can remember the feeling of having a car parked on my drive but not been allowed to drive it just days before my test. I think I can hazard a guess at what your feeling, you really cant wait to get out on it. But be sensible the restrictions and everything are in place because of facts and figures produced from the government learning their lesson. Young riders (myself included) do take some risks on the road that maybe a rider with experiance wouldnt take. With no experiance and without proper training riding a full power machine isnt just wreckless its idiotic. Your mum is on the money mate. Leave it locked up for 4 days (I mean come on 4 days??? I've had longer dumps than that!) Then you can go out totally covered and there's no better feeling than when jolly old bobby pulls you over for *random* spot check and your totally legit. Even if they cant see somethings up with the bike you'll give it away in how you act.

[Swin]

Leave it locked up for 4 days (I mean come on 4 days??? I've had longer dumps than that!)

A 4 day dump? Jaysus! Dysentry or what?

Good points tho, and by the time we've all finished convincing him to wait the 4 days, the 4 days will be up!

[Owenski]

*dump time may have been exagerated for dramatic effect*

loll
:smt047

[Sally]

Yeah good point Magnum. I agree it develops certain skills like cornering, 'cause you don't have as much straight line speed.
Although I think 2 years is too long IMO. 6 months and then a review would be good, or even a year. They wouldn't be able to do it on mileage, as there'd be no way to prove it was you riding it or that you haven't just run it on a dyno for a while (sure that'd take a while, but still :lol:)
Then again, with the 2 years, there's nothing to stop you doing your test, waiting 2 years and then jumping on a SS machine if you've got the money. Although I wouldn't see the point in doing that.

I feel two years is too much also, but i cant really do anything about it..
I also agree that it should be our right to choose, but again, we cant do fu(k all about it.
(As my dad locked my full power ECU in his safe :()
Theres no fun in pinning it and going flat out in a straight line..
Find some twisties with lots of bends, away from the hot spot straights, and A roads, get on some nice B roads/country roads with lots of bends..
There no need for 33< on the twisties..

[Holdup]

This is the United Kingdom not England! :smt079 England is a relatively small part of the UK.
If you are over 21 AND pass a Direct Access test (DAS) then you can ride anything. If you pass a standard test, you are still restricted to 33bhp for two years.
Under age 21 you cannot do Direct Access so by definition you HAVE to be restricted to 33 bhp for two years.
If you pass your test at 17, do two years restricted, then you can ride anything at 19.


Thanks for correcting my mistake! and thats the news i wanted to hear as well, althou i doubt at 19 ill get insured on a 1000cc bike for a reasonable amount heh :(

[plowsie]

Ahh the good old restriction thread...

Do as you wish, take the brunt of **** (be it from Police or this place or anyone else) if you admit it or get caught.

[Sally]

Yes, there has been a few threads like this, always people flaming the guy who wants to derestrict..
Probily identical to the others..
His own choice, if he gets caught, its his balls on the line, if not, no problem..
I just wouldnt be announcing it on a public forum..

[AndyW]

One of the reasons for older (read more mature) people being able to ride bigger bikes is that we have done and seen more than young whippersnappers.

When friends have been killed riding bikes you learn very quickly you aren't immortal. A schoolpal of mine decapitated himself at 16 on a scooter in a pub car park. Opened throttle too much, bike shot off between 2 bollards with a chain. He was still on it.
Friend of a friend took a turn too wide on a country lane and went into a 6' deep ditch . Driving home one day saw went past a smashed up bike and a red smear on the road. I know of at least another 6 dead bikers.

Seeing that sort of thing doesn't force you to ride more sensibly, but does make you aware of what happens if you fluff up. 90 odd percent of youngsters won't have seen anything like that, and believe it can't happen to them anyway. The older you get the more you realise it can.

[yorkie_chris]

Woah, woah, hang on a sec there...im sorry, but WTF is all the fuss about so??

If yer under 21 there's no way you should be allowed on anything over 33bhp. 21 like, come on!

I disagree. Many people are capable of riding rapid machinery with skill and restraint. Many aren't. It's most definately about experience and mindset rather than age.

Dont like it?

Then dont whine like a baby (which shows a level of maturity which re-inforces the fact that restricted is just right for you)

Instead, write letters to your MP, to anyone that actually has a say in this law and ask for it to be changed.

Everyone whinges about laws that are an irritation to them. What better place for it than a forum... I whinge like f### about those tw4ts making me go outside for a cig.

Changing a law like that? I seriously doubt it would be changed even if the entire population wrote to their MPs. The MPs don't give a f###, and the bigger boys "know best".


I reckon the A2 does save lives somewhere along the line, the profiteering by the companies selling restrictor kits does wind me up. I think 2 years is overly harsh and 1 year would give time to get used to the bike enough to not be a liability, and also result in less people getting bored.

[Magnum]

(As my dad locked my full power ECU in his safe :()


LOL! Thats proper harsh... My parents just trust me.
My mum has said to me though that i have to be restricted till i leave the house :smt047

YEHH OK MUM :smt026 :D

[GeneticBubble]

seems i created a monster when creating this thread.

just to clear one thing up though, i wasn't "announcing" anything i was just asking for everyones views.

[suzsv650]

Tbh the restricted licence I think is quite good. Most of the people who stick to the restriction come out farrrrr better riders than any born again biker that’s just done his test and jumped on a gixxer thou. I think the DAS test need to be rethought. These people need to learn how to ride smaller bikes first and to be fair too many people wait till they are 21 do the test and again jump on a thou run wide and die!

Another good point is people who do the restricted licence USUALY use the bike as their main form of transport thus meaning they ride in all conditions gaining experience… Unlike the 40+ old man who rides only when it’s sunny one day every month! Yea he’s got a lot of experience! I bet he even tells the insurance company he’s been riding all those years he hasn’t…..

Disclaimer- this is an average and my view!:D

[yorkie_chris]

Another good point is people who do the restricted licence USUALY use the bike as their main form of transport thus meaning they ride in all conditions gaining experience… Unlike the 40+ old man who rides only when it’s sunny one day every month! Yea he’s got a lot of experience! I bet he even tells the insurance company he’s been riding all those years he hasn’t…..

Disclaimer- this is an average and my view!:D



It may be an average, but it is closer to true than "all <21 year olds are spastics who use the throttle as an on-off switch"

[suzsv650]

All 21 year olds that do DAS…..

[BanditPat]

Dont like it?

Then dont whine like a baby (which shows a level of maturity which re-inforces the fact that restricted is just right for you)

Instead, write letters to your MP, to anyone that actually has a say in this law and ask for it to be changed.


I take it that you haven't realized yet that every one in the country could write to their MP about it and it wouldn't make one bit of difference because even though you might think that they do they don't represent the public.

why dont yoiu just wind your neck in,you are really starting to **** me off.
If you dont like this country then feel free to leave.In some other Euro countries you have no option but to ride restricted until you are 25.
All Im hearing at the momemt is BLAAAA BLAAAA BLAAAA and you throwing a childish strop.
Yes Im 40 and not been affected by the 33 bhp limit....BUT I was one of those that had a 250 on L plates that lost all its value over night because the 125 limit came in.:mad:
Good stuff im glad I've managed to **** you off. And don't worry about me leaving as soon as I can I will be (and not to some euro ****ry). I would rather have lost the money on a bike and been able to ride what i want.


I'm gonna' add my thoughts on what has (as always in these threads) turned into carnage :lol:

BanditPat.. learn to ride your bike properly and use the power you've got. Any monkey can go down the motorway with the throttle pinned. Where's the skill in that? :rolleyes:
Obviously on motorways the restriction's a bit of a pain once you get over 85ish. Simple solution: Don't ride down the motorway trying to do a top speed run every time. Find some decent roads (twisty ones, lots of bends) and have some fun. There's plently of power in the twisties to put a grin on your face.
If traffic light GPs are your thing, a restricted SV will still beat most cars off the line

As for not being able to keep up on rideouts with 33bhp.. Biggest loada bullsh!t. I'm restricted and I've never had problems keeping up (oo, er), but then again the rideouts I go on don't really involve motorways.

As for the OP, it's your money, your license and your freedom. I'm not going to preach at you, 'cause it really pi55es me off when people do the same to me. De-restrict it if you want, but don't complain if you get caught. Chances are you'll be fine unless you're riding like a t!t :grin:

Its once in a blue moon i ride on a motorway. The day when my 33bhp bike will keep up with my dad on a ZX7R is the day I'll eat my oil filter. 33bhp may well be enough power for you in the twisties (at the moment) to keep a grin on your face and for the first 2 or three months after I passed my test it was for me yet now it isn't. my little bike will beat "most cars" away from the traffic lights. But if i was doing that i would rather do it on an industrial estate away from other people that might step out into the road or run a red light and in that instance i would still want more than 33bhp.

[Magnum]

http://www.roflcat.com/images/cats/270913946_efa38ec3d8.jpg

[SoulKiss]

I take it that you haven't realized yet that every one in the country could write to their MP about it and it wouldn't make one bit of difference because even though you might think that they do they don't represent the public.

Do something about it then instead of just bitching on the internet.

Get into politics, organise protests.

Dont just sit back and whine.

[SV400Rob]

LOL! Thats proper harsh... My parents just trust me.
My mum has said to me though that i have to be restricted till i leave the house :smt047

YEHH OK MUM :smt026 :D

So does that mean your allowed to ride the bike round the house restricted but as soon as you leave the front door you can derestrict it?!?

[plowsie]

I take it that you haven't realized yet that every one in the country could write to their MP about it and it wouldn't make one bit of difference because even though you might think that they do they don't represent the public.

Good stuff im glad I've managed to **** you off. And don't worry about me leaving as soon as I can I will be (and not to some euro ****ry). I would rather have lost the money on a bike and been able to ride what i want.



Its once in a blue moon i ride on a motorway. The day when my 33bhp bike will keep up with my dad on a ZX7R is the day I'll eat my oil filter. 33bhp may well be enough power for you in the twisties (at the moment) to keep a grin on your face and for the first 2 or three months after I passed my test it was for me yet now it isn't. my little bike will beat "most cars" away from the traffic lights. But if i was doing that i would rather do it on an industrial estate away from other people that might step out into the road or run a red light and in that instance i would still want more than 33bhp.
Not calling meself an expert here, feel free to come over mine and hop on the back of me bike Pat, although I am now de-restricted, I will bang the restrictors in take you out as pillion, and still manage to scare the **** outta ya if you like :D!

The good thing I never realised something about restriction, as with 250 and 125 racers...you really have to make up for the lack of grunt by getting a **** pot loada corner speed. I'm glad I put my restrictors in this bike until the end of my two years. I wouldn't be able to corner that else (to be fair, I still can't).

[Dave20046]

That's the only reason I'm forcing myself to keep mine in plowsie. Although did it even feel that much better with them out?

[dizzyblonde]

Not calling meself an expert here, feel free to come over mine and hop on the back of me bike Pat, although I am now de-restricted, I will bang the restrictors in take you out as pillion, and still manage to scare the **** outta ya if you like :D!

).

As a witness to Plowsies riding whilst he's had restrictors, I'd say there were nowt wrong with how fast he can get..overtake plenty of non restricted bikes, run over his own foot.........:)

......and then I can say as a witness there is no difference now hes not restricted anymore...lol

He'lll still scare the carp outta of yer.

[plowsie]

That's the only reason I'm forcing myself to keep mine in plowsie. Although did it even feel that much better with them out?
If you told me to put mine in, I don't think I would enjoy myself as much.

[plowsie]

He'lll still scare the carp outta of yer.
I dunno what ya mean miss :rolleyes:

[dizzyblonde]

I dunno what ya mean miss :rolleyes:

oh of course not young man;)

[yorkie_chris]

Woah, woah, hang on a sec there...im sorry, but WTF is all the fuss about so??

If yer under 21 there's no way you should be allowed on anything over 33bhp. 21 like, come on! And no im not some aul fart, im 26...

Try living over here lads....and then see how 'backward' your country is as someone put it a few pages back...

I've just thought about this again, and you're really suggesting that nobody under 21 is capable of riding a GS500E.

Lets put this in perspective, after an hour on a GS500E, the only way to avoid your heart stopping from boredom is to accelerate directly into the groin of the nearest policeman.

[Rich]

I've just thought about this again, and you're really suggesting that nobody under 21 is capable of riding a GS500E.

Lets put this in perspective, after an hour on a GS500E, the only way to avoid your heart stopping from boredom is to accelerate directly into the groin of the nearest policeman.

:smt044

[Sally]

I've just thought about this again, and you're really suggesting that nobody under 21 is capable of riding a GS500E.


Whered the GS500E come from?
Or was it just an example of a ~33bhp bike?

Or have i missed something and got confused again?

[Magnum]

So does that mean your allowed to ride the bike round the house restricted but as soon as you leave the front door you can derestrict it?!?


lol no she meant when i leave home... But to be honest i can exploit this loophole. :smt047

[Sally]

Camp in the back garden? :)

[yorkie_chris]

Whered the GS500E come from?
Or was it just an example of a ~33bhp bike?

Or have i missed something and got confused again?

Just an example of a dull bike that apparently makes more than 33bhp. (apparently >46.6bhp, but I'm not convinced)

This is seen as perfectly suitable to introduce as a first bike EVER, i.e a riding school will put a DAS student on one of these after no training at all.

Yet someone under 21 would be totally incapable of riding one without imminent DEATH. Apparently.

[dizzyblonde]

Whered the GS500E come from?
Or was it just an example of a ~33bhp bike?



thought a GS was 46bhp or have they started restricting them too?:confused:

edit...nope i concur:smt015

[Sally]

I think it was used as an example of a low power bike..

(i think alot, and usually get it wrong :()

[Magnum]

Whered the GS500E come from?
Or was it just an example of a ~33bhp bike?

Or have i missed something and got confused again?


It's an example of a derestricted bike that they use for training DAS people. I think its around 46bhp? Well thats the minimum for DAS students.

Edit - yc beat me to it, but i was right :D

[yorkie_chris]

Here's another example of some utter B0LLOCKS related to the 33bhp law.

The law states "net" BHP. I.e net: amount remaining after all deductions. Rear wheel BHP.

Yamaha SRX600, 32bhp at the back wheel.
FI international will sell you a restrictor kit for this bike. The shower of lying, profiteering c##ts!

[Sally]

The man raises good points..

Are you running for Prime Minister yet? :)

[yorkie_chris]

No but I am running for "send FI international and the EU 10 gallons of petrol in the post" Minister.

Vote YC.

[Rich]

:smt015

[Sally]

Sounds like a plan to me..
What about these *****s in Scotland who are intent on making 40p per unit of alcohol a new law?

Can they go in the post also? :D

[dizzyblonde]

Yamaha SRX600, 32bhp at the back wheel.
!


hey where did you put my 1 BHP??
Kicks ass all the more then;)

[Magnum]

Sounds like a plan to me..
What about these *****s in Scotland who are intent on making 40p per unit of alcohol a new law?

Can they go in the post also? :D

Am i missing something here? 40p per unit? That would make a pint 80p... Im moving to scotland!

[Sally]

I think its on cheap lager and that...
From supermarkets..
Lyk a 3 20 crates for £20..

Would become..

£40.8, using a 20 crate of stella at 1.7 units per bottle..

Which doubles the good deals :(

[speedplay]

Not calling meself an expert here, feel free to come over mine and hop on the back of me bike Pat, although I am now de-restricted, I will bang the restrictors in take you out as pillion, and still manage to scare the **** outta ya if you like :D!



I can vouch for this, scares the cr@p out of me and I was on the bike behind him!

[plowsie]

^^He's too puffy to come out with me now :-P

[speedplay]

^^He's too GOOD LOOKING AND MATURE to come out with me now :-P

Edit;)

[plowsie]

If there wasn't a u rating on this site, the text I just received from young Roberto could well be posted up on here, as it is, but i will edit it.

"Ladys foo foo" ;)

[Owenski]

I'm now confused about what the argument is. :confused:

[Magnum]

I'm now confused about what the argument is. :confused:


There is no arguement anymore. Ride de restricted if you want to, just be prepared to deal with the consequences. The law isnt going to change in the near future.

[TazDaz]

Just an example of a dull bike that apparently makes more than 33bhp. (apparently >46.6bhp, but I'm not convinced)

This is seen as perfectly suitable to introduce as a first bike EVER, i.e a riding school will put a DAS student on one of these after no training at all.

Yet someone under 21 would be totally incapable of riding one without imminent DEATH. Apparently.

In a similar vein of thought regarding the difference between someone under 21 and over...

I'm 20 and passed my test 9months ago after doing a 2 day course on a 125. Some of the time my lessons were shared with a gentleman who was about 35ish in age and doing his DAS on a GS500. He was the worst rider I've ever seen, dropped it about six times within the time I was with him but still managed to scrape a pass with 14 minors. My instructor then had the great pleasure of informing me on my test day that the gentlement went and put a deposit down on a fireblade after his test. (My instructor couldn't actually believe he passed..!)

Me on the other hand, managed to not drop my bike and got 1 minor in my test. Fair enough I did it on a 125, but clearly did a better job than the other guy who bought the fireblade and who has no doubt dropped it since!

The SV is my first personal bike and I never even rode a bike before my CBT. Been driving since I was 17 and managed to somehow not hit anything. Try and find a 17-18 year old who hasn't crashed a car. Majority of local lads around this age seem to write off cars on a monthly basis.

I'd consider myself reasonably sensible and mature for my age. Been in full time employment at the same place for the last three years (since school) and the average age of people I socialise with is probably around 26, which in my opinion has probably matured me past my age so to speak. None of this is taken into account with regards to the restriction!

I have issue with the agist restriction law simply because in every other element of our country we are seriously against it. My job title at work even changed to get rid of the word "junior" as it was seen as agist! It's a hard thing for the government to control though as I know plenty of people my age who would literally point a bike at a wall and full throttle towards it. Would be nice if it could be assessed on an individual basis as I'm sure I'd be allowed to have full power legally, but it will never happen!

I'll admit I've ridden de-restricted occasionally (private runway of course officer!) and if I'm honest I found the bike just as easy to handle - no major difference. As long as you don't act stupid and try to use the additional power in every circumstance then it really doesn't make much difference to general riding. The only benefit, as I'd like to keep a clean licence, is that you don't have to work the gearbox as much to get up to 90mph! (private runway of course officer!)

I've ridden with a few of the guys on here and I'm not the slowest rider in the world, but there is a time and place for speed and in my opinion it's not going into a blind bend! I also have a real sense of mortality as my older brother thought it would be fine to drink drive and killed two of his passenger friends when he crashed...prison...food for thought.

At the end of the day if you choose to de-restrict it and ride at your limits everywhere you will crash and you will be found out. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect the elder members posts as they more often than not have more experience, but I have to agree with some of the young un's on here - the law is cack!

Cheers

PS. apologies if this reads as verbal dribble...I haven't forced you to read it! :p

[joshmac]

Its once in a blue moon i ride on a motorway. The day when my 33bhp bike will keep up with my dad on a ZX7R is the day I'll eat my oil filter. 33bhp may well be enough power for you in the twisties (at the moment) to keep a grin on your face and for the first 2 or three months after I passed my test it was for me yet now it isn't. my little bike will beat "most cars" away from the traffic lights. But if i was doing that i would rather do it on an industrial estate away from other people that might step out into the road or run a red light and in that instance i would still want more than 33bhp.
I would bet a fair bit that there are riders who could keep up with daddy on his ZX7R.
I've been riding longer than 3 months. Just out of interest, was it a blandit that you restricted? IL4 motor...

How long've you been riding by the way?
Is your blandit still restricted?

[yorkie_chris]

All depends on the sort of road and the sort of rider, there are some roads where you just can't get the power down.

[joshmac]

Try and find a 17-18 year old who hasn't crashed a car. Majority of local lads around this age seem to write off cars on a monthly basis.


Ooo, ooo, pick me ;) (touch wood)


Good post by the way :-D Took me ages to read :lol:

[Sally]

Pick me too..

Am deadly slow/cautionious in my car, don't know what it is..

[BanditPat]

I would bet a fair bit that there are riders who could keep up with daddy on his ZX7R.
I've been riding longer than 3 months. Just out of interest, was it a blandit that you restricted? IL4 motor...

How long've you been riding by the way?
Is your blandit still restricted?

I've been riding on the road since i was 16 and off road on and off since i was 4 then more constantly when i was 14. And no I didn't have a scoot i had a little 50cc race rep which really was a real bike was quicker than my mates 125 any how. And I Bet that you couldn't keep up with it on my bike at least. The bandit is a 250 o need for restriction as it was 32bhp at the back wheel but that's 32bhp at 15,000rmp.

[Graciepants]

pick me too...i even had a 2.0l golf gti at 18 and i didnt crash it, the closest thing i came to one was scrapping my fiesta on a column

my bike is restricted, but its not an SV so might not be applicable, but im 21 now and i can retake my test if i want to to end my restriction but at the moment i think the world is safer if i didnt :smt106

[plowsie]

pick me too...i even had a 2.0l golf gti at 18
Lucky buggar! :smt090

[BigFootIsBlurry]

I've been riding on the road since i was 16 and off road on and off since i was 4 then more constantly when i was 14. And no I didn't have a scoot i had a little 50cc race rep which really was a real bike was quicker than my mates 125 any how. And I Bet that you couldn't keep up with it on my bike at least. The bandit is a 250 o need for restriction as it was 32bhp at the back wheel but that's 32bhp at 15,000rmp.


If you're finding the bandit slow why not swap it for a restricted SV? That way you dont have an old bike, it will be more rideable at 33bhp and when your time is up you can derestrict and not get a new bike? Or is that you plan?

[joshmac]

I've been riding on the road since i was 16 and off road on and off since i was 4 then more constantly when i was 14. And no I didn't have a scoot i had a little 50cc race rep which really was a real bike was quicker than my mates 125 any how. And I Bet that you couldn't keep up with it on my bike at least. The bandit is a 250 o need for restriction as it was 32bhp at the back wheel but that's 32bhp at 15,000rmp.
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting that I could! :lol:
Race rep 50s are the way to go :D
What did you have?

[Graciepants]

Lucky buggar! :smt090
worlds biggest chav right here lol
the insurance cost 1500 FC though :shock:
now i have...my mums yaris and a restricted cbr woo :smt090

[BanditPat]

Thats the plan. Just money at the moment trying to get my car test passed and the insurance on a 1.6l rover coupe isn't exactly cheap for a 17year old. Thinking about a crashed curvy and do it up. then when my restriction ends an oldish R6. sv restricted and de restricted depending on where im going and what im doing etc ;-)

[BanditPat]

Don't get me wrong, I wasn't suggesting that I could! :lol:
Race rep 50s are the way to go :D
What did you have?


A Derbi GPR50-R on a flat it would do 70mph (indicated);) shame it didn't go faster than 5mph in the rain and I used it in all weathers.

[joshmac]

A Derbi GPR50-R on a flat it would do 70mph (indicated);) shame it didn't go faster than 5mph in the rain and I used it in all weathers.
5mph in the rain? lol explain...

[Magnum]

A Derbi GPR50-R on a flat it would do 70mph (indicated);) shame it didn't go faster than 5mph in the rain and I used it in all weathers.


Bloody hell i didnt know a 50 could go that fast. My CG cant touch 70...

[joshmac]

Speedos on 50cc bikes become very inaccurate after 40ish, so I'm told

[joshmac]

Bloody hell i didnt know a 50 could go that fast. My CG cant touch 70...
Yeah, but your CG probably wouldn't blow up after say an hour at 60 ;)

[BanditPat]

5mph in the rain? lol explain...

For some reason never managed to figure out why if it sat in the rain it wouldn't rev above about 5k revs and being a 2 stroke had about 1hp down there I assumed it was an electrics problem, coated everything in WD40 and it made next to no difference. It got me into a fair few arguments though, car driver overtakes and blares his horn i blare mine back and give him the one fingered victory salute as demonstrated by GWB and they come back arguing lol all fun though

[joshmac]

:lol: Sounds interesting. Getting overtaken by cyclists must've been demoralising! haha

[BanditPat]

Nah i just booted them when they tried

[joshmac]

They should've kicked you... no way you'd have caught them up :lol:

[BanditPat]

No but if i had had a stroke of luck and it kicked into life i would have done ;-)

[Sally]

70 from a 50, not bad ;)
I only got 61 from mines!
Wanted to put a arrow exhaust on, but thought that would be pushing her a bit far..

[joshmac]

All indicated of course though...

[Sally]

Yeah, but still good fun back in the day!

[joshmac]

Indeedy.
Certainly better than walking or getting the bus/train/lift from parents etc...

Bit like having to ride a restricted bike or noting at all ;) (see Mr Fizz, I DO bring threads back on topic as well :lol: :-ddhttp://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:z1O-POT9cAzknM:http://www.majhost.com/gallery/fuzzball7/emoticons/thumb/angel.gif_thumb.jpg (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.majhost.com/gallery/fuzzball7/emoticons/thumb/angel.gif_thumb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.majhost.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi%3Ff%3D2465&usg=__ihf_NszqYqXfRYTyo17WYM3YsCk=&h=119&w=128&sz=4&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=z1O-POT9cAzknM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=91&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dangel%2Bemoticon%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Do ff%26rlz%3D1T4GFRC_enGB203GB203%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1) )

[Magnum]

Indeedy.
Certainly better than walking or getting the bus/train/lift from parents etc...

Bit like having to ride a restricted bike or noting at all ;) (see Mr Fizz, I DO bring threads back on topic as well :lol: :-ddhttp://tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:z1O-POT9cAzknM:http://www.majhost.com/gallery/fuzzball7/emoticons/thumb/angel.gif_thumb.jpg (http://images.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://www.majhost.com/gallery/fuzzball7/emoticons/thumb/angel.gif_thumb.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.majhost.com/cgi-bin/gallery.cgi%3Ff%3D2465&usg=__ihf_NszqYqXfRYTyo17WYM3YsCk=&h=119&w=128&sz=4&hl=en&start=4&um=1&tbnid=z1O-POT9cAzknM:&tbnh=85&tbnw=91&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dangel%2Bemoticon%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Do ff%26rlz%3D1T4GFRC_enGB203GB203%26sa%3DN%26um%3D1) )

Ahh theres the definition of re-railing a thread.
I would rather have a 50 than nothing at all. I hate busses!

[joshmac]

Especially as they think as soon as that indicator goes on, they have right of way over all traffic coming from behind! :rant::lol:

Back on topic please! :smt019 :lol: Not sure if I can really pull that one off. Haha!

[Magnum]

Especially as they think as that indicator goes on, they have right of way over all traffic coming from behind! :hackedoff: :lol:

Back on topic please! :smt019 :lol: Not sure if I can really pull that one off. Haha!


They do. New highway code rule 198 'give way to busses' :cool:

[joshmac]

They do. New highway code rule 198 'give way to busses' :cool:


Alright smart ar5e! :smt019 lol
198: Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops

I never think it's safe to do so, so bleh to you! :lol: [EDIT]: and to them, come to think about it

[Nicky S]

thanks for the advice guys but im going to totally ignore you....:shock:


only joking guess i will have to put up with the bus for another 4 days... :smt092

are u realy going to take the bus ?????

[joshmac]

are u realy going to take the bus ?????
Complete with bike engine note imitations from his seat :D

[GeneticBubble]

are u realy going to take the bus ?????


tbh i will proberly try to scrounge lifts off friends and family or just not go :rolleyes:

[joshmac]

tbh i will proberly try to scrounge lifts off friends and family or just not go :rolleyes:
There's your solution ;)