Can they tell it's not restricted?

[GeneticBubble]

my bike is getting its restrictor fitted this friday (fingers crossed) at which point noone will have a problem with me riding it, at he moment though i want to ride it, been out once or twice with my dad on his bike, but mum says she doesn't want me riding it until its restricted :(

ok so technically its illigal, but what is the chance of you getting pulled? as long as im not doing stupid speeds and making lots of noise (<<can't help that one :p)

also would you/did you ride your bike before it got its restrictor fitted?

[BanditPat]

I did mine before i passed my test. And theres no way they can tell at the side of the road if your bike is restricted any ways and a certificate isnt a legal requirement. I take it your insured on it?

[GeneticBubble]

yep im insured/texed everything except restrictor. just trying to convince mum to let me take it into college tomorrow... because i've had about all i can take from buses

[Magnum]

Its not a case of them telling if its restricted, they wont be able to tell unless youre doing over 100mph.
BUT if you do have a crash, they can check if its restricted. Your insurance wont pay out, and you were not riding in accordance with your licence.
Its your call, but it is always a risk. If you take it out now, when you put the restrictor in it may feel dissapointing in comparison.

Edit - also think about the sheer power difference. You done your training and test on a 10bhp 125cc bike, and now you will be jumping onto something with seven times the power. People that do the DAS have the experience on a 46bhp+ before riding anything else. Its a big jump.

[GeneticBubble]

i've already got that fear i've done 80 on the motorway on it already out with my dad i just hope it copes just as well when restricted :eek:

[BigFootIsBlurry]

IMO you're being stupid if you ride without restricting it. You're risking your license and your money, not to mention you're fu(ked if you're insurance get hold of you. If you're planning on restricting it soon then I would wait, if your not going to bother restricting it at all then you deserve what you get becuase its acts like that which push up everyone elses premiums.

[BanditPat]

I say if you want to ride it then do it, if your worried about getting caught don't. When i get my next bike i don't think it will be staying restricted for long any ways. The one i have now does over a ton and i've heard that the restricted SV's only do a ton so :-(

[Mighty Boosh]

Ello GB,

One major problem would be if you were involved in an accident, be it your fault or not, the insurance companys will go to extreme lengths to not have to pay out a claim.

Since you have a resticted license i would imagine a major concern, for an insurer, when considering a claim would be that you were using your bike, legally, in accordance with your resticted license.

Wait for the bike to be resricted and then you are legit,and when you first go out n about you'll be smiling twice as much.

The time, effort and cost of obtaining your license should tell you to do it the legal way.;)

[GeneticBubble]

thanks for the advice guys but im going to totally ignore you....:shock:


only joking guess i will have to put up with the bus for another 4 days... :smt092

[imaleon]

You'll have loads of people coming on here soon and having a go at you for considering it...it's a very touchy subject

You will not be insured as you're not riding within the requirements of your license; however the police would be none the wiser and they will have no reason to pull you over unless you're being a plonker. So if you insist on taking it out, make sure everything (I mean everything) is ok with the bike and you have all of your papers present + don't show off and draw attention to yourself.

I personally know several bikers who either removed their restriction kit early or didn't bother at all, and they didn't have any trouble. Doesn't mean it won't happen though!! If you get caught it'll be 6 points (so a ban for you) and a hefty fine.


Why would it push up premiums since he wouldn't be insured?

[BigFootIsBlurry]

Why would it push up premiums since he wouldn't be insured?


Because someone has to pay for it when uninsured w*nkers have an accident, and as usual its those of us who actually have some consideration that get hit in the pocket.

[BanditPat]

Because someone has to pay for it when uninsured w*nkers have an accident, and as usual its those of us who actually have some consideration that get hit in the pocket.

Im sure if he could have done a DAS test he would have done then he wouldnt even need to consider it

[imaleon]

I would have thought the driver would be fully liable for any damages caused not the insurance company as the policy is void

[dizzyblonde]

<stereotpe mode on>
okay kokey. I'm presuming you've just passed your test, and are very much younger than me, male and lots of bravado, and like to partake in the art of willy waving, like most men of a certain age (forgive me if I'm wrong to assume)
<sterotype mode off>

In the unfortunate event of you getting found out you didn't have restriction on your bike, would you then like to feel an absolute prat for spending loads of dosh on a bike and loads of dosh on insurance, loads of dosh on getting your license etc etc because you got 6 points for being found out, and thus rendering you very very open to losing your license full stop.

nah didn't thiink so,
Restricted licenses are there for a reason. Get over it.

[BigFootIsBlurry]

If sure if he could have he would. Unfortunately he cant.

[GeneticBubble]

does anyone know why the DAS age is 21? i would of done it if (like banditpat said) if i could of done but unfortunatly to young.

[BanditPat]

In reality the restricted license is ageist and i don't agree with it therefore i think that until EVERY one is restricted to 33bhp then the people that have no choice shouldn't be whined at by people that weren't unfortunate enough to be stuck with no choice

[Mighty Boosh]

Im sure if he could have done a DAS

Well he couldn't

he would have done then he wouldnt even need to consider it


So he does

[yorkie_chris]

Low chances of them checking, convictions seem to be rare, but the chance is there. If you get caught doing warp 9 then you're pretty boned anyway. Your money, your license.

Also it's a pretty stupid idea to consider illegal acts on a public forum, the questions have been asked enough times. You will probably also find that this forum is rather conservative about the 33bhp license.

then you deserve what you get becuase its acts like that which push up everyone elses premiums.

Really? Explain.

[yorkie_chris]

does anyone know why the DAS age is 21? i would of done it if (like banditpat said) if i could of done but unfortunatly to young.

DSA/DVLA/DFT/'the man' = bunch of c##ts who don't know what they're on about but need to be seen to "do something."

[madness]

does anyone know why the DAS age is 21? i would of done it if (like banditpat said) if i could of done but unfortunatly to young.

It's all about maturity!

[yorkie_chris]

Restricted licenses are there for a reason. Get over it.

Yah b0llocks.

The only people who think it's a good idea are people who had a choice in the matter.

[BigFootIsBlurry]

I would have thought the driver would be fully liable for any damages caused not the insurance company as the policy is void


Not as I understand it. If I, on my fully insured and legal bike, get written off by captain d1ckhead without insurance I would be forced to claim on my insurance as the chances of retreiving any costs from the aforementioned captain would be far from certain through a civil court case, especially if he has no money.

[dizzyblonde]

does anyone know why the DAS age is 21? i would of done it if (like banditpat said) if i could of done but unfortunatly to young.

because people start to get older and wiser:rolleyes:

In reality the restricted license is ageist and i don't agree with it therefore i wont conform to it

therefore you my dear are a very silly immature person.

disclaimer...I don't know you personally take no offense, but saying daft things like that on a public forum, makes you look very daft indeed

[GeneticBubble]

You will probably also find that this forum is rather conservative about the 33bhp license.



yea the majority seem to be coming down on me like a ton of bricks for even considering the idea,

but im sure at my age or back when you had your bike needing restricted you all considered it to.

[BanditPat]

because people start to get older and wiser:rolleyes:



therefore you my dear are a very silly immature person.

disclaimer...I don't know you personally take no offense, but saying daft things like that on a public forum, makes you look very daft indeed

I don't mind looking daft, i went through my life so far looking daft and chances are I'll go through the rest. I will ride what I want because I think its degrading to be stuck on a 20 year old bike when some one 4 years older can do the same test on a different bike and go out and buy a brand new R1 or a busa

[dizzyblonde]

Yah b0llocks.

The only people who think it's a good idea are people who had a choice in the matter.

don't start or no biscuits and brews for you:D
I stand by what I say, its there for a reason, you already know my personal thoughts over it. So we shall leave that there between you and I;)

[yorkie_chris]

because people start to get older and wiser:rolleyes:
therefore you my dear are a very silly immature person.

And that is the patronising attitude the DVLA and the rest take, and the reason only a dribbling spastic would have any respect left for the laws of this country.

disclaimer...I don't know you personally take no offense, but saying daft things like that on a public forum, makes you look very daft indeed

I do however fully agree that considering or admitting to any illegal act would be rather silly.

yea the majority seem to be coming down on me like a ton of bricks for even considering the idea,

but im sure at my age or back when you had your bike needing restricted you all considered it to.

Like I say, the people who shout the loudest were never affected by the rule.

[dizzyblonde]

I don't mind looking daft, i went through my life so far looking daft and chances are I'll go through the rest. I will ride what I want because I think its degrading to be stuck on a 20 year old bike when some one 4 years older can do the same test on a different bike and go out and buy a brand new R1 or a busa

well there are a lot of older bikes out there that can rip your head off.
I've got someone sat next to me that could put you straight on that one.
Nowt degrading about old bikes.

[BanditPat]

well there are a lot of older bikes out there that can rip your head off.
I've got someone sat next to me that could put you straight on that one.
Nowt degrading about old bikes.

Theres something degrading about it when you have no choice in the matter but to have a 20 year old tiny capacity bike which most of the time are physically tiny and designed for any one under 5'6" as soon as your taller your the most uncomfortable person on the road

[Girth]

Play with feathers, get your @rse tickled.

Its down to you at the end of the day.

[imaleon]

because people start to get older and wiser:rolleyes:



therefore you my dear are a very silly immature person.

disclaimer...I don't know you personally take no offense, but saying daft things like that on a public forum, makes you look very daft indeed


Hmm I still don't think the licenses are justified. I mean a gentleman who used to ride 125s in the 60s, could jump on a Superbike tomorrow. Sure he may be old and 'wise' but will he have the experience and technique to handle such a monster? Then if we were to have a young rider who's 20, been riding since 17 and is a member of the advanced motorcyclists institute or equivalent, never had a conviction or accident etc and was put on the same machine. Who would be more likely to have an accident?


Also I know some very immature 21yr olds...

Just out of curiorsity does the restricted license scheme exist anywhere else other than the UK?

[madness]

I don't mind looking daft, i went through my life so far looking daft and chances are I'll go through the rest. I will ride what I want because I think its degrading to be stuck on a 20 year old bike when some one 4 years older can do the same test on a different bike and go out and buy a brand new R1 or a busa

Surely a younger person with a good job could have a nice shiny new bike and someone older with a lesser paid job could only afford a 20 year old bike.

[SV400Rob]

To be honest before my bike was restricted I thought "once round the block won't hurt" but I thought better of it and chose not to. I would like to see what a police officer has to say about the 33bhp rule being ageist. Its there for a reason...to stop inexperienced riders, like us, going out and buying the most powerful sports bike that we can afford. Because thats what used to happen according to my dad who had bikes back in the day when you could ride a 250 or what ever on L-plates, People used to pass their test buy the most powerful bike they could afford and kill themselves on it.
And someone had to do something about the deaths hence the 33bhp restrictored licences. You don't even notice them when there fitted. My dad road my 400sv to the garage where i had it restricted and has since riden it after restriction and he can barely tell. It'll still do a ton no probs.
I don't think IMO that 4days worth of bus fare is worth loosing your licence no matter how slim the chances are.

[Luckypants]

I couldn't care less about whether the restricted licence is fair or ageist or whatever. The point is that a licence is a privilege you earn by respecting the traffic laws while demonstrating machine control, AKA the bike test. You knew when you entered into this what the rules were, so moaning it's not fair now seems pretty pointless.

What I do have a major problem with is folks driving / riding without insurance. By not riding in accordance with your licence this is EXACTLY what you are doing. Whether you were being an idiot or not, if you cause an accident you just ruin someone's day, week, year or even their life and you won't have the means to try to put things right.

So don't ride without insurance. Ever.

[keith_d]

Put me in the conservative camp too.

If you've been pootling around with 10 bhp, a half power SV will be plenty fast enough. I passed my DAS recently and probably don't use more than 33 horsepower very often.

The problem with removing the restrictor is that it invalidates your insurance. So if you do get caught you'll be done for driving with no licence and no insurance. That's a year on the buses, another bloody driving test, then stupidly high insurance premiums for the next three years.

So the risk of getting caught is small, but if you do it's bloody expensive. Not worth it for three or four days, IMO.

Keith.

[GeneticBubble]

To be honest before my bike was restricted I thought "once round the block won't hurt" but I thought better of it and chose not to. I would like to see what a police officer has to say about the 33bhp rule being ageist. Its there for a reason...to stop inexperienced riders, like us, going out and buying the most powerful sports bike that we can afford. Because thats what used to happen according to my dad who had bikes back in the day when you could ride a 250 or what ever on L-plates, People used to pass their test buy the most powerful bike they could afford and kill themselves on it.
And someone had to do something about the deaths hence the 33bhp restrictored licences. You don't even notice them when there fitted. My dad road my 400sv to the garage where i had it restricted and has since riden it after restriction and he can barely tell. It'll still do a ton no probs.
I don't think IMO that 4days worth of bus fare is worth loosing your licence no matter how slim the chances are.


if only everyones advice was as nicely put as that you should all be ashamed ;) but point taken everyone i will do my time on the bus and then vow revenge on all buses after 4 days

[carnivore]

Theres something degrading about it when you have no choice in the matter but to have a 20 year old tiny capacity bike which most of the time are physically tiny and designed for any one under 5'6" as soon as your taller your the most uncomfortable person on the road

20 Year old bikes are FUN, suspension that's seized, dodgy handling and CHEAP insurance. I personally have a 1986 yamaha SRX 600 that cost me £400. I can have more fun on that than the raptor in certain situations. Don't get me wrong the Raptor's fast as f*** but if i wanna take the pi$$ i'm not gonna do it on a bike with 110bhp. Havin' a restricted SV or not if you take the pi$$ on it and get caught ur still gonna get 3 points.

[yorkie_chris]

don't start or no biscuits and brews for you:D
I stand by what I say, its there for a reason, you already know my personal thoughts over it. So we shall leave that there between you and I;)

I say the reason it's there is some deskbound warriors needed to be seen to be "doing something", so they picked on the easiest target ... young riders.

You cannot expect to be given any credit in a discussion by simply calling the other party immature. Disobeying a law because you believe it's b0llocks seems to me to be making a decision of risk vs reward vs your own morality. Blindly obeying with no thought is just retarded. St Augustine: "an unjust law is no law at all."

I seem to recall a statistic which shows the 'average' KSI being 35 years old and fairly affluent.

[BanditPat]

To be honest before my bike was restricted I thought "once round the block won't hurt" but I thought better of it and chose not to. I would like to see what a police officer has to say about the 33bhp rule being ageist. Its there for a reason...to stop inexperienced riders, like us, going out and buying the most powerful sports bike that we can afford. Because thats what used to happen according to my dad who had bikes back in the day when you could ride a 250 or what ever on L-plates, People used to pass their test buy the most powerful bike they could afford and kill themselves on it.
And someone had to do something about the deaths hence the 33bhp restrictored licences. You don't even notice them when there fitted. My dad road my 400sv to the garage where i had it restricted and has since riden it after restriction and he can barely tell. It'll still do a ton no probs.
I don't think IMO that 4days worth of bus fare is worth loosing your licence no matter how slim the chances are.

If it was about inexperience then why would being 21 make any difference? surely if its a case of experience then the 33bhp should be applied to every one that passes a test? Why not restrict people till they have done so many miles instead of 2 years?

[fizzwheel]

yea the majority seem to be coming down on me like a ton of bricks for even considering the idea,

You wont know it, but you wont believe how many times people have posted on the forum about this very subject.

You've got 4 days to wait, do you really want to risk your future riding career points / fine etc etc for the sake of a few days riding the bus ?

I'm not going to preach, I wouldnt do it, but if your going to do it, dont post on an internet forum about it ;)

[BanditPat]

20 Year old bikes are FUN, suspension that's seized, dodgy handling and CHEAP insurance. I personally have a 1986 yamaha SRX 600 that cost me £400. I can have more fun on that than the raptor in certain situations. Don't get me wrong the Raptor's fast as f*** but if i wanna take the pi$$ i'm not gonna do it on a bike with 110bhp. Havin' a restricted SV or not if you take the pi$$ on it and get caught ur still gonna get 3 points.

And what about a 20 year old GSF250? 38bhp at the crank. You can not have fun on it on a ride out because you have to work that hard to keep up with anything then when it decides some thing is going to give you end up with a 8 week wait to get the parts from japan.

[madness]

Just because you don't agree with a law doesn't make it okay to break it. Without laws our society would break down and we'd have anarchy.

[SV400Rob]

I had a 1982 GS125 up until the 1st of March. I'm not exactly short myself at just over 6ft. I had it just over a year and never once did I find it boring or uncomfortable or degrading to be on a 27year old bike. I think its more degrading to go out and buy a 125cc that looks like a big bike such as a Hyosung GT125R like my friend did and have to put L-plates on it. Whats better is my old 27 year old bike didn't loose as much money as my mate will on his Hyosung.

[GeneticBubble]

i will take the bus already! lol, was merely asking for opinions/advice etc didn't mean for it to get this heated!

[carnivore]

And what about a 20 year old GSF250? 38bhp at the crank. You can not have fun on it on a ride out because you have to work that hard to keep up with anything then when it decides some thing is going to give you end up with a 8 week wait to get the parts from japan.

Get an old bike like an RD and parts ain't a problem. Don't get an import. And don't go for any bike that's bhp is given at the crank. You'll learn more about riding a bike having to use the gear box to keep the engine on the boil.

[fizzwheel]

i will take the bus already! lol, was merely asking for opinions/advice etc didn't mean for it to get this heated!

These threads always do... but you werent to know that when you posted. Like I said its common subject and it always draws a strong response.

[keith_d]

I suspect the age limit on the DAS test is statistical rather than ageist. The people most likely to write themselves off as well as their bike are the 18-21 age group.

I got into enough trouble in a 1000cc mini which did 0-60 in about ten minutes. Allowing youngsters (damn, I'm showing my age) a license to ride superbikes which do 0-60 in less than 4 seconds is like giving children loaded guns to play with.

On the other hand it would do wonders for cleaning out the gene pool...

Keith.

[Girth]

http://mahopa.de/bilder/funny-forum-pictures/no-hope-for-this-thread.jpg

[madness]

i will take the bus already! lol, was merely asking for opinions/advice etc didn't mean for it to get this heated!

People have strong views, not just on this subject. They might not always be the view that you agree with, but they're all worth listening to. Don't take it personally.

[dizzyblonde]

Throws question to pit of lions.

WHy is it, that when a thread like this comes up its always the blokes under 21 that complain about having a bike restricted :confused:

I'm probably barking up the wrong tree but I've never seen a burd asking this restriction thing. Maybe they are just happy with what they have.

[GeneticBubble]

I suspect the age limit on the DAS test is statistical rather than ageist. The people most likely to write themselves off as well as their bike are the 18-21 age group.



i remember hearing/reading that its 35 year olds taking the DAS which are most at risk...

[SV400Rob]

If it was about inexperience then why would being 21 make any difference? surely if its a case of experience then the 33bhp should be applied to every one that passes a test? Why not restrict people till they have done so many miles instead of 2 years?

Because at 21 the chances are you may have had a car at some point which gives you the road sense and the knowledge of when you can and can't do certain things. Your also a bit maturer at 21 as well I should imagine. Now at 17/18 all you want to do is show off you bike and see what it can do, I know that because at 18 I'm guilty of it too.

I get the impression, correct me if I'm wrong, that you could be the only person in your immediate family with a bike. Which means you haven't got anyone to guide you and give you advice, I've got my dad who had bikes since he was 17 up until my sister was born 21 years ago and then he got another one a couple of years back. He's fallen off bikes he's done stupid things he's been caught racing my mum back home, most importantly he's been there done that got the t-shirt and has passed his knowhow and experience onto me, which makes me a safer better rider IMO.

[BanditPat]

Get an old bike like an RD and parts ain't a problem. Don't get an import. And don't go for any bike that's bhp is given at the crank. You'll learn more about riding a bike having to use the gear box to keep the engine on the boil.

Trust me I wont be touching another old bike. And if its a choice between the cage and having to wait until i can ride a "real" bike. Or buy another tiny old bike then i think i'll save up a little bit of money for the deposit on a new bike.

[GeneticBubble]

I get the impression, correct me if I'm wrong, that you could be the only person in your immediate family with a bike. Which means you haven't got anyone to guide you and give you advice, I've got my dad who had bikes since he was 17 up until my sister was born 21 years ago and then he got another one a couple of years back. He's fallen off bikes he's done stupid things he's been caught racing my mum back home, most importantly he's been there done that got the t-shirt and has passed his knowhow and experience onto me, which makes me a safer better rider IMO.

nope, my dad rides a kawa zzr 1200, he's been riding for years and year was a courier in london back in the day...

my older brother who's now 20 is on a zxr 1200, having ridden an 125, sv650, r6, and tuono

my mum rides a bandit 600, :D

[BanditPat]

Because at 21 the chances are you may have had a car at some point which gives you the road sense and the knowledge of when you can and can't do certain things. Your also a bit maturer at 21 as well I should imagine. Now at 17/18 all you want to do is show off you bike and see what it can do, I know that because at 18 I'm guilty of it too.

I get the impression, correct me if I'm wrong, that you could be the only person in your immediate family with a bike. Which means you haven't got anyone to guide you and give you advice, I've got my dad who had bikes since he was 17 up until my sister was born 21 years ago and then he got another one a couple of years back. He's fallen off bikes he's done stupid things he's been caught racing my mum back home, most importantly he's been there done that got the t-shirt and has passed his knowhow and experience onto me, which makes me a safer better rider IMO.

Dad had bikes since he was 13, Grandad had bikes since he was about the same age, Uncles have both had bikes since 17. So im in no lack of advice if i need to get it;) All i want my bike for at the moment is to get me to work and back and to use for a bit of fun when i cant spend time with my friends(when i get some:p)

[dizzyblonde]

Trust me I wont be touching another old bike. And if its a choice between the cage and having to wait until i can ride a "real" bike. Or buy another tiny old bike then i think i'll save up a little bit of money for the deposit on a new bike.


hehe Mr Carnivore has had more 'real' bikes that are old, that would eat a new one for breakfast in some situations, than I would care to think of!

[madness]

All new bikers are at risk. Lack of experience means you make mistakes. I do and I'm 43. It wouldn't bother me if I was restricted to 33 BHP. I know I'd still have fun and still scare myself. But I know that as you get older you sense of self preservation gets stronger and you take less risks. If I'd had a powerful bike in my late teens then I doubt that I would be here today.

[fizzwheel]

Your also a bit maturer at 21 as well I should imagine.

I was a big a pratt at 21 as I was when I was 17 :D

If I'd had my GSXR when I was 17 or 21 I reckon I'd still be 10 feet under and not posting this now. Mind you reckon if I'd had my GSXR for a first bike after I did my DAS I reckon I'd also be 10 ft under to...

[SV400Rob]

nope, my dad rides a kawa zzr 1200, he's been riding for years and year was a courier in london back in the day...

my older brother who's now 20 is on a zxr 1200, having ridden an 125, sv650, r6, and tuono

my mum rides a bandit 600, :D

Dad had bikes since he was 13, Grandad had bikes since he was about the same age, Uncles have both had bikes since 17. So im in no lack of advice if i need to get it;) All i want my bike for at the moment is to get me to work and back and to use for a bit of fun when i cant spend time with my friends(when i get some:p)

Ok sorry guys I take it back. I just seem to have constant advice/guidance from my dad whos an IAM member whereas I have two friends that seem to take the same view of the restricted licences as you guys

[Wideboy]

i cant be botherd to read though this thread but thought i'd add my 2p worth lol

when i cam off a few weeks ago, the police asked me to produce a copy of my restriction certificate and license, along with other documents about a week and a bit later, even picked up on the fact i wasnt wearing glasses

[yorkie_chris]

Throws question to pit of lions.

WHy is it, that when a thread like this comes up its always the blokes under 21 that complain about having a bike restricted :confused:

I'm probably barking up the wrong tree but I've never seen a burd asking this restriction thing. Maybe they are just happy with what they have.

Because the blokes don't tend to have a choice in the matter. We've got what 3 birds on 33bhp? Maybe 30 lads?
Statistically you're gonna get some people who want more power and chances are, they're gonna be male. Especially as some of the ladies get 33bhp'd through choice in which case, they have no right to whinge about it!

Maybe the birds are happy with what they have, I would be curious to note the response from any who think that 33bhp is a good idea.

My response as always is that the government has no moral right to interfere with me killing myself. We all have working right hands and control over the power produced by the motor at all times. If I abuse it and get it wrong, it will hurt, it will be expensive, I may die. Anybody who would willingly give up that self determination should not be on a bike. They should be in a 5* Euro NCAP rated car, close the garage door and leave the motor running.

[Ed]

if your not going to bother restricting it at all then you deserve what you get becuase its acts like that which push up everyone elses premiums.

Really? Explain.

All motor insurers in the UK have to contribute to the Motor Insurers Bureau, which pays out in the case of uninsured or untraced drivers. So by definition Kristoff, you pay.

[BanditPat]

Throws question to pit of lions.

WHy is it, that when a thread like this comes up its always the blokes under 21 that complain about having a bike restricted :confused:

I'm probably barking up the wrong tree but I've never seen a burd asking this restriction thing. Maybe they are just happy with what they have.

Because they're the people that have no choice. Maybe a lass is happy with what they have. Or maybe they just take it on their own initiative instead of asking on a forum. I would bet that if you were stuck to 33bhp after a few months you wouldn't have the same view on it that you would now.

[madness]

My response as always is that the government has no moral right to interfere with me killing myself. We all have working right hands and control over the power produced by the motor at all times. If I abuse it and get it wrong, it will hurt, it will be expensive, I may die

It's not that simple, as there's always someone else involved.

[yorkie_chris]

In the case of an A2 licenced biker on a >33bhp machine having an at-fault claim against him by a 3rd party.

Not restricting it is just the first step in that. Am I being pedantic?

edit [this post directed at eds post #63]

[Girth]

Because they're the people that have no choice. Maybe a lass is happy with what they have. Or maybe they just take it on their own initiative instead of asking on a forum. I would bet that if you were stuck to 33bhp after a few months you wouldn't have the same view on it that you would now.


I did. But not from day one. I knew the risks. I was ok and ready for the power, but i had other reasons for doing it.

[SV400Rob]

My response as always is that the government has no moral right to interfere with me killing myself. We all have working right hands and control over the power produced by the motor at all times. If I abuse it and get it wrong, it will hurt, it will be expensive, I may die.

I see where your coming from but whos gona clean up the mess if you get it wrong and kill yourself? Someone from the gov. Unfortunatly there are people who haven't got what it takes, not sure if thats the right wording, to be able to control the power that mayb you have.

IMO it doesn't matter whether anyone wishes to have their bike restricted or not bother, but the rules are there for a reason, if you respect your licence and have a passion for bikes then two years is naff all.

[yorkie_chris]

It's not that simple, as there's always someone else involved.

Not in the average bike crash there isn't.


NHS contributions yadda yadda, traumatising people who scrape your sorry ars off the road. People who participate in extreme sports don't get the same whinges :smt002

[BanditPat]

[quote=yorkie_chris;1833847]My response as always is that the government has no moral right to interfere with me killing myself. We all have working right hands and control over the power produced by the motor at all times. If I abuse it and get it wrong, it will hurt, it will be expensive, I may die.quote]

I see where your coming from but whos gona clean up the mess if you get it wrong and kill yourself? Someone from the gov. Unfortunatly there are people who haven't got what it takes, not sure if thats the right wording, to be able to control the power that mayb you have.

IMO it doesn't matter whether anyone wishes to have their bike restricted or not bother, but the rules are there for a reason, if you respect your licence and have a passion for bikes then two years is naff all.

Thats what i thought when I did my test, did it at the beginning of September and by December i was bored of the bike, bored of the 30mpg that i get because the bike has to sit at at least 10k revs to keep up with the traffic when im out on my own never mind what its like when im out with my dad tap dancing on the gear lever and geting a sore right wrist

[madness]

SV400ROB proves that you can have maturity at a young age. But I suspect he's an exception and not the rule. If we all had proved to be that mature at his age the 33 BHP restriction would not have been brought in.

[dizzyblonde]

Because they're the people that have no choice. Maybe a lass is happy with what they have. Or maybe they just take it on their own initiative instead of asking on a forum. I would bet that if you were stuck to 33bhp after a few months you wouldn't have the same view on it that you would now.

I couldn't give a monkeys how much BHP I have to be perfectly frank. I had a 12.5 BHP cruiser for a year, and was more than happy with it. Fair enough I decided to go the step further to bigger bikedom, and got the SV, which was there on a plate anyway, as it belonged to Carnivore. I love the SRX at 33BHP its a fecking scream, and blows a lot of things out of the water, its just a shame i need to jump off the top board of the Halifax swimming pool to start the damn thing:smt026(still haven't got the knack :-( ). If the SV hadn't been there I'd have gone for an electric start SRX, I pondered over a lot of them before i passed my test.
To me its not what power you have got. BHP comes down the bottom of the list for choosing a bike.

SO in a nutshell, i would still have the same view as I have now.
Plus I don't feel the need to willy wave either;)

[yorkie_chris]

I see where your coming from but whos gona clean up the mess if you get it wrong and kill yourself?

Unfortunatly there are people who haven't got what it takes, not sure if thats the right wording, to be able to control the power that mayb you have.

If I was squeamish and unprepared to accept the risk of scraping up some corpses, then I would not take the money such an occupation would be paid.

Never said I have, chances are I will hurt myself at some point, maybe through excess of throttle, maybe something else. I say it doesn't matter who's got what. It's about the right to chose.

[dizzyblonde]

IMO it doesn't matter whether anyone wishes to have their bike restricted or not bother, but the rules are there for a reason, if you respect your licence and have a passion for bikes then two years is naff all.

ahmen to that from a very mature young man:cool:

[SV400Rob]

[quote=SV400Rob;1833863]

Thats what i thought when I did my test, did it at the beginning of September and by December i was bored of the bike, bored of the 30mpg that i get because the bike has to sit at at least 10k revs to keep up with the traffic when im out on my own never mind what its like when im out with my dad tap dancing on the gear lever and geting a sore right wrist

What bike have you got again a 400bandit? Cos Iv only got a 400sv and that seems to keep up with what Iv needed to keep up with without have to change gear much.

[BanditPat]

SV400ROB proves that you can have maturity at a young age. But I suspect he's an exception and not the rule. If we all had proved to be that mature at his age the 33 BHP restriction would not have been brought in.

Then we have your generation to thank for that don't we then? The people that caused the rule arent affected by it, brilliant something else backwards to add to the countries list

[madness]

Not in the average bike crash there isn't.


NHS contributions yadda yadda, traumatising people who scrape your sorry ars off the road. People who participate in extreme sports don't get the same whinges :smt002

Trust me they do. I've had far too many lectures about rock climbing and pot-holing and climbing aerial masts and a host of other things

[BanditPat]

[quote=BanditPat;1833869]

What bike have you got again a 400bandit? Cos Iv only got a 400sv and that seems to keep up with what Iv needed to keep up with without have to change gear much.

A crappy 250 bandit that if you let the revs drop because some **** hole decides that they want to go 30 in a 50 or overtake some ne on a dual carriageway doing the exact same speed as the person they are trying to overtake you have to start again with your getting speed up

[yorkie_chris]

I've done bits of SCUBA, bits of rock climbing and never has a "member of the community" said "oooooh won't somebody think of the children".
In fact, neither has anyone on any of the other biking forums I frequent. Where's the hooligan in this place, where's the FUN?

One of the most rabid posts I've ever read on here about "following the rules", was from a member who weeks previously had bragged about doing some seriously nickable speeds on his plastic projectile on the public road...
Ironic eh.

[SV400Rob]

If I was squeamish and unprepared to accept the risk of scraping up some corpses, then I would not take the money such an occupation would be paid.

Well obviously if you weren't that kind of person you wouldn't be scraping people up for living by choice, but someone has still got to be paid to clean the mess up, which their wage could possibly come from the gov. which comes from the tax payer! Hows that, potentially your paying the gov. via taxes, who then pays someone to clean up the mess you've just created by killing yourself on a bike you can't propperly handle because you've rebelled against the gov. for wanting your rights to choose what you want to do. Doesn't make sense to me.

I bet GeneticBubble regreats asking now lol

[dizzyblonde]

Then we have your generation to thank for that don't we then? The people that caused the rule arent affected by it, brilliant something else backwards to add to the countries list

its not necessarily about a 'generation of people' that caused the rule. It was an RD250LC that caused the rule about CBT's and many huge bikes in the 80's that probably caused the 33BHP thingy too

[madness]

I've done bits of SCUBA, bits of rock climbing and never has a "member of the community" said "oooooh won't somebody think of the children".
In fact, neither has anyone on any of the other biking forums I frequent. Where's the hooligan in this place, where's the FUN?

One of the most rabid posts I've ever read on here about "following the rules", was from a member who weeks previously had bragged about doing some seriously nickable speeds on his plastic projectile on the public road...
Ironic eh.

I don't think that anybody is suggesting that we all mindlessly follow every bit of crazy legislation that our government brings in. We all want to feel alive and have fun, I certainly do. But you can still have fun within the law. Everyone breaks laws at some time, I do most times I ride or drive. I think the issue is which laws are seen as 'acceptable' to break and the ones which aren't. Having no insurance is generally seen as unacceptable.

[BanditPat]

its not necessarily about a 'generation of people' that caused the rule. It was an RD250LC that caused the rule about CBT's and many huge bikes in the 80's that probably caused the 33BHP thingy too

He stated that if we were all hat mature at his age the 33bhp rule wouldnt have been brought in hence the previous generation of people being immature about the bikes that they rode and how they rode them caused the law

[dizzyblonde]

He stated that if we were all hat mature at his age the 33bhp rule wouldnt have been brought in hence the previous generation of people being immature about the bikes that they rode and how they rode them caused the law

yes because they all went out and bought mad bikes that got bent, bashed burned and generally caused mass hysteria amongst anti bike peeps, bought by very young people who couldn't handle them
Have a research through 80's biking, I'm sure you'll have some fun looking :-).

[BanditPat]

yes because they all went out and bought mad bikes that got bent, bashed burned and generally caused mass hysteria amongst anti bike peeps, bought by very youg people who couldn;t handle them
Have a read through 80's biking, I'm sure you'll find some fun looking.

OK then so that's that generation that made sure that i couldn't have as much fun for 24 months. Not just because of the power out put but because the restricted bikes and (at least in my case)smaller capacity bikes are less fuel efficient the tyres on my bike cost more than the tyres cost for my dads bike so i end up not having as much money at the end of it to spend on going out and socializing. I'll make sure that i hold that grudge then.

[madness]

It does really matter whose generation led to the law in the first place. What we all should realise is that our actions now can lead to laws being change or new ones being brought in. Perhaps if everyone ignored the 33 BHP restriction the government wou;d find a way of restricting us even more, perhaps spot checks on restricted bikes. The technology is there to control most aspects of power and speed, give the government enough reason to use it and one day they will.

[BanditPat]

It does really matter whose generation led to the law in the first place. What we all should realise is that our actions now can lead to laws being change or new ones being brought in. Perhaps if everyone ignored the 33 BHP restriction the government wou;d find a way of restricting us even more, perhaps spot checks on restricted bikes. The technology is there to control most aspects of power and speed, give the government enough reason to use it and one day they will.


No it doesn't matter to you because your not affected by it. It bothers me because I am affected by it. I just cant wait to get out of this backwards country.

[dizzyblonde]

OK then so that's that generation that made sure that i couldn't have as much fun for 24 months. Not just because of the power out put but because the restricted bikes and (at least in my case)smaller capacity bikes are less fuel efficient the tyres on my bike cost more than the tyres cost for my dads bike so i end up not having as much money at the end of it to spend on going out and socializing. I'll make sure that i hold that grudge then


No it doesn't matter to you because your not affected by it. It bothers me because I am affected by it. I just cant wait to get out of this backwards country



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I'm really sorry but you sound like a right
http://blog.hirestrategies.co.uk/erecruitment/images/2007/09/02/baby_sucking_dummy.jpg

and remember folks it were a 35BHP RD that caused all the mayhem, at speeds of 100mph.

[BanditPat]

I'm really sorry but you sound like a right
http://blog.hirestrategies.co.uk/erecruitment/images/2007/09/02/baby_sucking_dummy.jpg

and remember folks it were a 35BHP RD that caused all the mayhem, at speeds of 100mph.
Honestly I don't really care what i sound like. I'm not going to accept the point of view from some one that didn't have to endure 33bhp. Some one that wasn't victimized when it comes to what they can ride because of their age and not having a single way around it with out breaking the law.

[madness]

No it doesn't matter to you because your not affected by it. It bothers me because I am affected by it. I just cant wait to get out of this backwards country.

I might not be affected by the 33 BHP law, but I was affected by the law brought in as a response to the RD250LC. When I got to 17, I could only ride a 125 and not a 250 as previous generations could. I'm also affected by other laws that were brought in because of the actions of generations prior to mine. Undoubtedly your generation will cause more restrictions on what future generations can and can't do.

[imaleon]

I couldn't give a monkeys how much BHP I have to be perfectly frank. I had a 12.5 BHP cruiser for a year, and was more than happy with it. Fair enough I decided to go the step further to bigger bikedom, and got the SV, which was there on a plate anyway, as it belonged to Carnivore. I love the SRX at 33BHP its a fecking scream,

Everyone has different perspectives of what's appropriate power/speed is. Some people are perfectly content with having low powered bikes so having more power, especially while being restricted, is completely ludicrous to some; but seems perfectly acceptable others.

You can't get away from what the law states, if you're doing something wrong there is a possibility of dealing with large consequences. If people are prepared to take that risk people should be advised of the consequences and not battled into submission.

I feel that as mentioned earlier in the thread that young riders are targeted in an unjustified manner. As a whole they are a higher risk, but so are new riders of any age on any powerful machine. I believe that the restricted license scenario needs serious alteration and the frequency of this topic is just proof of how many riders at least contemplate the restricted aspect of their license.

[Swin]

Trouble is that blaming the generation before you just doesn't really make any difference. When I started out on learner bikes in the mid-80s, I had to have a crappy 125 with L plates on it - I didn't complain about the people before me who had 250s with L plates on etc, you just have to put up with it, learn your skills and move on when you can...

That's how I feel about it anyway - personally I don't really care if you get caught with an overpowered bike or not, but the costs for these transgressions do always seem to find their way onto the law abiding somehow, so are you going to get the hump when the younger generation of bikers ask these questions and plan these evasions when you're on the receiving end of higher premiums etc because of it?

[Swin]

I might not be affected by the 33 BHP law, but I was affected by the law brought in as a response to the RD250LC. When I got to 17, I could only ride a 125 and not a 250 as previous generations could. I'm also affected by other laws that were brought in because of the actions of generations prior to mine. Undoubtedly your generation will cause more restrictions on what future generations can and can't do.

doh, I wasted time typing a reply and you'd already said the same anyway :)

[madness]

doh, I wasted time typing a reply and you'd already said the same anyway :)

Don't worry about it mate. I sometimes end up doing the same as I can't type very fast.

[madness]

Probably done this topic to death tonight, so I'm off to bed.

Goodnight Peeps

[SV400Rob]

Probably done this topic to death tonight, so I'm off to bed.

Goodnight Peeps

Good call

[Frank]

No it doesn't matter to you because your not affected by it. It bothers me because I am affected by it. I just cant wait to get out of this backwards country.
why dont yoiu just wind your neck in,you are really starting to **** me off.
If you dont like this country then feel free to leave.In some other Euro countries you have no option but to ride restricted until you are 25.
All Im hearing at the momemt is BLAAAA BLAAAA BLAAAA and you throwing a childish strop.
Yes Im 40 and not been affected by the 33 bhp limit....BUT I was one of those that had a 250 on L plates that lost all its value over night because the 125 limit came in.:mad:

[noob-saibot]

What way have you guys got it over there?? Here in Ireland you pass your test and your then resticted to 33bhp for two years from the issue date of full license, whether your 21 or 57...
Same?

[Holdup]

What way have you guys got it over there?? Here in Ireland you pass your test and your then resticted to 33bhp for two years from the issue date of full license, whether your 21 or 57...
Same?


In England if your under 21 then you have to be restricted to 33bhp for 2 years but if your over 21 you can ride any thing.

I know this is off subject but this confused me on dvla site

Any size motorcycle with or without a sidecar 21*

* Age 21 if the rider passed the test for large motorcycles as part of the Direct Access scheme, or two years from the date of test pass if the rider passed the test on a standard A motorcycle (power output up to 25 kW (33 bhp) or a power to weight ratio not exceeding 0.16kW/kg.)

Does it mean when my 2 years are up on restriction i can ride any size? (ill be 19) or would i have to wait untill im 21?

[Frank]

Does it mean when my 2 years are up on restriction i can ride any size? (ill be 19) or would i have to wait untill im 21?

2 yrs means ...wohoooooooooo.
doesnt matter what age you are mate as long as the 2 yrs is up