View Full Version : Shame on anyone who didn't turn out to vote
lazymanc
10-06-09, 09:16 PM
I do believe that it happened, I wouldn't have voted for the BNP personally I would have voted UKIP. But a choice between Nick Clegg, Gordon Brown and David Cameron or Nick Griffin then I would have chose Nick Griffin. Between their parties policies I agree with more of Nick Griffins, Bring our troops back and treat them like humans instead of a name on a sheet.
What is your reasoning behind wanting to bring our troops back from Afghanistan?
While I agree we should better equip, pay and rest them, I believe we're doing an important job out there, and I would think most of the forces staged there would agree.
Lower taxes on fuel.Undoubtedly a popular policy but this has to be paid for somehow - did the BNP provide any explanation as to how they would make up the shortfall in fuel duty?
A clamp down on Illegal Immigration and making sure asylum seekers seek asylum in a country closer to their home land rather than here travelling half way accross the world to get here.What is so bad about someone wanting to make a better life for themselves here? If you're being persecuted in your home country because of your beliefs, then I'm extremely proud that I live in a nation where we'll give you a safe home.
I dont have a problem with some one just because theyre a different colour, I do have a problem with some one coming from a different country that doesent speak a word of English with no intention to learn, I dont have a problem with any one elses religion but I do have a problem with people thinking that we should have to adapt to suit their religion.While I agree with you in principal about learning English and respecting and abiding by our values and laws, I think most immigrants are willing to do so. The ones that aren't generally won't do too well.
I also think the whole "coming here to scrounge" aspect is vastly exaggerated. The massive majority of immigrants come here to work and earn a better living than they would in their birth nation. If they're paying taxes then I don't have a problem with that. The fact that you're born here shouldn't give you any more of a right to a particular job - it should be based completely on merit (so no positive discrimination either).
I don't have any stats to back this up, but my expectations would be that if you adjusted for population sizes of white people vs minorities in the UK (i.e. you took an equal sample of both), a significantly larger proportion of benfit claimants would be white. Obviously with no data it's little more than an opinion - anyone know where we can find statistics?
PS - I'd rather have Peter Griffin in charge than Nick Griffin.
BanditPat
10-06-09, 10:12 PM
What is your reasoning behind wanting to bring our troops back from Afghanistan?
While I agree we should better equip, pay and rest them, I believe we're doing an important job out there, and I would think most of the forces staged there would agree.
It was the USA's war, I'm fairly sure that there wouldnt have been the 7/7 bombings if We had stayed out
Undoubtedly a popular policy but this has to be paid for somehow - did the BNP provide any explanation as to how they would make up the shortfall in fuel duty?
Other countries manage, I was talking to a guy from Sweden and he was saying that petrol over there was 60p I don't know if he was lying or not but if he was telling the truth then it makes the already extortionate prices we pay for our petrol even worse. Raise taxes on fags and booze or even make cannabis legal and tax that (might not be too popular among some but I'm guessing its probably far safer than alcohol) and where does the money from 'safety camera's' go? my road tax? because the roads sure as hell are getting worse every time I go out
What is so bad about someone wanting to make a better life for themselves here? If you're being persecuted in your home country because of your beliefs, then I'm extremely proud that I live in a nation where we'll give you a safe home.
Why THIS country, were overpopulated and treated like second class citizens in our own country over asaylum seekers and immigrants. And if your coming here from some where your being persecuted then chances are you'll have travelled through alot of countries with decent living standards, but were a soft touch so thats why theyre coming here
While I agree with you in principal about learning English and respecting and abiding by our values and laws, I think most immigrants are willing to do so. The ones that aren't generally won't do too well.
Unless they end up living in a little community of like minded people then they have 'no need' to intergrate but as soon as they want to do something out of there little segregated community the tax payers are the ones paying for the translators etc
This bleeding heart liberal finds some of the comments on here downright scary. Oh for more enlightened times.
It is interesting to look at the number of votes the BNP got. They got a larger share of the vote, but a slightly lower number of total votes. It appears to me that they have a hardcore of support that they have managed to keep motivated to vote, rather than a swing of votes (other interpretations are available)
northwind
10-06-09, 11:52 PM
Other countries manage, I was talking to a guy from Sweden and he was saying that petrol over there was 60p I don't know if he was lying or not but if he was telling the truth then it makes the already extortionate prices we pay for our petrol even worse.
Awesome :D Sweden has one of the highest, if the highest rate of personal taxation in the world! Look at the big picture, their income tax is gigantic, their VAT is nearly twice ours.
lazymanc
11-06-09, 12:36 AM
Why THIS country, were overpopulated and treated like second class citizens in our own country over asaylum seekers and immigrants. And if your coming here from some where your being persecuted then chances are you'll have travelled through alot of countries with decent living standards, but were a soft touch so thats why theyre coming here
Do you have an example where you have been treated unequally to someone from a minority? I'm not saying I don't believe you, it's just that I hear this "second class citizens in our own country" line a fair bit and I don't really know where it comes from?
Official statistics (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jan/31/uk.conservatives1) say you are still 6 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police if you're a young black or Asian person. If that's not being a second class citizen I don't know what is?
Unless they end up living in a little community of like minded people then they have 'no need' to intergrate but as soon as they want to do something out of there little segregated community the tax payers are the ones paying for the translators etc
Is it really that much of a surprise that minorities tend to live in communities when historically they've been treated pretty terribly by the natives? Brits have done exactly the same thing in countries like Spain, it's a natural instinct to want a bit of familiarity around you when you're in a new place.
I do agree that the government shouldn't be funding translators for public services though. English lessons yes, but they shouldn't be enabling people to continue not to integrate.
Do you have an example where you have been treated unequally to someone from a minority? I'm not saying I don't believe you, it's just that I hear this "second class citizens in our own country" line a fair bit and I don't really know where it comes from?
Official statistics (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/jan/31/uk.conservatives1) say you are still 6 times more likely to be stopped and searched by the police if you're a young black or Asian person. If that's not being a second class citizen I don't know what is?
I'll give you an example of the first question you asked. My mother (English) suffers from severe arthritis and has born the brunt of what you appear to be doubting exists. She has had to wait months for operations, while she goes to a group thing (don't know exactly what it is, bit like a coffee morning / support group) every week where there's a Pakistani lady who has just had a plethera of operations with minimal waiting time. I'm not getting on my high horse, I'm just stating that the situation exists.
In respect of your second point, correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Police stop and search programmes geographically planned to target areas that are known for high activity levels of drugs, weapons etc? I'd be interested to see a comparison of this stat against the relevant figures for black, "asian" and "white" population of the area.
Owenski
11-06-09, 08:51 AM
I dont find it a coincidence that org members local to me have similar oppinions some with insite and some with intensity but I'd put a wager on the people who seem left'er simply live in places where this isnt a visable problem. Round here it is, I grew up in a nice area but moved out to not so nice area and the difference was a slap in the face. Maybe thats all this arguement lacks, some perspective.
SoulKiss
11-06-09, 09:01 AM
I dont find it a coincidence that org members local to me have similar oppinions some with insite and some with intensity but I'd put a wager on the people who seem left'er simply live in places where this isnt a visable problem. Round here it is, I grew up in a nice area but moved out to not so nice area and the difference was a slap in the face. Maybe thats all this arguement lacks, some perspective.
The main point is, while understanding your viewpoint, and those of people from your area, its still no excuse to put Nazi's in power.
I do however think that if they did some research they would regret what they did - but they only see the BNP as they portray themselves today, ie suited and booted, not in their old regalia of t-shirted and jackbooted........
Even Daimo was caught out by this if I read this thread properly
Owenski
11-06-09, 09:11 AM
Oh aye, SK dont get me wrong Im sure you've read my previous posts Im in no way a supporter of the BNP. I was just stating that there is obviusly something within the fact that it seems the Yorkshrie folk have a similar stance to each other.
I dont mean we're all Nazis *****s or anything but its odd how we seem to have been rubbed up at bit more than the other orgers.
SoulKiss
11-06-09, 09:27 AM
Oh aye, SK dont get me wrong Im sure you've read my previous posts Im in no way a supporter of the BNP. I was just stating that there is obviusly something within the fact that it seems the Yorkshrie folk have a similar stance to each other.
I dont mean we're all Nazis *****s or anything but its odd how we seem to have been rubbed up at bit more than the other orgers.
You do all seem to stand together against the world :)
My comment is on the fact that people didn't think for themselves in this, didnt do the research into what the BNP really is or what it stands for - I am not just talking about in Yorkshire either.
Owenski
11-06-09, 09:52 AM
You do all seem to stand together against the world :)
My comment is on the fact that people didn't think for themselves in this, didnt do the research into what the BNP really is or what it stands for - I am not just talking about in Yorkshire either.
Its because the world is against us :smt066 lol.
Your point is proberbly a fair one, and a point proved by a few on here who have said BNP have the outline of good policies but when you look a little closer you see the red white and black undertone. So with education you decide to move on an support a more suitable candidate.
SoulKiss
11-06-09, 10:06 AM
Its because the world is against us :smt066 lol.
Your point is proberbly a fair one, and a point proved by a few on here who have said BNP have the outline of good policies but when you look a little closer you see the red white and black undertone. So with education you decide to move on an support a more suitable candidate.
I have to say I am fully in sync with MANY of their policies especially on things that provide a drain on the resources of the country, or make it a worse place to live for those that were already here.
So while the BNP WOULD be the ideal party for me to vote for based on policy, their philosophy and history means I will never vote for them.
yorkie_chris
11-06-09, 12:23 PM
The reason I won't vote for them is it seems they can't do basic arithmetic.
But I see it as a good thing for them to have some representation. It's what democracy is about, and you never know, a couple of "evil nazis" might just put the $hits up the mainstream parties enough to address some of the issues that allow the BNP to gain power! After all, there is NOTHING that scares these slags more than the removal of their personal power and expenses...
I could have said "shame on you lot who didn't turn out" in 05 or whatever it was when labour got in again, but I didn't. Left wing lot on a high horse? Never!
The reason I won't vote for them is it seems they can't do basic arithmetic.
The reason I won't vote for them is that they are a bunch of racists.
MiniMatt
11-06-09, 12:35 PM
I've stayed away from this thread a bit. Perhaps I was a little forceful in attacking BNP values; I however make no apologies for verbally attacking their values when their supporters are happy with firebombing synagogues.
Ok, the BNP are violent racist thugs, we've covered that.
Second correction needed - a few posts have raised the "support for our troops" card. Let's put a stop to that one right there, the BNP are no friend to the armed forces whatsoever. Like I've already mentioned, Andrew Brons joined an organisation formed on, and commemorating, Hitler's birthday. Nick Griffin has in the past praised the Waffen SS and decried the RAF as mass murderers*
So for an organisation that spends so much of it's time praising Hitler and the Nazi movement, lets keep him as far away from defence policy as possible eh?
So is the country really in a mess because of immigrants? Really? Why do people believe that and don't believe that the reason is far more complicated and far more global than that? It's because immigrants are an easy minority scapegoat - it's no different to Mugabe blaming all of his country's ills on white farmers or Hitler blaming the country's ills on the Jews - from the outside it looks ridiculous that anyone could believe this tosh, from the inside people believe it. Make no mistake, we are inside this same scenario right now.
I'm not just drawing similarities, I'm saying they're the exact same thing: Mugabe, Griffin and Hitler (seeing as this thread has been declared Godwin exempt) use the exact same ploy. If we do not learn the lessons of history we're doomed to repeat it. History has repeated itself quite frequently in the last 70 short years. Hitler pointed the finger at the Jews and other minorities with brutal results. Mugabe pointed the finger at minority white farmers with brutal results. Griffin is pointing the finger at immigrants.
To those that say "it'll never happen here", it can and it will. Right here and right now is where we can stop that from happening.
* technically and begrudgingly I suppose there is a twisted logic to this - Dresden, when set against the horrors of war, still not perhaps our finest moment
Owenski
11-06-09, 12:45 PM
Just noticed your signature mini-matt, has it always shown those links or are they knew?
You like your politics dont ya :D what is it you do?
MiniMatt
11-06-09, 12:52 PM
Sig links have been there a while; put them there shortly after realising we go through the exact same arguments in Idle Banter once every few months and I can't be arsed typing up fresh verbage every time :D
Currently one of those dole scrounging scum everyone talks about (except I haven't actually signed on yet) hence the time to play angry liberal at every thread (don't mess with the angry liberals, we have a plentiful supply of free range organic dolphin friendly eggs). Let go from last job along with half the rest of the workforce thanks to this economy malarky.
yorkie_chris
11-06-09, 01:16 PM
I'm not just drawing similarities, I'm saying they're the exact same thing: Mugabe, Griffin and Hitler (seeing as this thread has been declared Godwin exempt) use the exact same ploy. If we do not learn the lessons of history we're doomed to repeat it. History has repeated itself quite frequently in the last 70 short years. Hitler pointed the finger at the Jews and other minorities with brutal results. Mugabe pointed the finger at minority white farmers with brutal results. Griffin is pointing the finger at immigrants.
You missed the bit about them also taking tactical advantage from a time of economic strife and anger towards established government. :-P
Owenski
11-06-09, 01:26 PM
Not one who's familiar with the termanology but libral would normally have you voting for?
The reason I won't vote for them is that they are a bunch of racists.
A word far too easily pushed and spread around by PC loving Labour supporters.........
MiniMatt
11-06-09, 03:26 PM
A word far too easily pushed and spread around by PC loving Labour supporters.........
You can accuse Ed of a lot of things ("lawyer" being one of the most damning :D ) but Labour supporter?
MiniMatt
11-06-09, 03:35 PM
Not one who's familiar with the termanology but libral would normally have you voting for?
Liberal doesn't necessarily direct your voting in one direction or the other. Without wanting to put words in his mouth, I think Ed would be happily classed as liberal and he's been fairly open about voting Conservative. I'd class myself and liberal and I've been fairly open about voting Lib Dem lately (in the past I'd have voted Labour). So whilst Ed and I have different positions on the Left v. Right debate we are largely aligned on Liberalism v. Authoritarianism.
Take a look at http://www.politicalcompass.org/ from which this pic was nicked:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/images/enParties.gif
EDIT: http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright is an extremely good page, so good I'm going to nick a paragraph or two:
Firstly, a few words about popular political terms.
Once you accept that left and right are merely measures of economic position, the "extreme right" refers to extremely liberal economics that may be practised by social authoritarians or social libertarians.
Similarly, the "extreme left" identifies a strong degree of state economic control, which may also be accompanied by liberal or authoritarian social policies.
It's muddled thinking to simply describe the likes of the British National Party as "extreme right". The truth is that on issues like health, transport, housing, protectionism and globalisation, their economics are left of Labour, let alone the Conservatives. It's in areas like police power, military power, school discipline, law and order, race and nationalism that the BNP's real extremism - as authoritarians - is clear.
This mirrors France's National Front. In running some local governments, they reinstated certain welfare measures which their Socialist predecessors had abandoned. Like similar authoritarian parties that have sprung up around Europe, they have come to be seen in some quarters as champions of the underdog, as long as the underdog isn't Black, Arab, gay or Jewish ! With mainstream Social Democratic parties adopting - reluctantly or enthusiastically - the new economic libertarian orthodoxy (neo-liberalism), much of their old economic baggage has been pinched by National Socialism. It's becoming the only sort of socialism on offer. Election debates between mainstream parties are increasingly about managerial competence rather than any clash of vision and economic direction.
In the United States, the voices of dissent over unfettered market forces (ie extreme right economics) are heard from social authoritarians like Pat Buchanan as well as social liberals like Ralph Nader.
As an example, take a look at the ground that the main English parties in the UK's 2003 local elections (May 1) occupied in reality. The difference between the BNP and the Greens in economics isn't great, but there's a huge gap on the social scale. Neither scale, however, reveals enormous distances between the Conservatives and New Labour.
a few posts have raised the "support for our troops" card. Let's put a stop to that one right there, the BNP are no friend to the armed forces whatsoever.
Agreed, they arn't, they wanted to pull the plug on all non UK based military sites. Bye bye Germany, bye bye Cyprus etc..
Like I've already mentioned, Andrew Brons joined an organisation formed on, and commemorating, Hitler's birthday. Nick Griffin has in the past praised the Waffen SS and decried the RAF as mass murderers*
TBH, as much as murderer, insane fruit job he was, he was a very very intelligent person, pushed forward human evolution (technology wise) forwards vastly. he crossed that genious/insanity line though.
Before the PC starts, im not a fan of Hitler, but anyone who knows about him will know he was a genious. His ideas were very good, he just chose to impose those ideas in the worst possible way, possibly in human history.
So is the country really in a mess because of immigrants? Really? Why do people believe that and don't believe that the reason is far more complicated and far more global than that? It's because immigrants are an easy minority scapegoat -
Short answer, No.
Another flawed policey.
"Deport all illegal immirgrants" (SUPPORT) "and also deport, but subsidise with money all legal immigrants"
SOO disagree with this. So many skilled non UK workers. UK people lazy. My GF recently hired a cleaning company who sent a Hungarian. This girl worked her ass off, sweating, worked very hard, didn't moan, was very polite and appreciative of a job on minimum wage.
UK peoplehave got it so easy, only a few would be as appreciative of the job (like the UK girl they got rid of previously who took the right p1ss)...
If people can't be assed to work, theres plenty of others who will, nationality should mean nothing, thats simply geographical, and its governments who define the segregation of countries. A human is a human, and has as much right to better themselves as any other.
Least they are working for it too. Unlike other countries who's governments screw them over, so need the rest of the world to help them out (Africa, prime example, no food, no healthcare, lots of bugs etc, but their "religion" prevents them from using contreception, so they carry on having 10 children, and wonder why so many die....... F-ing send them condoms FFS....).
Awaits the haters.
You can accuse Ed of a lot of things ("lawyer" being one of the most damning :D ) but Labour supporter?
Political correctness, health and saftey, all that gubbins, come under labour.... Depends how you review it really.
PC I have no time for, just because its forced. Proper up-bringings could resolve this....
H+S, don't even go there... If I want to walk to that cliff edge, I will, I won't stop because some toff in government decided to stick a sign there saying its bad for my health..
Im not saying anyone is anything, im just saying..........
Agreed, they arn't, they wanted to pull the plug on all non UK based military sites. Bye bye Germany, bye bye Cyprus etc..
TBH, as much as muderer, insane fruit job he was, he was a very very intelligent person, pushed forward human evolution (technology wise) forwards vastly. he crossed that genious/insanity line though.
Before the PC starts, im not a fan of Hitler, but anyone who knows about him will know he was a genious. His ideas were very good, he just chose to impose those ideas in the worst possible way, possibly in human history.
Short answer, No.
Another flawed policey.
"Deport all illegal immirgrants" (SUPPORT) "and also deport, but subsidise with money all legal immigrants"
SOO disagree with this. So many skilled non UK workers. UK people lazy. My GF recently hired a cleaning company who sent a Hungarian. This girl worked her ass off, sweating, worked very hard, didn't moan, was very polite and appreciative of a job on minimum wage.
UK peoplehave got it so easy, only a few would be as appreciative of the job (like the UK girl they got rid of previously who took the right p1ss)...
If people can't be assed to work, theres plenty of others who will, nationality should mean nothing, thats simply geographical, and its governments who define the segregation of countries. A human is a human, and has as much right to better themselves as any other.
Least they are working for it too. Unlike other countries who's governments screw them over, so need the rest of the world to help them out (Africa, prime example, no food, no healthcare, lots of bugs etc, but their "religion" prevents them from using contreception, so they carry on having 10 children, and wonder why so many die....... F-ing send them condoms FFS....).
Awaits the haters. i do think though that brit's get the ****ty end of the stick i doubt you'd get a immigrant to lift what i do at work if they did they'd be off claiming for back injuries before people put us brit's down there's alot of us who don't earn a lot and work ****ing hard for it.:)
i do think though that brit's get the ****ty end of the stick i doubt you'd get a immigrant to lift what i do at work if they did they'd be off claiming for back injuries before people put us brit's down there's alot of us who don't earn a lot and work ****ing hard for it.:)
True, but as a generalisation, as you cannot speak for everyone, Brits are lazy.
How do you know an immigrant won't lift what you do? Do any work with you? And if they do the same job, i'll bet they are being paid much less. Arn't you branding immirgrants with the same brush as I've just done about lazy UK people? How can you say they all claim?? We've got 3 Checz (?sp) programmers next door, not one of those are claiming. They have skills, and probably are paid less than a UK person is... As a company owner, who would you choose???
End of the day,if i OWNED a business, i'd take the harder worker, who's prepared to work for less money. No doubt the UK person wouldn't like this.
But, I think over the last 6 months that may of changed as more hard working people get laid off... but before the economy crashed, when peopel still had jobs.
Ah. Matt has replied already. Yep I am definitely liberal. And the older I get, the more liberal I become, mainly because of the abuses I see so often. But I vote Conservative, mainly because of their economic and fiscal policies. Social policy is entirely different.
Health and safety and equality issues are simply part of treating other people as you would like to be treated yourself - ie, with respect and dignity. I see nothing wrong with that.
True, but as a generalisation, as you cannot speak for everyone, Brits are lazy.
How do you know an immigrant won't lift what you do? Do any work with you? And if they do the same job, i'll bet they are being paid much less. Arn't you branding immirgrants with the same brush as I've just done about lazy UK people? How can you say they all claim?? We've got 3 Checz (?sp) programmers next door, not one of those are claiming. They have skills, and probably are paid less than a UK person is... As a company owner, who would you choose???
End of the day,if i OWNED a business, i'd take the harder worker, who's prepared to work for less money. No doubt the UK person wouldn't like this.
But, I think over the last 6 months that may of changed as more hard working people get laid off... but before the economy crashed, when peopel still had jobs.
i'm paid a tuppence and am on short hour's so i'm earning feck all and under constant threat of losing what little i have this is starting to get me worried and employer's would turn me away as i'm a brit.
i'm paid a tuppence and am on short hour's so i'm earning feck all and under constant threat of losing what little i have this is starting to get me worried and employer's would turn me away as i'm a brit.
Did you try as hard as you possibly could at school/college?? We have the resources.
Some of us do jobs we hate, but paid well. So try spending your life going every day to a job you dislike (majority of your life)... Its not all fun fun fun either...
We all choose our own direction in life. You could have chosen another career, done more training, and be earning a better wage.. Sorry if thats not the case, but as said, Brits just moan and take things for granted...
You HAVE a job, you ARE being paid, and in this economy, you should be gratefull, not moaning. If I was your boss and knew your were moaning, but that Polish guy over there is simply gratefull he has got a job, then who am I going to start thinking about getting rid of should I need to lay off staff? UK guy who's complaining, or the Polish guy who's probably earning even less money, but not complaining at all. See, UK, complainers.... Known throughout the world for it..
Ed, hence why I put the last line :)
you've slightly missed my point never once have i complained about my job to my boss often i go above the call of duty to help out.
zsv, the sort of discrimination you talk about is blatantly unlawful.
zsv, the sort of discrimination you talk about is blatantly unlawful.
and yet it still happen's the overqualified number is used a lot too something i have no idea how they figure that out but never mind.
Specialone
11-06-09, 04:56 PM
My biggest problem among others about migrant workers is the money they earn often goes out the country earning revenue for their own countries, dont care how you sugar coat things its a fact.
All the money going out of our economy is very bad and a lot worse than we all realise.
In response to the BNP debate (forgive me if i am repeating something as i couldnt be a**ed to read every page), Nick Griffins main point at present is the country is FULL.
I am not a racist, being worried about the country i am a citizen and the affect on immigration to it is not racism
We do not need any more people in from any Nationality, we have enough construction workers, nurses, doctors, vets etc etc etc.
Our country cannot sustain any more traffic, we have over-stretched resources, NHS, police etc etc
Cheap foreign labour does nothing apart from line the pockets of greedy companies out to make MORE money,
As an example, my best mates a plasterer who's work is up and down at present and was put in touch with a guy who had some contract work, he called this guy who was Russian and was told he was welcome to come and see him but majority of his workers were foreign.
The shocking thing is they were being paid £1.50 a square metre well below the average of around £5-6 a square metre.
My mate told me he would have to work his nuts off to do 50 metres a day and this was taxable as well.
So the foreign workers are being exploited and we are losing work as a nation while greedy companies are raking it in.
I could go on forever on this subject as there are a lot more con's than there are pro's when were talking about immigration, migrant workers, asylum seekers etc
you've slightly missed my point never once have i complained about my job to my boss often i go above the call of duty to help out.
Nahh and please don't take it personnally.
But if the business is getting by, carry on like you are, make sure the extra effort is being noted..
You will rise the ladder, eventually...
This has been a really interesting thread to read. I'm not going to comment on the political aspect, but as immigrant workers have been mentioned several times, I'll comment on that.
We've had several foreign workers at our place over the last 3-4 years. Hungarian, Russian, Somalian, Czech, Ukrainian, Polish and Portugese. Some have been good workers, some have been lazy and shiftless....just like British workers! We now only have three working there, all of whom have been there for a fair while. Two Polish lads, Seb and Arek, and Jose, who is from Portugal. All three work damned hard, none of them intend to go 'home', all have families here, all are integrating and I consider all three of them good colleagues and friends.
Sadly, it's looking as if there may have to be a couple of redundancies at our place if things don't improve, and I for one would much rather the three mentioned above were kept on than some of the lazy British lads we employ.
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